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    Re: CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity

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    No, that was taxation without representation issues. In other words, those people could not elect the people that passed the tea tax.
    Leading to excessive taxation, such as a specific tax on tea, what part of that don't you understand?
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    Re: CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    I hope so cuz those are worse.
    So let me get this straight. Although Diet Sodas do not contribute to the Obesity problem (You know, the subject of the thread and the reason for the extra taxation), you are for taxing it simply because it is bad in large amounts? Almost ANYTHING is bad in excess amounts. You can actually die from drinking to much water.

    I agree with the premise of most, that the government is not actually interested in getting people to lose weight, rather they are wanting to cash in on what fat people are going to drink anyway.

    How is that helping Obesity? Answer: It isn't.

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    Re: CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity

    Diet sodas are usually lodaded with aspartame which has not been tested for longterm effects on the body, though many advise against ingesting it. Your body stores it for years. Sugar is bad but I don't drink diet-anything.

    How hard is it to buy a juicer and make your own drinks. Fruit has sugar but they are natural, simply sugars which your body, in nature, is designed to breakdown. It's cheaper to make your own drinks too.

    Oh right... people are lazy.

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    Re: CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity

    For once I'll have to agree with SouthernDemocrat. His point mirrors one Celtic Lord has made, regarding the pricing of health insurance as it applies to employer "group" health benefits. People would likely excercise more personal responsibility if they saw their rates go up with their body fat%, because they would be judged on their individual health. This argument applies equally, if not better, against UHC.
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    Re: CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Instead of attempting all this social engineering with higher taxes on cigarettes, fast food, sodas and so on, why don't we just remove the barriers employer's, insurers, and for that matter medicare faces to actually pricing coverage based on the risks associated with ones life choices.

    For example, instead of taxing sodas more, why not just allow employers to charge obese employees more for their health coverage? Right now, you can be a 300 pound smoker and pay the same rate for your healthcare through your employer as a fit employee that exercises daily. In effect, your poor life choices are simply subsidized by them. The same is true with Medicare. If your overweight or a smoker, statistically your going to cost to the system far more in the future than a non-smoker and fit individual, so why not increase their payroll taxes to pay for the costs of their lifestyle choices rather than passing them on to others that made better life choices.

    It seems to me that makes a lot better sense and would be a lot more effective than all these social experiments in the form of "sin taxes" we have now are.
    Those people who like to bash people who are being labeled as detrimental to society for being over weight are he scape goats of the day. And being used to promote higher taxes that have nothing what ever to do with wanting to help anyone or anything but tax ans spend coffers and control over daily life. There is clear evidence that being too thin is also a hazard to your health they just haven't brought it up as a weapon yet.
    And employers are not now nor have they ever been charged more for heavy employees than those who are too skinny. many however these days do ask if you smoke. But just about never how much do you weigh. A;so remember that being obese allows you to be covered by the Americans with Disabilities Act.
    Poverty also contributes to being over weight because contrary to the lies many love to promote it does cost more to eat "right" than it does to to put affordable food on the table.
    Once again many are allowing themselves to be drawn away from the central issue which is to me using taxation as a weapon to attack freedom and cement more control by the NANNY state and would be Socialist government. There are sensible answers to all of the problems that we as a society and letting the government dictate your daily choices for you is not among them.

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    Re: CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity - Political Hotsheet - CBS News


