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    Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death

    Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death


    Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death - CBS News

    The girl died from undiagnosed diabetes on March 23, 2008, surrounded by people praying at the family's rural home in Weston in central Wisconsin. Someone called the emergency dispatcher when she stopped breathing.
    Oh look.... Diffinitive proof that prayer works.

    Seriously though, I can not fathom how the words "I believe" justify these actions. Why do we have to respect someones religion even if it kills, abuses, or "harms for life" their children?
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    It's become very apparent that there is nothing respectable about faith
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    Re: Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death

    That is child abuse imo
    I'd put the parents away


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    Re: Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death

    I'm a religious person myself but I totally agree those parents should be put away. God gave people the brains to develop things like medicine for a reason.

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    Re: Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death

    Charge them with first degree murder and give them the death penalty, then they can join their murdered child .. no wait, they would be going to hell.. well that would be good too.

    Bet they get a slap on the wrist though, if not totally get off.
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    Re: Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogger807 View Post
    Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death


    Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death - CBS News



    Oh look.... Diffinitive proof that prayer works.

    Seriously though, I can not fathom how the words "I believe" justify these actions. Why do we have to respect someones religion even if it kills, abuses, or "harms for life" their children?
    Well, you "believe" that you have rights and values, no?

    If I were an alien, from a distant culture, where there was no such concept, (imagine a hive culture for instance,) I'd probably find the concept irrational.

    But I dare say you'd cling to it, even if a case could be made that the world would be better off without you.

    We all have beliefs we hold to. Maybe one should consider showing a bit of repect for those of others.
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    Re: Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death

    Medical negligence is abuse. I could understand these people praying to God to heal their child if they were in the middle of nowhere and couldn't take their child to a doctor or if they took their child to a doctor and prayed to God to help the doctors heal their child or praying to God to heal your child if the doctors said they couldn't do anything. I do not think God is going to help you out for something you yourself are more than capable of getting accomplished,this is like praying to God to make you a sandwich when you already have the stuff in your fridge to make you a sandwich or you have money to buy you a sandwich or money to buy stuff to make a sandwich. Many Christians would view this as trying to test God seeing how this woman was very capable of taking her child to the hospital. Your right to religion does not trump the life of someone else,nor does it give you an excuse to abuse your child.


    If some guy wanted to use religion as an excuse to beat the **** out of his wife. I am sure many people who are sitting there saying that charging these people with murder,manslaughter or homicide is a violation of their 1st amendment right to religion wouldn't be saying that charging this man with assault and battery is a violation of his 1st amendment rights.
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    Re: Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Well, you "believe" that you have rights and values, no?

    If I were an alien, from a distant culture, where there was no such concept, (imagine a hive culture for instance,) I'd probably find the concept irrational.

    But I dare say you'd cling to it, even if a case could be made that the world would be better off without you.

    We all have beliefs we hold to. Maybe one should consider showing a bit of repect for those of others.
    I think there's a difference between showing respect for people's beliefs and allowing a girl to die from an easily treatable disease. All our rights end and the rights of others. You're free to practice and express your religion as you see fit so long as you don't infringe upon the rights of others in the process. This girl had the right to life, the same as anyone else. While there must be caution in these cases, we can't outright dismiss them either because religion happened to be involved. Diabetes is easily treatable, and the proper solution would have been to take this girl to the hospital. If she herself refused treatment, that's one thing (though it seems a lot like suicide which we seem to not like so much), but if this is the family actively preventing her from getting information and help which would have allowed her to live its a murder case.
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    Re: Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death

    Stuff like this makes me sad. This is almost as bad as the mother who starved her child because he refused to say "amen" at the dinner table. Then they stuffed his body into a suitcase full of moth balls and thought he would be resurrected.

    I guess my point is that stupid people plague this Earth. If you are using this instance to say that religion needs to be wiped from the Earth, then you just might be one of those stupid people. Ignorant individuals will do ignorant things even if you take their religion away.
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    Re: Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death

    Perhaps I should have elaborated.

    I condem the actions of the parents.

    But I also was put off by the tone of the OP, which seemd to show disdain for people holding beliefs other than the posters own.
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    Re: Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogger807 View Post
    Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death


    Trial Begins in Girl's Faith-Healing Death - CBS News



    Oh look.... Diffinitive proof that prayer works.

    Seriously though, I can not fathom how the words "I believe" justify these actions. Why do we have to respect someones religion even if it kills, abuses, or "harms for life" their children?



    Freedom is a bitch:



    1st Amendment:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.



    Though this is tatamount IMO to yelling "fire" in a theatre and over the line.



    And the op's religious bigorty is noted.
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