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Here Is The US Intel Report Accusing Putin Of Helping Trump Win The Election

KevinKohler said:
So you support throwing rocks?


And, by throwing rocks, I assume we meaning, retaliate in kind, escalating to a possible proxy war, or even, gasp....REAL war, with Russia?


Because...Russia exposed that Hillary was a lying, cheating scumbag, as was the DNC, at a politically critical time?
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Um I didnt say that I support throwing ricks. Graham is the one that said it not me.

And yea partisan hacks can only see the trivial **** and ignore all the grown up ****.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Trump is unstable.

Why are you talking to me about liberals? You are not making much sense. You're all over the place.
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I suppose even libs like you are entitled to your opinion.

But there is not much evidence to support that claim.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Let me be of some personal assistance to you, MR. As I said in another thread "liberal" is not a four letter word. Once you understand and accept that you might find it a bit easier to be objective.

All people who opposed Trump and all the people who are not looking forward to his presidency are not liberals. Sure, some are. Many who opposed Trump and many who are not looking forward to his presidency are Republicans, conservatives, Libertarians and Independents. You are doing yourself no favors when you assume everyone who doesn't feel as you do is a liberal. That is simply not correct.

Once you reach that understanding and acceptance then you might have the opportunity to ask yourself objectively why some conservatives and Republicans did not and do not support Trump.

Doing so does not mean that you will change your opinion of Trump but it should give you a more helpful perspective. Trump is not a deus ex machina sent by Jesus to save America. There never has been such a person in American politics.

For the record, I am an Independent. I do not belong to a political party. I don't need or want a political master. I prefer to think for myself and to vote according to my conscience. Partisanship has a great tendency to blind partisans.
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Most conservatives in washiington and the few in media belong to the establishment of which trump is not a part of

Trump threatens their high position within the republican party
 
FreedomFromAll said:
I hope the Trump supporters realize that the Republicans are going after Trump for treason. If you watch the senate hearing its all too obvious.
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With Trump, Putin has found an easily manipulated puppet, not a partner. Thus no evidence of treason.
 
KevinKohler said:
It's like this...try to follow the logic...

At first, the FBI couldn't find anything conclusive to even try to indict Hillary, due to the emails and whatnot being irretrievable, due to the damage to the hard drives. Couldn't even bring anyone in on unstructured of justice.

But now, all of a sudden, we can conclusively say that it was the Russian government that hacked those email servers.


LOL, wut?
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I deal with hacking attempts all the time. It's not difficult to trace their origin - particularly with brute force attacks, phishing, and DDoS.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
With Trump, Putin has found an easily manipulated puppet, not a partner. Thus no evidence of treason.
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There are some old school republicans who consider trump a traitor to the inside washington political machine that they are part of and he is not
 
Mac77 said:
There are some old school republicans who consider trump a traitor to the inside washington political machine that they are part of and he is not
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What does that have to do with anything? Putin wanted Trump because Trump is a walking personality disorder that can be easily manipulated simply by complementing him.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
What does that have to do with anything? Putin wanted Trump because Trump is a walking personality disorder that can be easily manipulated simply by complementing him.
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I suspect Putin is like so many US voters--he favored the lesser of two evils, still recognizing it to be an evil. It wasn't so much that he was FOR Trump, it was that he was very much indeed AGAINST Hitlery. She has a track record for deception and belligerence, Trump does not yet have such a track record.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I suspect Putin is like so many US voters--he favored the lesser of two evils, still recognizing it to be an evil. It wasn't so much that he was FOR Trump, it was that he was very much indeed AGAINST Hitlery. She has a track record for deception and belligerence, Trump does not yet have such a track record.
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Are you serious? Trump is quite literally a pathological liar. That is not an exaggeration either as he literally fits the clinical definition. Putin wanted Trump because he knew he is easily manipulated. It is as simple as that.
 
Captain Adverse said:
The one thing people seem to have forgotten, (or hope get's forgotten) in all this hoopla about Russia hacking to help Trump?

That Hillary used a private server system back when she was Secretary of State and the FBI report indicated that even though they did not find direct evidence of hacking of Hillary's server, it was highly likely foreign agencies hacked people she corresponded with while using them, and it was possible her system was hacked too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...26de2537a9d_story.html?utm_term=.f531d85ab2bf

I think this should remain a point of some concern since that would have entailed actual harmful spying attempts, as opposed to simple election influencing attempts via posting TRUE email hacks.
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The Russians did not write those incriminating emails perhaps if the dem's weren't so shady we would have gone another 10 years not knowing about Russian hacking .
 
