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    Re: Fox's Beck Calls Obama a Racist

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Racism is:


    Where did Obama say he didn't think reparations didn't do enough do you have that speech?


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTCNK7v3J6w"]YouTube - Obama's "Redistributive Justice:" 2001 NPR interview[/ame]


    Barack Obama, in 2001:

    You know, if you look at the victories and failures of the civil-rights movement, and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at a lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it, Iíd be okay, but the Supreme Court never entered into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society.

    And uh, to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren Court, it wasnít that radical. It didnít break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution ó at least as itís been interpreted, and Warren Court interpreted it in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: [It] says what the states canít do to you, says what the federal government canít do to you, but it doesnít say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.

    And that hasnít shifted, and one of the, I think, the tragedies of the civil-rights movement was because the civil-rights movement became so court-focused, uh, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change. And in some ways we still suffer from that.

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    Re: Fox's Beck Calls Obama a Racist

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    YouTube - Obama's "Redistributive Justice:" 2001 NPR interview


    Barack Obama, in 2001:

    You know, if you look at the victories and failures of the civil-rights movement, and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at a lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it, Iíd be okay, but the Supreme Court never entered into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society.

    And uh, to that extent, as radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren Court, it wasnít that radical. It didnít break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution ó at least as itís been interpreted, and Warren Court interpreted it in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: [It] says what the states canít do to you, says what the federal government canít do to you, but it doesnít say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.

    And that hasnít shifted, and one of the, I think, the tragedies of the civil-rights movement was because the civil-rights movement became so court-focused, uh, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change. And in some ways we still suffer from that.
    Okay so once again where did he mention that reparations weren't enough or was that just the way you interpreted it?

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    Re: Fox's Beck Calls Obama a Racist

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    1. why did obama throw his spiritual mentor under his bus?

    2. why did obama lie repeatedly to the american people about his knowledge of what was going on in that church?
    Okay so you won't answer my questions. Wright was becoming too controversial because his high profile. It's normal for politicians to let go of people who might damage the campaign.

    What specifically did Obama lie about?

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    Re: Fox's Beck Calls Obama a Racist

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Okay so once again where did he mention that reparations weren't enough or was that just the way you interpreted it?
    He said that the biggest failure of the Civil rights era was that it didn't address redistributive change and other commie-speak. The civil rights era was an era of reparative measures - reparations, agreed? he was simply claiming that the reparative measures of the civil rights era "weren't enough" because they didn't address the re-distribution of wealth. So yes, I think it's safe to say that Barack believes that the reparative measures of the civil rights era fell short.

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    Re: Fox's Beck Calls Obama a Racist

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    He said that the biggest failure of the Civil rights era was that it didn't address redistributive change and other commie-speak. The civil rights era was an era of reparative measures - reparations, agreed? he was simply claiming that the reparative measures of the civil rights era "weren't enough" because they didn't address the re-distribution of wealth. So yes, I think it's safe to say that Barack believes that the reparative measures of the civil rights era fell short.

    Commie-speak? Sounds like you've already made your own conclusions. The civil rights era had nothing to do with giving property and money to decedents of slavery which is what reparations are. Not reparations. Reparations are payment for past injustices perpetrated on them. The civil rights era was about undoing Jim Crow and creating equality established under the constitution. So yes in this case you're using the word reparations as its understood incorrectly. There's a difference between what you said and what he actually said

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    Re: Fox's Beck Calls Obama a Racist

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Commie-speak? Sounds like you've already made your own conclusions. The civil rights era had nothing to do with giving property and money to decedents of slavery which is what reparations are. Not reparations. Reparations are payment for past injustices perpetrated on them. The civil rights era was about undoing Jim Crow and creating equality established under the constitution. So yes in this case you're using the word reparations as its understood incorrectly. There's a difference between what you said and what he actually said

    That still doesn't change the fact that he believes that reparations (as you've defined above) should have been a natural extension of the Civil Rights era. If you take Barack's viewpoint the Civil Rights era and reparations should have been one in the same, it isn't a stretch to claim that the repairative measures taken ( if they aren't repairative what are they?) of the civil rights era "didn't do enough."

    Are you trying to use this as a way to illustrate that Obama is opposed to wealth re-distribution to blacks?

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    Re: Fox's Beck Calls Obama a Racist

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    That still doesn't change the fact that he believes that reparations (as you've defined above) should have been a natural extension of the Civil Rights era. If you take Barack's viewpoint the Civil Rights era and reparations should have been one in the same, it isn't a stretch to claim that the repairative measures taken ( if they aren't repairative what are they?) of the civil rights era "didn't do enough."

    Are you trying to use this as a way to illustrate that Obama is opposed to wealth re-distribution to blacks?
    No if he believed that he would have actually said it. Now you're putting words in his mouth. Yes it is a stretch.

