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Pelosi: Health bill is 'stimulus package'

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Pelosi: Health bill is 'stimulus package' - POLITICO Live - POLITICO.com

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said that the health care bill "is a stimulus package."

“I do think the health care bill is a stimulus package. I do believe the energy bill was, (with the) creation of new green jobs, a jump start,” Pelosi said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

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So everything the Anti-Republicans vomit forth is now a "stimulus package", regardless of how many jobs it destroys or debt it creates? If the government spends it, it must be stimulative?

Are their "ideas" really reduced to this?
 
Pelosi: Health bill is 'stimulus package' - POLITICO Live - POLITICO.com



:confused::confused:

So everything the Anti-Republicans vomit forth is now a "stimulus package", regardless of how many jobs it destroys or debt it creates? If the government spends it, it must be stimulative?

Are their "ideas" really reduced to this?

Americans want it..antiAmericans get to set on the sideline that they earned and watch and learn how to care for their country and not just care about their selfserving desires to regain power after losing everything for good reason.

A healthy work force across the board is what our country needs to apply any stimulus properly.
 
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Americans want it..antiAmericans get to set on the sideline that they earned and watch and learn how to care for their country and not just care about their selfserving desires to regain power after losing everything for good reason.
Setting aside for the moment that everything you just said is demonstrably false and utter balderdash, you do realize that none of what you said makes Queen Nancy's statements correct, or even grounded in reality.

The health insurance bill is not a stimulus bill, and it reeks of Anti-Republican desperation to force their government takeover of health insurance on an unwilling American public that she feels compelled to resort to such an asinine and demonstrably disprovable assertion.
 
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Setting aside for the moment that everything you just said is demonstrably false and utter balderdash, you do realize that none of what you said makes Queen Nancy's statements correct, or even grounded in reality.

The health insurance bill is not a stimulus bill, and it reeks of Anti-Republican desperation to force their government takeover of health insurance on an unwilling American public that she feels compelled to resort to such an asinine and demonstrably disprovable assertion.

Really? You talk about truth and reality?..log off. Get up off the thrown and go outside. The real truthful world is out there waiting for you..go see.

It won't hurt.

A healthy US population across the board is important to any economic stimulus that may be applied to help our ecomony.

Remember the economy the one that Bush and Cheney trashed?
 
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ROFLOL. This reminds me of the scene in Young Frankenstein where Frau Blücher is trying to offer YF an assortment of drinks, and he keeps turning down one choice after another until she blurts out "Ovaltine!"
 
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Really? You talk about truth and reality?..log off. Get up off the thrown and go outside. The real truthful world is out there waiting for you..go see.
I think you mean "throne"....do you ever proofread?

A healthy US population across the board is important
I feel fine.

to any economic stimulus that may be applied to help our ecomony.
"economy" (there's a delicious irony in the fact that you mangle the English language more than President Bush.)

Keeping this post within the topic of the thread, if that were the case the health insurance bill would make meaningful measures to encourage preventive medicine (rather like is found in the Republican alternative HR2520: The Patients' Choice Act), instead of subsidizing sickness, which is the model used in Taxachussetts in Commonwealth Care.

Remember the economy the Bush and Cheney trashed?
And Dear Leader rationing health insurance is going to bring on a golden age of prosperity? A pyrite prosperity--looks good at a distance, is worthless up close.

How apt that you would offer up a fool's-gold sort of argument.
 
ROFLOL. This reminds me of the scene in Young Frankenstein where Frau Blücher is trying to offer YF an assortment of drinks, and he keeps turning down one choice after another until she blurts out "Ovaltine!"
:rofl

Quite so....and Frankenstein's response was a decided "NOTHING!!!"

One hopes the American people will have a similar answer.
 
I think you mean "throne"....do you ever proofread?


I feel fine.


"economy" (there's a delicious irony in the fact that you mangle the English language more than President Bush.)

