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Did De Voss Lie to the Senate Hearing?

Helix said:
let's face it : it doesn't make sense to you because you don't want it to make sense. meanwhile, in reality, funding matters a lot when it comes to class sizes, technology, and pretty much everything else. so when you divert money away from public schools in order to give private schools an advantage for whatever reason, it has a pretty serious effect. and yeah, that's what's happening in a lot of places.
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Nothing you said changes the fact that money is allocated by # of students. Again, why would you fund a school for 1000 students if they only have 500? Further, we are in the top tier of spending for $/student.

You waved your hand at my points, as if that's enough to shoo them away, without actually addressing them. Again, seems to me more of an issue with money allocation than anything else.

This is reality.
 
TurtleDude said:
more massive taxation?
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Right now, there are tens of thousands of jobs unfilled because employers cannot find someone with the needed skill set. Some of these pay well. The are also tens of thousands of un and under employed people without those skill sets. How much is that costing our economy. And the longer an employer goes without the workforce the more likely he is to hire H1-B or move outside the country. The private sector isn't getting it done and the states and cities aren't either. (There are programs here and there) I don't care who does it. But it needs to get done and somehow we have to pay for it.
 
Renae said:
We know, you want Government controlling everything in our lives, education, healthcare, food, home size, car size...

I for one hope she gets in, she'll wreck the Dept of Education and that's a VERY good thing.
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Uh, no.
 
Renae said:
Uh yes. The Dept of Education needs to go away, educational decisions belong to the States, not the Federal Government.
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Lord help us all.
 
Fishking said:
Nothing you said changes the fact that money is allocated by # of students. Again, why would you fund a school for 1000 students if they only have 500? Further, we are in the top tier of spending for $/student.

You waved your hand at my points, as if that's enough to shoo them away, without actually addressing them. Again, seems to me more of an issue with money allocation than anything else.

This is reality.
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funds should not be cut to the point where class sizes are too high for likely success and resources are too few to prepare kids to be competitive in the 21st century. also, private schools are just that : not public. public schools should not be bled to death in order to prop up for-profit private schools.
 
Renae said:
Yeah, imagine that, a Federal system where the states have the upper hand in managing the ongoings in the states, MADNESS that is.
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I prefer a system where schools follow federal guidelines and not some crazed ideas in Alabama. But, hey---it's your funeral. The more you all **** up, the faster we throw you all out.
 
Helix said:
those who care that a minimal educational standard is being met in all localities.
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And why do you think that needs to be done at a national, rather than state, level?
 
Harshaw said:
And why do you think that needs to be done at a national, rather than state, level?
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Explains why certain states are so much dumber than others.

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randel said:
agreed, 100% needs to be kept as far away as possible...only reason she has even gotten this far is the money her family has donated to a multitude of republican fetishes
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Bet you were just fine with Meeechelle's school lunch diet plans.
 
calamity said:
I prefer a system where schools follow federal guidelines and not some crazed ideas in Alabama. But, hey---it's your funeral. The more you all **** up, the faster we throw you all out.
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Yes because the results of the last 30 years of Federal Education control have been just OH so swell.
 
Harshaw said:
And why do you think that needs to be done at a national, rather than state, level?
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oversight of educational standards, as well as ensuring that public schools in every state have the resources that they need in order to develop our national intellectual resource pool.
 
Renae said:
Migrants from the boarder for much of the south.
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That's what we say about our border with West Virginia, Indiana and Kentucky :)
 
American said:
Bet you were just fine with Meeechelle's school lunch diet plans.
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The quality of food in public school cafeterias has dramatically improved since the First Lady's Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act was passed.
When was the last time you had lunch in a public school?
 
RickJames3000 said:
The quality of food in public school cafeterias has dramatically improved since the First Lady's Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act was passed.
When was the last time you had lunch in a public school?
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Late 70's.
 
Helix said:
oversight of educational standards
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This doesn't answer why it needs to be done at the national level. It just repeats that it should be.

as well as ensuring that public schools in every state have the resources that they need in order to develop our national intellectual resource pool.
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"National intellectual resource pool?" That sounds awfully fascist.
 
trblmkr said:
Right now, there are tens of thousands of jobs unfilled because employers cannot find someone with the needed skill set. Some of these pay well. The are also tens of thousands of un and under employed people without those skill sets. How much is that costing our economy. And the longer an employer goes without the workforce the more likely he is to hire H1-B or move outside the country. The private sector isn't getting it done and the states and cities aren't either. (There are programs here and there) I don't care who does it. But it needs to get done and somehow we have to pay for it.
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sounds like we need more trade schools. that's a local issue not a federal one
 
JasperL said:
Record shares of income and wealth will do that. It's true even AFTER tax, so for you're whining you get the world's smallest violin.



Of course, because you're supposedly subject to it.

What's amazing to me is the success of the decades now PR campaign to get regular people to fight for the cause of trust fund babies. The estate tax is a tax break for anyone in the bottom roughly 99.9% of those who don't pay the tax but inherit any appreciated property. Plus it eliminates a ton of paperwork and record keeping.

It's really a great deal for most estates - get a step up in basis on 100% of the estate, but pay tax only only the taxable amount above $11 million, so an estate above maybe $15 million. For a lot of estates, that's a lot better than paying tax on the appreciated property when sold.
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envy sucks and what sucks more is pretending that envy is not what motivates these posts. if the estate tax is so great, everyone ought to pay it-in fact those who don't pay enough income taxes ought to be hit with the death tax-not those who already pay far more than their fair share of the income taxes

and by the way, many of those hit by the death tax are not holding on to appreciated property. stuff like art is taxed over and over and over again merely for a family to hold on to it

that sucks
 
Helix said:
i'm fine with the marginal rate system of taxation. i also don't really believe horror stories about the abused and overtaxed rich, though i also don't support taxing them at confiscatory rates. my opinion is that those at the top of the ladder holding a pretty heavy bag are better off when the base of that ladder is damned strong, though. like i said, i support a return to the marginal rates of the 1990s, with all income taxed as income above a cap.
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what do you mean by that last sentence. Obama jacked the rates on the top up to above what they were in the 90s
 
Fiddytree said:
Well hell, if you give it to the states to selectively enforce (like DeVos was saying before pleading ignorance about IDEA), none of them would follow their own damn state laws which barely preceeded the EHA, let alone anything that came after 1975.

Anyone who thinks states are the laboratories of democracy smokes crack.

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Whether one is against teachers unions or not, or whether or not one thinks that we should have vouchers for students in failing schools, you would think that any decent individual would agree that if the Federal Department of Education should do anything, it should ensure that any student with a disability has the opportunity to get an appropriate public education like any other child does.

The notion that you could just leave that up to individual districts is absurd. A large wealthy district might have the resources for it, but smaller and less wealthy districts would not and any kid with a disability in one of those districts would at minimum be at a significant disadvantage relative to other students.
 
RickJames3000 said:
The quality of food in public school cafeterias has dramatically improved since the First Lady's Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act was passed.
When was the last time you had lunch in a public school?
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Only a rapid partisan would actually bitch about schools serving slightly healthier lunches.
 
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