    Until he says so himself regarding the current situation instead of in a historical context I'd say you don't have much of a case. Is this your way of somehow claiming Obama is a racist?

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    Re: Fox's Beck Calls Obama a Racist

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    No if he believed that he would have actually said it. Now you're putting words in his mouth. Yes it is a stretch.
    If you keep listening to the interview then man basically says that the Constitution is an obstacle blocking the way of social justice and redistributive change.

    Until he says so himself regarding the current situation instead of in a historical context I'd say you don't have much of a case.
    What was said in 2001 was the ideological nudity of Obama before he had to obscure his intentions for the sake of political expediency.

    Is this your way of somehow claiming Obama is a racist?
    No, it's my way of claiming that Obama is in favor of wealth-redistribution from society - to black people.
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    Re: Fox's Beck Calls Obama a Racist

    Isn't that hilarious!? The weeping pundit calls Obama a racist?! Where is he when people are passing out racist e-mails about Obama? nowhere. This guy is low class and frankly I have no idea why he is even on Fox for that matter.
    Racism when openly practiced by anyone in a position that would otherwise command respect is harmful to the office, to the Nation, and points out the ignorance shared by all racists and those who would defend them, and it calls all of their intelligence, and judgment into question.
    celticlord has presented clear and convincing evidence from the well known public records of the Racist in Chief Obama's obvious bias.
    celticlord said: Why is this news? Dear Leader has proven he's a racist many times over.

    * He proved it when he took up for the racist Jeremiah Wright.
    * He proved it when he threw his grandmother under the racism bus
    * He proved it when he appointed Eric "white people are cowards" Holder Attorney General
    * He proved it when he jumped to the conclusion that the Cambridge PD acted stupidly because they arrested his friend after his friend created a ruckus calling the cops racist for daring to investigate a possible break-in in his home.
    The only points he left out were the sudden inexplicable pass given to 3 Black Panthers who were about to be sentenced for interfering with white voters access to a polling place.
    The firing of a white I.G. for investigating a crooked Black Sacramento Black Mayor who contributed to Obama's campaign.

    I have little respect for Glenn Beck but sadly none at all for Obama.
    I did notice that suddenly people who are denying the truth and facts of Obama's racism on TV are saying how can he be a racist he's half white.
    What half white? When did that happen? Upto now all we ever heard was black this first black that. Now out of no where is this shocking revelation that because he's "half white" he can't be a racist. Are these people even thinking before they speak.
    Sgt. Crowley we know by inference according to the statements of both Prof. Gates and Obama is a racist for doing his job in the beginning because he's a white man dealing with a black man and we know that makes him a racist. But now a miracle has occurred and to be half white means you can't be racist but to be all white makes you racist automatically.
    Oh my God and we were here now to witness this miracle before our very eyes. I have to ask should we prepare ourselves for the next miracle in some special way or just sit back and wait see on the evening news how Obama was able to feed the hungry multitudes of the world with a couple loaves of bread and a few fish? Or wait for the video on You Tube of him crossing the English Channel on foot?

    Is Obama a racist? Sorry God, HELL yes!
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    Re: Fox's Beck Calls Obama a Racist

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Okay so you won't answer my questions. Wright was becoming too controversial because his high profile. It's normal for politicians to let go of people who might damage the campaign.

    What specifically did Obama lie about?
    So how does listening to a preacher meet any of those 3 clauses?

    His wife hates whitey? Explain this where has she shown a hatred for white people? When did she think America is a mean country? Again if she had that belief that America is a mean country how would it meet those three clauses above? How would it apply to Barack?

    Where did Obama say he didn't think reparations didn't do enough do you have that speech?

    Well why don't you tell us what the phrase social justice means since you've already made your conclusion?

    Do you have the link that was on the campaign website maybe a screen capture?


    are these the (9) questions you refer to?

    i never said obama was a racist, i said i don't know and i don't care

    i have no real interest in psychoanalyzing his wife, either, she said what she said, it's pretty self explanatory

    the reparations and social justice debates, likewise, are for, with or vs some other friends of ours, i believe, not me

    as for my 2 questions, why stab his mentor in the back, the man from whom he got the title for his first book, audacity of hope, the man about whom a couple weeks prior to politically assassinating him obama said---i could no more turn my back on him than i could abandon my community (part of which, presumably, includes his dear gramma, the typical white person):

    no, i strongly and respectfully must disagree with you, it is not "normal" to turn so viciously on someone who has been so close, very few pols have been so stupid as to put themselves in such a spot

    as for the lie obama repeated to the american people during the campaign over and over again, i'm surprised you must ask:

    he either knew exactly what was going on for 20 years in his GD church of chickens roosting, the one that supplied him with the title for his first book, audacity of hope

    or else he's a total idiot

    or both

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