Keeping this post within the topic of the thread, if that were the case the health insurance bill would make meaningful measures to encourage preventive medicine (rather like is found in the Republican alternative HR2520: The Patients' Choice Act), instead of subsidizing sickness, which is the model used in Taxachussetts in Commonwealth Care.


And Dear Leader rationing health insurance is going to bring on a golden age of prosperity? A pyrite prosperity--looks good at a distance, is worthless up close.

How apt that you would offer up a fool's-gold sort of argument.

So were you willing to accept Bush and Cheney looking like lying warmongers from a distance and upclose they were worthless conmen looking only to serve their own party and not America. Their stimulus package was called Bush's "Surge". While making every attempt to hide the true cost of it from Americans.
 
Their stimulus package was called Bush's "Surge".
Is that why Dear Leader is replicating the surge strategy in Afghanistan, with the same players as were successful in Iraq?
 
Is that why Dear Leader is replicating the surge strategy in Afghanistan, with the same players as were successful in Iraq?

Bush and Cheney surged out of Afghanistan....Obama is surging troops in after Bush quit and ran off to avenge his daddy in Iraq...while knowingly not properly equipping and trashing our soldiers everystep of the way.
 
Americans want it..antiAmericans get to set on the sideline that they earned and watch and learn how to care for their country and not just care about their selfserving desires to regain power after losing everything for good reason.

A healthy work force across the board is what our country needs to apply any stimulus properly.

The Welfare Class wants it. Since when does the minority rule?
 
A healthy work force across the board is what our country needs to apply any stimulus properly.

The theory behind a stimulus is that it takes money away from people and distributes it in a less efficient way. If you call that stimulus, then this health bill is 100% stimulus.
 
Bush and Cheney surged out of Afghanistan....Obama is surging troops in after Bush quit and ran off to avenge his daddy in Iraq...while knowingly not properly equipping and trashing our soldiers everystep of the way.



Trashing our troops? Please, can you try not making things up? :roll:
 
The theory behind a stimulus is that it takes money away from people and distributes it in a less efficient way. If you call that stimulus, then this health bill is 100% stimulus.
After a fashion, I suppose you are right:

It stimulates job destruction

It stimulates income reduction

It stimulates health care cost inflation

It stimulates health insurance premium inflation

It stimulates reductions in the availability of care.

Wow....all that stimulus, and a cloistered government committee to dictate how you will be treated when you are ill to boot.
 
Americans want it..antiAmericans get to set on the sideline that they earned and watch and learn how to care for their country and not just care about their selfserving desires to regain power after losing everything for good reason.

A healthy work force across the board is what our country needs to apply any stimulus properly.

Americans want reform, but not what is currently being discussed.
 
I feel fine.

Goldendog, I think this line says it all. You speak of the broader workforce and the American people in general and the conservative looks only at him/herself. It's typical myopic individualism. There is no way to explain to them what it is like to care for others more than themselves and to try and make a more just society.
 
After a fashion, I suppose you are right:

It stimulates job destruction

It stimulates income reduction

It stimulates health care cost inflation

It stimulates health insurance premium inflation

It stimulates reductions in the availability of care.

Wow....all that stimulus, and a cloistered government committee to dictate how you will be treated when you are ill to boot.

I think what it's stimulating is hyperbolic reactionism and over the top misinformation by you.
 
Goldendog, I think this line says it all. You speak of the broader workforce and the American people in general and the conservative looks only at him/herself. It's typical myopic individualism. There is no way to explain to them what it is like to care for others more than themselves and to try and make a more just society.

You can try to make this a personal attack, but the real problem is that this plan is WORSE for society at large than our current system.
 
You can try to make this a personal attack, but the real problem is that this plan is WORSE for society at large than our current system.

Oh lord, you couldn't be more wrong. I suppose you are listening to the CBO and Lewin Group again. You go ahead and be mislead. All the rest of us will fight for what is best for this country and counter the misinformation of the right.
 
