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35-Page Report Alleging Trump Was "Cultivated, Supported And Assisted" By Russia

ocean515 said:
As voters saw before November 8, the MSM is a corrupt enterprise. I shouldn't be surprised they would continue, but I am.

I actually thought they would follow what many of the media heads said after November 8, and refocus on legitimate, factual reporting.

Obviously I was wrong.
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they will continue to push their political agenda and you will see it reach a new level.
 
Chomsky said:
What goes around, comes around, and karma's a bitch.

If he didn't treat half the country with contempt, he wouldn't have this problem.
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he isn't the one that called half the country deplorable.
 
ludin said:
they will continue to push their political agenda and you will see it reach a new level.
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Agreed. Wishful, and perhaps naïve thinking on my part believed otherwise.

I guess with trillions at stake with the Globalist Progressive Machine, they have declared a propaganda war, and will do whatever they think is required to save their One World Order objectives.
 
American said:
I think we will find out soon that many liberal buying into this are the same liberals that claimed there was zero wrong doing by Hillary, even though Comey said she mishandled classified data. Even after the FBI proved there was classified data on her unsecured private server (not just alleged)............they still brayed on about NO WRONG DOING. Why? Because she wasn't convicted like a common criminal. Yet here we have lefties already believing wrong doing was done. Congress hasn't even looked at this yet. So apparently a conviction is only necessary for the Left, if it's one of their own.

Just ****ing WOW!
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...n-better-than-machiavelli.html#post1066752380

Looky here, it's already happening.
 
azgreg said:
No it doesn't. You can enter any country in the EU and make your way to the Czech Republic and only get a stamp for the country you entered in.
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But it has been verified he was with his son at USC during the time he was supposedly meeting with the Russians.
 
vesper said:
But it has been verified he was with his son at USC during the time he was supposedly meeting with the Russians.
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Oh I know. I was just stating that his passport missing a stamp doesn't prove anything.
 
ocean515 said:
As voters saw before November 8, the MSM is a corrupt enterprise. I shouldn't be surprised they would continue, but I am.

I actually thought they would follow what many of the media heads said after November 8, and refocus on legitimate, factual reporting.

Obviously I was wrong.
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The media pig is still the media pig. If anything they will dig in deeper and continue to embarrass themselves even further. We have reached a point where I see the letters CNN and stop reading. No sourced article, no opinion...nothing that comes out of that festering cesspool has any credibility.
 
Casper said:
Oh, I had forgotten about that, OMG that should be required watching, never seen a President or President have a total meltdown, ok just kidding, I am sure he will deal with it using the proper decorum and professionalism he has shown throughout the race for the WH.
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Yeah - the cable lead-in to the presser is the live Trump confirmation hearings, Tillerson is on the hotseat and getting hammered continuously on Russia. A gifted movie director couldn't have staged a more hostile scenario for Trump's big day.

[BTW - Tillerson is getting killed IMO, looking like a greedy Russian puppet. His pro-Russia efforts are voluminous and ominous sounding sounding in the context of today's news cycle.]
 
VanceMack said:
The media pig is still the media pig. If anything they will dig in deeper and continue to embarrass themselves even further. We have reached a point where I see the letters CNN and stop reading. No sourced article, no opinion...nothing that comes out of that festering cesspool has any credibility.
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I've reached the same point. It's really disappointing, and frankly, alarming.

I struggle to keep my mind from wandering into points in world history, where the press became a tool of forces and agendas that should never be repeated.
 
American said:
I think we will find out soon that many liberal buying into this are the same liberals that claimed there was zero wrong doing by Hillary, even though Comey said she mishandled classified data. Even after the FBI proved there was classified data on her unsecured private server (not just alleged)............they still brayed on about NO WRONG DOING. Why? Because she wasn't convicted like a common criminal. Yet here we have lefties already believing wrong doing was done. Congress hasn't even looked at this yet. So apparently a conviction is only necessary for the Left, if it's one of their own.

Just ****ing WOW!
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Why are you telling me this?
 
Chomsky said:
Yeah - the cable lead-in to the presser is the live Trump confirmation hearings, Tillerson is on the hotseat and getting hammered continuously on Russia. A gifted movie director couldn't have staged a more hostile scenario for Trump's big day.

[BTW - Tillerson is getting killed IMO, looking like a greedy Russian puppet. His pro-Russia efforts are voluminous and ominous sounding sounding in the context of today's news cycle.]
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There is no way in hell Tillerson should be confirmed. The guy has more red flags than a construction zone. Russia wants Tillerson. You have to wonder if there was collusion in Trump's appointing him.
 
azgreg said:
Oh I know. I was just stating that his passport missing a stamp doesn't prove anything.
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Yep. That happens all the time. Sometimes they stamp, sometimes they don't. But customs and TSA would have a record of his re-entry, stamp or no.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Why are you telling me this?
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Oh I don't know, maybe because of all the **** you predicted rightwingers would do over this far less substantiated circumstance.
 