    To paraphrase Betti Davis In All About Eve a (1950) movie. "Fasten your seatbelts it's going to be a bumpy ride."
    First we heard about the talk of taxes on elective plastic surgery and Botox and now something I predicted many years ago it coming to light. Taxing soda to ostensibly combat obesity. I don't believe it for one minute. I believe there is an all out push to gain more, and more control over the daily lives of
    Americans and use any means available to achieve that end.
    This will continue and reach into the grocery store and attempt to control through taxes at first your purchases of any item determined by the NANNY state mentality to be detrimental to your health. Fatty foods, those that contain nitrates such as Bacon & Wieners which re under attack already are going to serve as the tip of the iceberg.
    I can't tell you everything I believe or I run the risk of having this topic hidden as a conspiracy theory. All I am doing is reporting to the readers herein that taxes being used for more than just raising funds is a reality and is expanding for your own good because you cannot make intelligent decisions on your own.
    By paying attention to this expansion we only remain vigilante as we were told we must. As Sgt. Friday would say: Just the facts Ma'am.
    The idea that this soda tax will be used to curb obesity is laughable. All they want is extra tax payer money to fund their socialist medicine program. Charging an extra couple of cents per soda isn't going to deter anyone from buying soda because I do not know anyone who goes" Aw man if only I had two more cent I could have bought me this soda", If price is really that much an issue then they switch to generic brands just like poor people do on a regular basis.
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    Re: CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity

    My country is going down the ****ter.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Absolutely.

    We need cigerrette style taxes on:

    Anything with HFCS in it
    All red meats
    All shellfish
    All pastries
    Any food that is fried
    Any fruit juices including any additives
    Anything containing alcohol
    Any bread outside of 100% whole wheat
    Eggs
    Pork
    Coffee
    Actually go with any food containing additional sugar or contains any caffine.

    I mean, they all are bad for you in some way shape or form. Everything that isn't a vegetable (except for potatoes, we can tax those, they're extremely high stachy that leads to obesity) or a fruit should be taxed on a similar rate to cigerettes. I mean, its for your own good
    Don't forget some other fruits and veges too! Too many oranges are bad for you, and avocados are highly fattening. Corn is loaded with sugar too and too many hot peppers can cause gastro-intestinal problems. We'd also have to tax just plain sugar, flour, etc, because those things could be used to make fattening food, and god knows we can't have that. Whole milk is pretty fattening too, and butter, and cream. Ice cream would definitely have to be heavily taxed, as would all cheeses.

    Wow, you know, pretty much everything would have to be included in this ****ed up sin tax bull****. Which is, I'm sure, what they're vying for anyway. More taxes, more taxes, more taxes. Gotta love those ****ers!

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    Re: CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I fully support the tax.
    Of course you do. You so called "liberals" love to boast about how much you value everyone's rights, but the fact of the matter is you just want to control everyone and force them to live the way you think they should. You're no better than the extreme conservatives.

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    Re: CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Instead of attempting all this social engineering with higher taxes on cigarettes, fast food, sodas and so on, why don't we just remove the barriers employer's, insurers, and for that matter medicare faces to actually pricing coverage based on the risks associated with ones life choices.

    For example, instead of taxing sodas more, why not just allow employers to charge obese employees more for their health coverage? Right now, you can be a 300 pound smoker and pay the same rate for your healthcare through your employer as a fit employee that exercises daily. In effect, your poor life choices are simply subsidized by them. The same is true with Medicare. If your overweight or a smoker, statistically your going to cost to the system far more in the future than a non-smoker and fit individual, so why not increase their payroll taxes to pay for the costs of their lifestyle choices rather than passing them on to others that made better life choices.

    It seems to me that makes a lot better sense and would be a lot more effective than all these social experiments in the form of "sin taxes" we have now are.
    Your post only answers most of the problems if we didn't have government substized healthcare, as we have now. So... you are leaving out HUGE innefiencies in how since government healthcare is free, the unhealthy can not be penalized for their habbits without taxes if the government is supplying their healthcare.

    If we wanted a completely free market, then taxes to influence people's lives would make less sense, and you would be right.



    But you are not bring up how cigarettes need extra taxes in all situations because second hand smoke harms people who do not buy the product.

    There should only not be extra taxes on cigarettes if they couldn't harm others, but thats only if smoking was only legal inside of someone's own house away from others.

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    Re: CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity

    Will sugar free soda be taxed as well?
    It seems rather contradictory to tax a product with zero calories in order to "combat obesity".
    Hey, maybe diet soda will get cheaper, while the cost of regular soda goes up!
    If it's really about "combating obesity", that would be a great incentive program.
    Save me some money at the grocery store, too.

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