Oh lord, you couldn't be more wrong. I suppose you are listening to the CBO and Lewin Group again. You go ahead and be mislead. All the rest of us will fight for what is best for this country and counter the misinformation of the right.
You are claiming the Congressional Budget Office disseminates "misinformation of the right"?

You really want to run with that line of...."thought"?
 
You are claiming the Congressional Budget Office disseminates "misinformation of the right"?

You really want to run with that line of...."thought"?

Yes, I am. Here:

Paul A. London: CBO Is Wrong About Health Care Costs

The Congressional Budget Office made Republicans cheer on July 16 when it said that health care reform proposals will raise, not lower, costs. The CBO economists are wrong. In the 1970s and '80s, economists thought inflation in many industries was an immutable fact, as they think it is in health care today. Early in the Clinton Administration, they still thought inflation would come roaring back if Democratic programs brought unemployment to below six percent. Instead Clinton drove joblessness below four percent with no inflation. Since then the costs of many goods and services have continued to fall: Look at computers, flat panel TVs, telephone calls, the cost to ship goods, clothing, cars, appliances and housing if properly adjusted for quality improvements -- all are less expensive than they used to be. Products and services that at one time were available only to the well-to-do are now within the reach of almost every American household because costs have fallen.

Costs will fall if health care is reformed. Think about it. Wal-Mart's pharmacies in September 2006 began to offer a long list of generic drugs for $4 per month, 50 percent less than it had been charging before. Its competitors like Target and the Kroger grocery chains are copying Wal-Mart and more will be forced to do so. The costs of generic drugs are already coming down and they will come down further, eventually cutting health costs by tens of billions of dollars. Brand name drugs, unless they are very special, will have to be priced to compete with lower cost and effective generics. Medicare and Medicaid, doctors and insurance companies can promote and speed this process if they are pushed by reform to pay more attention to costs.

Computerization of medical records also will bring down health care costs sharply over time. Pharmacists waste hours every day calling doctors about scribbled prescriptions, costs that will come down as computers replace phone calls and faxes. Doctors still play "telephone tag," calling each other by phone -- 1920s technology -- that should have been largely replaced by computers two decades ago. Over 50 percent of the cost of medical research, I have been told, is in collecting and making sense out of paper records. Computerization of records will cut research costs enormously.

The health care supply chain for paper goods, cleaning supplies, masks, cuffs, and other common items is horrendously expensive. Reform that makes doctors, hospitals, and insurance companies compete for patients will increase pressure to cut costs in these areas, as was the case when competition was forced on the telephone industry.

So why is CBO so off the mark? Its economists look at patterns of numbers from the past and project them into the future. It is really anti-economics. The central insight of the great economists starting with Adam Smith is that competition creates a dynamic that break down the costly patterns of the past. Health insurance exchanges and computerized records will increase competition in health care and lower costs. That is what happened in other American industries when competition increased, and it will happen in health care.
 
Oh lord, you couldn't be more wrong. I suppose you are listening to the CBO and Lewin Group again. You go ahead and be mislead. All the rest of us will fight for what is best for this country and counter the misinformation of the right.

Can you actually debate with me instead of just going for these personal attacks? I know people like you love to portray the capitalists as greedy and evil, but believe me, it's more than practical.
 

Puppy dog, if you're going to say the CBO is a right-wing partisan hack you might want to do a wee bit more than just vomit up a convenient link arguing their estimates.

For one thing, London says the CBO is wrong, not partisan--he posits a structural defect in their analyses, not political bias.

For another thing, London's own take on health care is amatuerish--are you ever going to respond to my dissection of his essay?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...mas-misleading-medicine-2.html#post1058159729

(you ignored it in the other thread you regurgitated this bit of non-information, as well)
http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...oesnt-require-public-plan.html#post1058159742

So you fail on two counts:

  1. Paul London's article does not back up your claim that the CBO is a right-wing font of misinformation
  2. Paul London's analysis is more off base than the CBO's.
Back to you.....
 
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