VanceMack said:
The media pig is still the media pig. If anything they will dig in deeper and continue to embarrass themselves even further. We have reached a point where I see the letters CNN and stop reading. No sourced article, no opinion...nothing that comes out of that festering cesspool has any credibility.
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I suspect you stopped reading anything that challenged your own narrative years ago.
 
RickJames3000 said:
I suspect you stopped reading anything that challenged your own narrative years ago.
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Do you have anything substantive to offer in a discussion beyond personal attacks? Ever?
 
Beaudreaux said:
"A former" blah blah blah writes a report about "unverified, allegations" about blah blah blah ... .
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In that sentence you also just described the basis for every single conspiracy theory ever surrounding the Clintons. Yet the right wingers bought into every one of them.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
In that sentence you also just described the basis for every single conspiracy theory ever surrounding the Clintons. Yet the right wingers bought into every one of them.
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No. Not every one on the right. Not even close. I would feel confident saying not even a majority.

CT theories about the Clintons are idiotic as well. BUT...

No one accused Bill CLinton of TREASON, like they are doing with Donald Trump. (I still can't get used to even thinking about him being POTUS)

CT theories are just that, and if this story was about any other person, it would have already been moved to the CT subforum based solely off of the language in the report itself.

Is it possible? Who knows. I don't. Do you? Even the report says it contains "... includes specific, unverified and potentially unverifiable allegations ..." How can they be specific if they are unverified and potentially unverifiable? As I said in my first post in this thread, "if it turns out to be true, feces should be readied to be flung fiercely at the rotating air oscillator."

Let's be serious about facts, and stop chasing anti-Trump CT wet dreams. It can harm the country, not just Trump and the GOP.

It's a sad state of our press and culture when unverified and potentially unverifiable allegations that amount to TREASON by a President-Elect are reported and accepted as truth and fact.

This goes way beyond politics and the "well the right wing nutjobs did it too with Clinton" or "I hate Trump so I'll believe anything said about him that's bad."
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
In that sentence you also just described the basis for every single conspiracy theory ever surrounding the Clintons. Yet the right wingers bought into every one of them.
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So you are saying that the left falls for the same crap that the right falls for.
 
Beaudreaux said:
No. Not every one on the right. Not even close. I would feel confident saying not even a majority.

CT theories about the Clintons are idiotic as well. BUT...

No one accused Bill CLinton of TREASON, like they are doing with Donald Trump. (I still can't get used to even thinking about him being POTUS)
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Of course they did. They accused him of selling state secrets to China. They even accused him of selling plots at the national cemetery, of being a cocaine dealer, and a mass murder.

Is it reasonable to believe that Trump hired prostitutes and had them piss on him? Yes given the sleaze he has admitted to on video. Just the same,

1. I don't care if he did.

2. It takes more than some unsubstantiated report to convince me of it.
 
Fletch said:
So you are saying that the left falls for the same crap that the right falls for.
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Not really. It has become clear that the right these days falls for fake news and trolling much more readily than the left.

"Numerous reports have highlighted how fake news creators began targeting conservative readers after finding them more receptive to stories that reinforced their existing worldview. As one fake news creator told NPR, "We've tried to do [fake news with] liberals. It just has never worked, it never takes off. You'll get debunked within the first two comments and then the whole thing just kind of fizzles out."

A Buzzfeed analysis found that three main conservative Facebook pages were roughly twice as likely as three leading liberal Facebook pages to publish fake or misleading information...

Still, while the apparent one-sidedness of the fake news ecosystem is striking, some researchers of partisan psychology say it's not particularly surprising. A robust body of academic research has sprung up in the past decade or so, documenting the different ways conservatives and liberals process the world.

Psychologist John Jost of New York University is one of the pioneering researchers in this realm. In a forthcoming book chapter, Jost and some colleagues analyze decades of research on political psychology and find that a number of personality traits are strongly correlated with conservatism. One in particular -- a so-called "need for cognition" -- speaks to why fake news creators have found a receptive audience among conservatives....

In other words, liberals were slightly more predisposed to think critically than conservatives. As Stefan Pfattheicher of Ulm University put it in an email to me, conservatives "are less reflective in information processing, especially when information is consistent with [their] own worldviews."...

Pfattheicher also found that individuals who identified as more conservative were more likely to be duped by nonsense than liberals.

Both Pfattheicher and Jost say that any cognitive differences aren't necessarily about intelligence. "This seems to be more a matter of motivation to process information (or news) in a critical, reflective thinking style than the ability to do so," Pfattheicher said in an email.

In other words, in Pfattheicher's reading, conservatives may be perfectly able to do the kind of critical thinking and cognitive exploration that would lead them to be more skeptical of nonsense and fake news -- they just choose not to, preferring instead to seek out information that allows them to make quick decisions that reinforce their existing views...

"There are now 11 other studies that have obtained significant differences in the predicted direction: overall, liberals do tend to perform better than conservatives on measures of cognitive reflection," Jost said in an email.

