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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Stop skirting the issue.

    You don't need Republicans to pass your disaster of a bill. You just need more than 30 percent of Americans to support it.

    Democrats won't pass it because they know it's political suicide.

    Sorry, the GOP position on health care reform is the issue in this thread.

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Stop skirting the issue.

    You don't need Republicans to pass your disaster of a bill. You just need more than 30 percent of Americans to support it.

    Democrats won't pass it because they know it's political suicide.
    How is it political suicide when most of the country wants a strong public option?
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Sorry, the GOP position on health care reform is the issue in this thread.
    The GOP issue is they don't want a piece of non-reforming tax-increasing cost-increasing care-decreasing lunatic liberal loser legislation being foisted on the American taxpayer under the rubric of "health care reform."

    The American public's issue is they don't want a piece of non-reforming tax-increasing cost-increasing care-decreasing lunatic liberal loser legislation being foisted on them.

    The Anti-Republican's issue is they are salivating at the chance to foist a piece of non-reforming tax-increasing cost-increasing care-decreasing lunatic liberal loser legislation on the taxpayers whom they despise.

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    How is it political suicide when most of the country wants a strong public option?
    Gallup says that's not the case. A majority of Americans are not in favor of the health care legislation pending before Congress.

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The GOP issue is they don't want a piece of non-reforming tax-increasing cost-increasing care-decreasing lunatic liberal loser legislation being foisted on the American taxpayer under the rubric of "health care reform."
    Yes, but we do not need a health care "reform" bill that amounts to little more than giving even more power and freedom to the health insurance industry-- which is one of the root causes of our healthcare problem-- any more than we need the abovementioned "lunatic liberal loser legislation".

    What we need is a far simpler, easier to comprehend version of the Democrats' bill in which major Republican suggestions, such as tort reform and malpractice insurance reform, are included. We need to understand that we cannot all have all of the medical services we want, that a medical error does not justify a life of luxury, that spending 85% of our total lifetime medical expenses in the last eighteen months of our lives is wasteful and ludicrous, and that even though a morally just and upright society values its elderly, healthcare for people who are paying taxes and raising children is more important than healthcare for retirees on government pension plans.

    This, of course, will never happen.
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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Instead of focusing on regulating private insurers, the plan would in fact give them more freedom to work across state lines.
    This would actually go a long way to making health insurance considerably cheaper. I work in North Carolina and Blue Cross/Blue Shield of NC basically has a monopoly on health insurance across the state because the state legislature outlaws people from buying insurance from other states and more or less installed BCBSNC as the primary insurance provider. The state also requires that all health insurance in the state covers over 40 different tests and other procedures that most people don't even need, thus adding to the cost. For instance, women are required to be covered for prostate screenings. I'm not making that up.

    A report was done a few months ago that showed people in North Carolina could purchase the exact same insurance coverages from states like Iowa and South Dakota at a cost of 60% less than what they are paying in North Carolina.

    Competition works, but the government outlawed it and then has the nerve to paint the insurance companies as the bad guys.

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    that spending 85% of our total lifetime medical expenses in the last eighteen months of our lives is wasteful and ludicrous, and that even though a morally just and upright society values its elderly, healthcare for people who are paying taxes and raising children is more important than healthcare for retirees on government pension plans.

    This, of course, will never happen.
    Something tells me that when you're 89 and need a hip replacement because you're in constant pain but the government says that in all likelihood you won't live more than a couple of more years and deny you the operation you'll have a much different opinion.

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    Something tells me that when you're 89 and need a hip replacement because you're in constant pain but the government says that in all likelihood you won't live more than a couple of more years and deny you the operation you'll have a much different opinion.
    Is the notion that those in need will always demand things to help them part of why the founders originally did not set up a direct voting process where every person of any race and sex could vote and their vote was directly relevant?

    Just playing devil's advocate here but...

    When you're poor, homeless, and can't get a job I'm sure you'll have a much different opinion about welfare and programs giving money and aid to these kind of people. Does that mean that's the best choice?

    When you're at war and severly undermanned you may feel like you would support a draft because its needed. Does that mean that's the best choice?

    If the country is at work and is losing because its severely undermanned you may not want to support a draft. Does that mean that's the best choice?

    When you're only making $40,000 dollars it seems perfectly acceptable for your opinion to be that those makintg $200k should be taxed 50%. Does that mean its right?

    Just because those in a position to benefit the most from a piece of law support it does not necessarily mean its correct, nor does it mean their opinion when not directly affected by the situation is invalid.

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    If it is supported by merits and numbers, that would be impossible to do.
    Guess that is why Obama's tanked?

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    Re: House GOP is planning on releasing a health care bill tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Yes, but we do not need a health care "reform" bill that amounts to little more than giving even more power and freedom to the health insurance industry-- which is one of the root causes of our healthcare problem-- any more than we need the abovementioned "lunatic liberal loser legislation".

    What we need is a far simpler, easier to comprehend version of the Democrats' bill in which major Republican suggestions, such as tort reform and malpractice insurance reform, are included. We need to understand that we cannot all have all of the medical services we want, that a medical error does not justify a life of luxury, that spending 85% of our total lifetime medical expenses in the last eighteen months of our lives is wasteful and ludicrous, and that even though a morally just and upright society values its elderly, healthcare for people who are paying taxes and raising children is more important than healthcare for retirees on government pension plans.

    This, of course, will never happen.
    What we need is to not shift our health from insurance companies wants to the government's wants.

    Government needs to get out of the medical industry.

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