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    Re: Senate To Put Brakes On Clunkers

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
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    The GOP cannot stop ANYTHING the Dems want to do, the "Party of No" is a myth perpetuated by those that realize the Dem's aren't capable of accomplishing many of their signature "plans" and are looking to shift the blame.
    Hog wash. The "NO" party is destructive, uncreative and frankly backwards thinking. They have not had an original thought in years and when they attempt to come up with something, it is nothing but rewashed reused policies that got the US and world into the mess it is in now.
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    Re: Senate To Put Brakes On Clunkers

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    If the libbos listened to the Republicans, the US would have continued the failed right wing policies of the last decade and be in a far bigger hole than it is.
    Oh how quaint, someone thinking that GWB was right-wing!

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    Re: Senate To Put Brakes On Clunkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    It's not a tax cut when you didn't pay that much in taxes in the first place. It becomes a welfare handout with borrowed money that has to be paid back.
    What if the tax cut also is paid by borrowed money, as much of the Bush tax cuts was done with? Is that not welfare too then?
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    Re: Senate To Put Brakes On Clunkers

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hog wash.
    The fact that thre GOP cannot stop anything from passing thru Congress is a verifiable fact.

    Your describing it as 'hogwash' indicates a refusal to accept reality, instead choosing to cling to petty partisan bigotry.
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    Re: Senate To Put Brakes On Clunkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Oh how quaint, someone thinking that GWB was right-wing!
    Considering what party he was in, and how fast that party has disowned him after worshipping the ground he walked on for 8 years, then yes he is a right winger.. and it dont work that the very same Bush backers now use terms like "libertarian" to hide the fact that they support the same basic policies and ideas that got the US into the mess it is in.
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    Re: Senate To Put Brakes On Clunkers

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hog wash. The "NO" party is destructive, uncreative and frankly backwards thinking. They have not had an original thought in years and when they attempt to come up with something, it is nothing but rewashed reused policies that got the US and world into the mess it is in now.
    And all the, "original", thoughts of the SFC party are the worst things that ever happened to this country. They've doubled the unemployment rate and tripled our debt load. I would pefer they do no more thinking in the future.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Senate To Put Brakes On Clunkers

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Considering what party he was in, and how fast that party has disowned him after worshipping the ground he walked on for 8 years, then yes he is a right winger.
    This simply illustrates your political ignorance.
    Willful or otherwise.

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    Re: Senate To Put Brakes On Clunkers

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Having a "clunker" makes the assumption a fairly safe one. Such cars are high maintenance and are more likely to completely break down in that time frame.

    The point remains, bringing tomorrows sales into today does not increase total sales. It merely books the cash sooner.

    Stimulus would need to increase total sales. This does not increase total sales. There is ZERO evidence that it will increase total sales. Even in Germany, there is no evidence of that.
    ANY stimulus, tax break or programs like this, brings tomorrows sales into today that is the whole freaking point!

    We need the sales now, not in 2 to 3 years where hopefully the economy is back on its feet and a some what normal sales balance has been achieved. It is recession economics 101. The whole reason we are in a "recession" is because people stopped spending because of the lack of credit. People are scared and saving up money for the future because they are ... scared. This program, along with many others, is designed to give incentives for people to spend just a bit more and then a bit more and so on, and that way the economy will recover slowly. As long as people do not spend, and save up (the US savings rate has gone from 1% to 7+% in a year.. that is a HUGE jump) and pay of debt, then the economy will not recover.. it is basic economics.

    As for you German comment. Cash for clunkers in Germany, Denmark and other nations were designed to yes "stimulate" the car industry but in many cases it was more away to get old cars off the roads and get new more fuel efficient and safer cars on the road. European car buying habits are far far different than American..It is not unusual to have cars that are 10 years old easy and the average age of the European car park is quite high and would be higher if not for these programs.
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    Re: Senate To Put Brakes On Clunkers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And all the, "original", thoughts of the SFC party are the worst things that ever happened to this country. They've doubled the unemployment rate and tripled our debt load. I would pefer they do no more thinking in the future.
    LOL, considering that Obama has been 200 days in office, and unemployment is a lagging statistic, then your whole argument falls to the floor.

    As for the debt. When the "NO" party took absolute power in 2000, the US had a surplus. By the end of the "NO" party's power grab in 2008, that debt had gone from 5.7 trillion to 10.7 trillion. And you are claiming that, that debt is now.. 30 trillion? ... guess the official statistics dont agree with you.
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    Re: Senate To Put Brakes On Clunkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This simply illustrates your political ignorance.
    Willful or otherwise.
    No, it illustrates a group of people unwilling to own up to the fact that they failed and backed the wrong man. Instead they cast him out to the dogs, and attempt to "re brand" themselves as "true conservatives" and Bush as some kind of left wing lackey... frankly pathetic and not an uncommon move. The Germans did it after WW2 you know.. no one was associated with Nazi's at all in Germany if you asked the Germans at the time.. non at all.

    And no I aint calling the party of "NO" for Nazi's or Bush as Hitler. I am saying that it is a similar experience of denial that the party of "NO" is going through.
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