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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    This would actually go a long way to making health insurance considerably cheaper. I work in North Carolina and Blue Cross/Blue Shield of NC basically has a monopoly on health insurance across the state because the state legislature outlaws people from buying insurance from other states and more or less installed BCBSNC as the primary insurance provider. The state also requires that all health insurance in the state covers over 40 different tests and other procedures that most people don't even need, thus adding to the cost. For instance, women are required to be covered for prostate screenings. I'm not making that up.

    A report was done a few months ago that showed people in North Carolina could purchase the exact same insurance coverages from states like Iowa and South Dakota at a cost of 60% less than what they are paying in North Carolina.

    Competition works, but the government outlawed it and then has the nerve to paint the insurance companies as the bad guys.
    BINGO! Couldnt have said it better.

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I hope it's a serious proposal, though. The GOP's behavior during the healthcare debate has put me off a bit. I'm glad that they're opposing the horrendous bills that are floating around (although the often hyperbolic opposition weakens their criticisms IMO), but the lack of a serious alternative made it clear to me that the GOP doesn't want reform, and that if they were in power they would not be attempting to change anything about the system. If the GOP can craft a plan that's in any way better than the left's plan there's plenty of people who desparately want reform who are looking for a decent plan to back. Public support is out there for the taking, and even if the bill itself fails it would be helpful to float some new ideas that can be incorporated into whatever bill eventually gets passed
    In all honesty, this is the GOP's big chance to seize back support, approval, and ultimately power.
    Instead they're running around like chickens with their heads cut off.


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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    In all honesty, this is the GOP's big chance to seize back support, approval, and ultimately power.
    Instead they're running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

    It's what they do best. They're a bunch of gutless wonders.

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Is the notion that those in need will always demand things to help them part of why the founders originally did not set up a direct voting process where every person of any race and sex could vote and their vote was directly relevant?

    Just playing devil's advocate here but...

    When you're poor, homeless, and can't get a job I'm sure you'll have a much different opinion about welfare and programs giving money and aid to these kind of people. Does that mean that's the best choice?

    When you're at war and severly undermanned you may feel like you would support a draft because its needed. Does that mean that's the best choice?

    If the country is at work and is losing because its severely undermanned you may not want to support a draft. Does that mean that's the best choice?

    When you're only making $40,000 dollars it seems perfectly acceptable for your opinion to be that those makintg $200k should be taxed 50%. Does that mean its right?

    Just because those in a position to benefit the most from a piece of law support it does not necessarily mean its correct, nor does it mean their opinion when not directly affected by the situation is invalid.
    I think this went straight over my head. I don't quite understand what you're trying to say.

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Yes, but we do not need a health care "reform" bill that amounts to little more than giving even more power and freedom to the health insurance industry-- which is one of the root causes of our healthcare problem-- any more than we need the abovementioned "lunatic liberal loser legislation".

    What we need is a far simpler, easier to comprehend version of the Democrats' bill in which major Republican suggestions, such as tort reform and malpractice insurance reform, are included. We need to understand that we cannot all have all of the medical services we want, that a medical error does not justify a life of luxury, that spending 85% of our total lifetime medical expenses in the last eighteen months of our lives is wasteful and ludicrous, and that even though a morally just and upright society values its elderly, healthcare for people who are paying taxes and raising children is more important than healthcare for retirees on government pension plans.

    This, of course, will never happen.
    Reasonably, the GOP or Democrats shouldn't even be discussing healthcare reform, at all. Insurance laws are the province of the states, and are written by state legislatures and overseen by commissioners appointed by the governor(I don't know how many times I have said this now). Issues like malpractice laws, tort reform, subsidized programs for the poor, basic preventative care, regulation of the insurance industry, etc..... can ALL be handled by states.

    But since the issue has now been presented as a national one, the GOP cannot politically afford to neglect it as they should. Even though doing nothing is exactly what they should be doing, it will be seen as maintaining the status quo, which is actually the fault of states for being negligent in their duties to their citizens.

    So stuck between a rock and a hard place, they have to offer up something palatable to the American public at large, if they want to gain politically.

    I think if they can give a plan, that actually will still allow people to keep their private plans, allow people to opt out of the public plan(that will have to be offered) at any time of their choosing after entering it, covers tort reform, regulates malpractice suits, and still allows for states to regulate the industries within their borders, they could make for a compelling case for an alternative healthcare provider that is not a gross overreaching of federal power over industry. One that is not concerned with getting everybody on the public plan, as the Democrats seem to be intent on, through the bankrupting of the insurance industry by removing its ability to cap policy limits, or charge higher rates for sicker patients. But rather one, that offers some base coverage for those that are unable or refuse to buy private plans. It doesn't have to be complex in size and scope.
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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    I think this went straight over my head. I don't quite understand what you're trying to say.
    What I'm saying is human nature makes most people more positive towards an idea that actually helps them, either in an emotional or tangible way. That doesn't necessarily mean its right, nor invalidates their thought about it.

    You tried to invalidate kori's statement by saying he may think differently when he's elderly and needing medical advise.

    That is as logically irrelevant as it would be to discredit someone whose wealthy and says the top earners in the country shouldn't shoulder 90% of the tax burden by going "Well, you'd think differently if you were poor".

    Just because someone may think differently and want differently in a different situation does not necessarily make their initial feelings/views wrong, nor does it disqualify them from making that determination.

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You tried to invalidate kori's statement by saying he may think differently when he's elderly and needing medical advise.
    Unless I misunderstood his statement, he was inferring that we shouldn't waste so much medical care on elderly people because they aren't contributing much to society at that point in life. Is that correct?

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    The House GOP is planning on introducing a health care bill, but in the article summary, I don't see a mention of how to pay for the proposed provisions, other than general reform and cost cutting will pay for it?. I also don't see mention of it being submitted to CBO for a score.

    I hope CBO will be scoring it, and to hear details about costs and paying for the bill.
    So did they ever release this bill?

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Reasonably, the GOP or Democrats shouldn't even be discussing healthcare reform, at all. ... Issues like malpractice laws, tort reform, subsidized programs for the poor, basic preventative care, regulation of the insurance industry, etc..... can ALL be handled by states.
    I really don't give a damn about States' rights and I don't think our nation would be better off with 50 different solutions to our healthcare problems-- especially since the insurance companies all operate in multiple States and would be more capable of manipulating State-level legislation in their favor. There is also the issue of simply withholding service to States that pass more stringent regulations, which is both a real possibility and a very effective bludgeon with which to press their agenda.

    I am perfectly comfortable with this issue being addressed at the Federal level.

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I really don't give a damn about States' rights and I don't think our nation would be better off with 50 different solutions to our healthcare problems-- especially since the insurance companies all operate in multiple States and would be more capable of manipulating State-level legislation in their favor. There is also the issue of simply withholding service to States that pass more stringent regulations, which is both a real possibility and a very effective bludgeon with which to press their agenda.

    I am perfectly comfortable with this issue being addressed at the Federal level.
    Well I am not. Different states have different population dynamics that requires specific planning on their part. What would work for New York, in regards to provided healthcare, might not work in Arizona and vice versa. You can see this with other federally operated programs like Medicare.

    Insurance companies being forced to set up offices in each state, due to the varying amounts of regulation, keeps them from really gaining clout. Imagine if they only had to deal with one bueracracy in Washington, instead of 50?

    Healthcare does not have to be provided on a national level. There are plenty of states that do offer affordable state plans, for poor people. Yet uninsured remain.
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