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Video: Oregon says no to chemotherapy, offers assisted suicide instead

Is there a reason you responded twice?

LMAO! Well, healthcare is being sold as a "right" by the government. So, either you provide everybody the equal right, or it cant be a right at all.

I don't think healthcare is a right, so what's your point?

2nd, if you condone rationing of care, how is that better quality care, which is also a staple of the government run health system.

Not that I'm a fan of it, but I don't think you understand the proposed system.

Perhaps you didnt watch the video? They sent her a letter telling her instead of paying for chemotherapy, they would most certainly pay for physician assisted death. I dont know how more blunt they have to be for you to understand that.

I don't know how much more blunt I have to be - this is no different from any situation today. Medicare will not cover a $2m/year treatment that would keep a comatose person alive. They will cover the cost of short term care and pulling the plug. Is that "killing"?

Just turn to Medicare and Medicaid as examples. Those stellar programs are running in the black arent they?

No, they're absolute ****. What's your point?

Um, what is the difference b/w deciding what healthcare you get and deciding what to pay for? If the government is gonna determine what it will pay for, then they are also determining what kind of healthcare you can get through them.

Do you not see how "what kind of healthcare you can get through them" is different from "what kind of healthcare you can get"?
 
Because the uninsured health needs of the 40 million Americans who are not insured are draining the resources needed by the rest of us. It would be much, much cheaper to have everyone enrolled in some plan. And despite your ridiculous assertions about government not running programs properly, Medicare and the VA are efficient systems which are much appreciated by those served by them.

Well false fact #1, is that there are not 40 million uninsured Americans. Why do you guys keep propagandizing that number?

Medicare isnt run efficiently. Nor is the VA. Medicare isnt even solvent for Christ's sake.
 
Is there a reason you responded twice?

Responded twice to what?



I don't think healthcare is a right, so what's your point?

It doesnt matter what you think, what matters is the left is selling healthcare as a right for all Americans to have. That was my point. Operating from that factual premise, the idea that that right will be rationed and tied to monetary funding doesnt make it a right at all.

Not that I'm a fan of it, but I don't think you understand the proposed system.

I understand it just fine, thanks.

I don't know how much more blunt I have to be - this is no different from any situation today. Medicare will not cover a $2m/year treatment that would keep a comatose person alive. They will cover the cost of short term care and pulling the plug. Is that "killing"?

Well if Medicare is no different then the quasi-private system we have, why do we bother to have it at all???

No, they're absolute ****. What's your point?

If you cant figure out my point, then I cant help you.
 
It doesnt matter what you think, what matters is the left is selling healthcare as a right for all Americans to have. That was my point. Operating from that factual premise, the idea that that right will be rationed and tied to monetary funding doesnt make it a right at all.

So you're arguing that healthcare shouldn't be a right, and are then saying that the dems proposals on this would not make healthcare a right?

I don't know what you're trying to argue here.

Well if Medicare is no different then the quasi-private system we have, why do we bother to have it at all???

What are you talking about?

The proposed system is not any different from Medicare which is not any different from private health insurance in that there is a cost-benefit analysis made in each situation that will occasionally result in denial of a treatment. The systems are further identical in that you are free to seek that treatment outside of the system if you wish.

The fact that those two things are the same doesn't mean that the systems are interchangeable.
 
Assisted suicide became legal in Oregon under the Bush Administraton....:lol:

Assisted suicide became legal in Oregon as the result of a statewide ballot proposition that the federal government had no jurisdiction over.
 
So you're arguing that healthcare shouldn't be a right,

Healthcare isn't a right.

and are then saying that the dems proposals on this would not make healthcare a right?

When the Democrats wreck the US economy to provided rationed services to some of the population, health care will still not be a right. It will, however, have become an immortal entitlement.

The proposed system is not any different from Medicare

Medicare is bankrupt, or will be soon.

So you want the same system that went bankrupt on the small scale to be imposed on the large scale so it can still be bankrupt.

The fact that those two things are the same doesn't mean that the systems are interchangeable.

They both won't work, so it doesn't really matter if they're interchangeable or not.
 
Because the uninsured health needs of the 40 million Americans who are not insured are draining the resources needed by the rest of us. It would be much, much cheaper to have everyone enrolled in some plan.

It would be even cheaper to tell doctors they don't have to treat people who can't pay.

Fairer, too.

And I haven't even addressed the ridiculousness of that 40,000,000 figure.

Next you'll be telling us there's only 12 million illegal invaders in this country, but 6 million homeless.

And despite your ridiculous assertions about government not running programs properly, Medicare and the VA are efficient systems which are much appreciated by those served by them.

Medicare is going bankrupt, and nobody "appreciates" it, just like the VA hospital system.
 
Healthcare isn't a right.

Thank god you're here to repeat what I said 10 posts ago. I had almost forgotten my stance on this until you reminded me.

When the Democrats wreck the US economy to provided rationed services to some of the population, health care will still not be a right. It will, however, have become an immortal entitlement.

Thank god you're here to repeat what I said 10 posts ago. I had almost forgotten my stance on this until you reminded me.

Medicare is bankrupt, or will be soon.

Thank god you're here to repeat what I said 10 posts ago. I had almost forgotten my stance on this until you reminded me.

So you want the same system that went bankrupt on the small scale to be imposed on the large scale so it can still be bankrupt.

If you read this thread and conclude that that's my position, then you are an absolute failure at reading comprehension.

They both won't work, so it doesn't really matter if they're interchangeable or not.

Thanks, this was very relevant and helpful.
 
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