Read the actual report. Very interesting.
Hopefully the Trump administration can weaken the ability of foreign nations to influence the US and his administration develops better cyber security protocols.
Shameful the incompetence up to this point.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Are you serious? Trump is quite literally a pathological liar. That is not an exaggeration either as he literally fits the clinical definition. Putin wanted Trump because he knew he is easily manipulated. It is as simple as that.
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You seem to know the workings of Putin's mind far better than I, for whatever reason. Maybe you're right about that.

As for pathological liars, Trump as POTUS will follow in a line of pathological liars occupying the White House. Meet the new boss, he's the same as the old boss? Obama told his share of lies, but I think the best of the pathological liars was Dubya & Dick.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Um I didnt say that I support throwing ricks. Graham is the one that said it not me.

And yea partisan hacks can only see the trivial **** and ignore all the grown up ****.
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I wasn't sure if you were pointing him out as in, look at this dumb ass....or, as in, support of him. Sorry.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I deal with hacking attempts all the time. It's not difficult to trace their origin - particularly with brute force attacks, phishing, and DDoS.
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Even when the hard drives are destroyed? I mean look, I'm not doubting that a person can determine where a hack has come from...otherwise, no hacker would be caught ever, and we know that's not the case.

My point is, the FBI claimed they couldn't retrieve ANYTHING from those drives.


Except evidence of Russian government sanctioned hacking.
 
Mac77 said:
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Proof is not possible

There are no fingerprints or dna samples left behind by the hackers

Either you believe the intel flunkies working for obama or you dont
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Incorrect. There are always "footprints" left by hackers. Which is why if they had it they would have actually released it.
 
Captain Adverse said:
The one thing people seem to have forgotten, (or hope get's forgotten) in all this hoopla about Russia hacking to help Trump?

That Hillary used a private server system back when she was Secretary of State and the FBI report indicated that even though they did not find direct evidence of hacking of Hillary's server, it was highly likely foreign agencies hacked people she corresponded with while using them, and it was possible her system was hacked too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...26de2537a9d_story.html?utm_term=.f531d85ab2bf

I think this should remain a point of some concern since that would have entailed actual harmful spying attempts, as opposed to simple election influencing attempts via posting TRUE email hacks.
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And nothing came of it. Because there was no there there.

Now, Trump DID tell us last week, that he knew things about [the hacking] that others didn't and that we would know on Tuesday or Wednesday. Tuesday or Wednesday came and went, and now Trump believes that the Russians did it. So he completely backed up on all of his nonsense.

So, that's the topic: what about the topic?
 
KevinKohler said:
I wasn't sure if you were pointing him out as in, look at this dumb ass....or, as in, support of him. Sorry.
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I was pointing out the Republicans are drawing a line on the Russia hacks and warning Trump not to cross that line anymore. Politically they have Trump by the balls.
 
KevinKohler said:
Even when the hard drives are destroyed? I mean look, I'm not doubting that a person can determine where a hack has come from...otherwise, no hacker would be caught ever, and we know that's not the case.

My point is, the FBI claimed they couldn't retrieve ANYTHING from those drives.


Except evidence of Russian government sanctioned hacking.
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You don't need the drives. You could determine the attacks origin so long as there was a syslog server in place for network devices anywhere upstream of the server.
 
DA60 said:
'The farce is complete.
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Here Is The US Intel Report Accusing Putin Of Helping Trump Win The Election By "Discrediting" Hillary Clinton | Zero Hedge
Thoughts?
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Yes YOUR Obsessive reliance on alt-Doom 'Zero Hedge' Farce is absurd.
Zero Hedge and "Thoughts". SIX in a row.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

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More in link.
slash/trash
 
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Obama has completely corrupted and politicized the intelligence agencies

Trump will have to do a through house cleaning after he takes office
 
DA60 said:

One week after a joint FBI/DHS report was released, supposedly meant to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Russia intervened in the US presidential election, and thus served as a diplomatic basis for Obama's expulsion of 35 diplomats, yet which merely confirmed that a Ukrainian piece of malware which could be purchased by anyone, was responsible for spoofing various email accounts including that of the DNC and John Podesta, moments ago US intelligence agencies released a more "authoritative", 25-page report, titled "Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections", and which not surprisingly only serves to validate the media narrative, by concluding that Russian President Vladimir Putin 'ordered' an effort to influence U.S. presidential election.
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That's the longest sentence I've ever seen on this forum.
 
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