The research into personality traits, combined with the reports on the rise of fake news within the conservative internet, suggests that there are measurable, objective differences in how liberals and conservatives view the world -- and that savvy snake oil salesmen can exploit those differences for money and recognition...

"If anything," Jost said, "these new reports [of fake partisan news] suggest that the asymmetry may be even greater in the 'real world' than what we have been seeing in the lab." "
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...to-fall-for-fake-news/?utm_term=.e34714abed6e
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Point being, regardless, he has ample fortune to not take a long hard job where half the country hates you.



That I agree with. though he wasn't much different in the 80's.




"forcing markets"? incorrect. evening the playing field... Reducing taxes to bring off shore money back. has nothing to do with accommodations as it does with not selling the American worker out.... you lefties used to champion the american working class. what happened? You really should understand my position before questioning my open markets positioning..

I'd be for no tariffs coming or going.





So, they are poor because they are lazy and stupid. Can't find a job because they are lazy and stupid..... You sound like a republican.





So you do that automation here. there are still jobs to be had, and support jobs in the communities for those jobs. apparently it can be done, or bmw wouldn't have built a plant in where is it? NC?
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He has 1.5 billion in debt, alot of it to people that have an interest in him being President, and a massive ego that tells him he's the best. He probably honestly believes his line of trickle down bs will help the economy.

He was less bigoted in the 80s...

No reducing taxes will not bring those jobs back, a plant that used to employ 1000 people and went overseas for cheap labor might come back if they didn't have to pay tariffs or taxes. But it's coming back automated and employing maybe 100 people. People with educations to run the machines. So GED Joe still won't be getting a job. Which means he has to incentivise employeeing actual people. Probably through subsidies, which means he's cutting revenue and using tax dollars to make people more lucrative than machines. But those people won't be in a good enough tax bracket to make up the difference. And if he's just cutting taxes to bring 100/1000 jobs back, what's the incentive to the economy? We'll have more rich people to funnel our money into offshore tax havens to dodge whatever tax code is left? We'll have more rich people making deposits that are then used to magically create new dollars through fractional reserve banking, thus inflating our dollar and making the little the bottom does make purchase even less? We need to reverse direction on trickle down, not go faster in the same direction. We've been trying it for over 30 years now. And so far it's done a **** job, and what gets me. The people who advocate for trickle down are the ones who campaign on bringing back the glory of the time before we had it. A case of creating a problem, so you can sell a solution.

The American worker needs to redefine itself, and holding onto past glory is just postponing and making the inevitable change more painful.

I am a republican, well what a republican used to be before Reagan came in and convinced Conservatism = Oligarchism. And I care nothing about the auto industry being here or elsewhere. In fact I think we shouldn't design our cities around cars, but around people and we should stop driving short distances. So the auto industry can wander off and die for all I care. We could use the resources they monopolize in much better ways.

I care about re educating the out of work people into new and better fields. But alot of them are like my Uncle Marvin, content to sit on unemployment til some no education job comes around he can work at til he can go back on unemployment. Screw that noise. Stop propping these people up, and they will shape up or die off. And no I don't really care which...
 
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I don't think the Russians had any appreciable impact on 'fixing' the election.

But I am starting to wonder if they have Trump in their back pocket...to at least some extent.

And not because of this report....but other things as well...not the least of which is Trump putting up Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State.

From Wikipedia:

'Ties with Russia

Tillerson with President Vladimir Putin of Russia, at the Kremlin, 2012
Tillerson has ties with President Vladimir Putin of Russia.[9] They have been associates since Tillerson represented Exxon's interests in Russia during President Boris Yeltsin's tenure.[21] John Hamre, the President and CEO of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, of which Tillerson is a board member, states that Tillerson "has had more interactive time with Vladimir Putin than probably any other American, with the exception of Dr. Henry Kissinger."[21]
Tillerson is a friend of Igor Sechin,[22] the leader of the Kremlin's Siloviki (security/military) faction,[23] who is "widely believed to be Russia's second-most powerful person" after President Putin.[24]
In 2011, on behalf of ExxonMobil, Tillerson signed an agreement with Russia for drilling in the Arctic that could be valued up to $300 billion.[25] The company began drilling in the Kara Sea in the Summer of 2014, and a round of sanctions against Russia introduced in September that year due to the Ukrainian crisis was to have brought the project to a halt in mid-September.[26][27][28] Nevertheless, the company was granted a reprieve that stretched the window to work until October 10, which enabled it to discover a major field with about 750 million barrels of new oil for Russia.[29]
In 2013, Tillerson was awarded the Order of Friendship by President Putin for contribution to developing cooperation in the energy sector.[30]
Tillerson has some shares in Russian technology company Yandex.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Tillerson#Ties_with_Russia

I do not know what Russia's influence on Trump is. But I am beginning to think there is something to the rumours that Russia has influence on Trump.


And once again, I despise both parties.
 
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