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    Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill

    CNSNews.com - Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill--Unless They Have 2 Lawyers to Interpret It for Them
    During his speech at a National Press Club luncheon, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Democratic Congressman John Conyers (D-Mich.), questioned the point of lawmakers reading the health care bill.

    “I love these members, they get up and say, ‘Read the bill,’” said Conyers.

    “What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”
    Who needs to look at details? It's health care reform....Dear Leader said it was....Dear Leader says we need this....Dear Leader has already blessed this.

    How is this fitting behavior from a US Congressman? How can Congressmen promise what is and is not in the bill if they can't even read well enough to understand the bill?

    Why are the Anti-Republicans electing illiterates who cannot even read legislation to high office?

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    Re: Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill

    Maybe he's criticizing the bill for being overly complex. Maybe he's saying it's pointless to read the bill when nobody can understand all the legal jargon in it. Just my impression.

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    Re: Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Maybe he's criticizing the bill for being overly complex. Maybe he's saying it's pointless to read the bill when nobody can understand all the legal jargon in it. Just my impression.
    Why are the Anti-Republicans so eager to pass a bill into law that they freely admit they do not and cannot comprehend?

    Why are the Anti-Republicans claiming to speak with authority about a bill of which they freely acknowledge to know nothing?

    Why are their supporters encouraging them in this dereliction of their public duty and their Constitutional oath?

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    Re: Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill

    It seems to me they wish to pass this bill with no one getting a chance to oppose it. If they really didn't think anyone could understand it then they should have no problem letting anyone read it.
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    There is no point in reading the bill - it is too large and too complicated, just as Conyers stated. And that's exactly the problem. The legislature is falling victim to the bloat and inefficiency that every other corner of the government is

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Why are the Anti-Republicans so eager to pass a bill into law that they freely admit they do not and cannot comprehend?

    Why are the Anti-Republicans claiming to speak with authority about a bill of which they freely acknowledge to know nothing?

    Why are their supporters encouraging them in this dereliction of their public duty and their Constitutional oath?
    This is not a democrat or a republican problem. Attempting to paint it as such shows nothing except for your personal partisanship

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    Re: Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    This is not a democrat or a republican problem. Attempting to paint it as such shows nothing except for your personal partisanship
    As applies to the quality of legislation broadly I quite agree.

    As applies to HR3200 specifically, and to Conyers' comments, the promises and the advocacy are emanating from the Anti-Republicans. In other words, as regards the "reform" characteristics of HR3200, the Anti-Republicans are making claims they cannot possibly substantiate.

    As regards HR3200, from what I have read, including the CBO analyses, the Republicans' attacks are more fact-based and more accurate than the Anti-Republican defenses.

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    Re: Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill

    Looks like underlings are learning the benefits of responsibility division.
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    Re: Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    There is no point in reading the bill - it is too large and too complicated, just as Conyers stated. And that's exactly the problem. The legislature is falling victim to the bloat and inefficiency that every other corner of the government is



    This is not a democrat or a republican problem. Attempting to paint it as such shows nothing except for your personal partisanship

    If they didn't want to read bloated and complicated bills then they should refuse to vote for any bill that is too bloated and too complicated for them to read.After all they should know what they are voting for. They should demand that their colleagues quit writing bloated and legalese bills. It is their job to read the bills and know exactly what they are voting for. Seeing how a lot of these men are college educated they should have no problem reading it.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    CNSNews.com - Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill--Unless They Have 2 Lawyers to Interpret It for Them
    Who needs to look at details? It's health care reform....Dear Leader said it was....Dear Leader says we need this....Dear Leader has already blessed this.

    How is this fitting behavior from a US Congressman? How can Congressmen promise what is and is not in the bill if they can't even read well enough to understand the bill?

    Why are the Anti-Republicans electing illiterates who cannot even read legislation to high office?
    It probably won't even apply to Congress, so he can't be bothered to read it.

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    Re: Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If they didn't want to read bloated and complicated bills then they should refuse to vote for any bill that is too bloated and too complicated for them to read.After all they should know what they are voting for. They should demand that their colleagues quit writing bloated and legalese bills. It is their job to read the bills and know exactly what they are voting for. Seeing how a lot of these men are college educated they should have no problem reading it.
    It isn't two separate groups - one writing bloated bills and one voting on them. The members of congress are voting on bloated, unintelligible bills that they themselves wrote. It's the same problem that exists with earmarks - there is absolutely no incentive for congress to change its ways.

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