Donald Trump risks China rift with Taiwan call

yankintx said:

Why you asking ne? Ask Cry Baby

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Why were you responding to me?

Jetboogieman said:

Alright lets press on, since Iraq wasn't really a winner for you there, how did Obama fail in the Philippines?

I'm really curious to hear this one.

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Hey, remember this debate you were getting your ass handed to you on? So far only Iraq and the Phillippines, we got lots of O bomb a failure on the world stage left to go. Whole long list... and I didn't even put Israel or Russia on my original list.

So, cannot figure your way out of O bomb a, when he himself said so, receiving Iraq in a stable situation nor the hypocrisy of the O bomb a administration criticizing the Duterte for extrajudicial killings when he, O bomb a, has been authorizing the same kind of thing except in other countries, eh? Don't know how his admin screwed up in Honduras, or made that crazy bad Iran deal, I mean we got a long haul ahead of us...

Or, I guess you are just conceding the rest. Cool.

Gaugingcatenate said:

Hey, remember this debate you were getting your ass handed to you on? So far only Iraq and the Phillippines, we got lots of O bomb a failure on the world stage left to go. Whole long list... and I didn't even put Israel or Russia on my original list.

So, cannot figure your way out of O bomb a, when he himself said so, receiving Iraq in a stable situation nor the hypocrisy of the O bomb a administration criticizing the Duterte for extrajudicial killings when he, O bomb a, has been authorizing the same kind of thing except in other countries, eh? Don't know how his admin screwed up in Honduras, or made that crazy bad Iran deal, I mean we got a long haul ahead of us...

Or, I guess you are just conceding the rest. Cool.

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I don't have time to debate people who revel in their fundamental rejection of reality, Iraq is one thing, we're just re-hashing the exact same arguments that were had years ago so that's cool.

But with Duterte, the guy is clearly unhinged and a maniac and you blame Obama for Dutertes erratic and self defeating behavior because the US represents an ally against Chinese aggression and he's going to them because he's nuts.

Praxas said:

Yep, keep that cheerleading going all you want. When the real colors of the GOP and the Pumpkinfuhrer are shown, you guys will fall flat on your faces especially since you can't blame anyone anymore. No more hiding behind Dems when you guys fail.

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Amazing how Bannon and his minions believe the razor thin win was some kind of mandate for the next 50 years, a very short sighted opinion, Cry Baby will more than likely over reach his first 2 years, with the GOP getting smacked down in the midterms.

There's more to come than a mere phone call. It's expected that next year for instance ships of the Taiwan Navy will make port calls at U.S. bases in the Pacific, such as Guam, Wake Island, Hawaii, which would be unprecedented.


Congress seeks to strengthen U.S.-Taiwan military alliance as China asserts power


Both the House and Senate defense bills contain language that would elevate Taiwan from a second-class to a first-class ally. The 1979 Taiwan Relations Act is the law that requires the U.S. to come to Taiwan’s defense with arms and “services,” which analysts interpret as a requirement to fight China.

“Our defense policies with respect to Taiwan are over 37 years old,” said Claude Chafin, communications director for the House Armed Services Committee. “There have been significant developments in the Asia-Pacific landscape since the Taiwan Relations Act passed in 1979. The time is ripe to re-look at those policies, to encourage greater security cooperation and engagement with Taiwan’s military in areas of mutual security interest, and to continue to meet our commitment to enabling Taiwan maintains a sufficient self-defense capability.”

Congress seeks to strengthen U.S.-Taiwan military alliance amid China aggression - Washington Times


CCP Dictators in Beijing still don't quite know what to make of Trump and all of the radical initiatives Trump and his expert and aggressive China-Taiwan advisers have begun.

While some CCP's want to move PLA troops around across from Taiwan in Fujian province, CCP has settled for the moment on sending a couple of unarmed nuclear capable bombers to drift around outside of the Taiwan Air Defense Identification Zone.

Hell, what's an ADIZ for if not to fly through it in open defiance? CCP Boyz in Beijing won't even do that at this admittedly early point.

Indeed, U.S., Japan, South Korea fly regularly through the ADIZ Beijing suddenly and surprise announced in 2013 over part of the East Sea to make the Beijing ADIZ into aerial swiss cheese. CCP still won't take a big step such as to violate the Taiwan ADIZ. No more cheese for CCP in Beijing I guess.

Tangmo said:

There's more to come than a mere phone call. It's expected that next year for instance ships of the Taiwan Navy will make port calls at U.S. bases in the Pacific, such as Guam, Wake Island, Hawaii, which would be unprecedented.


Congress seeks to strengthen U.S.-Taiwan military alliance as China asserts power


Both the House and Senate defense bills contain language that would elevate Taiwan from a second-class to a first-class ally. The 1979 Taiwan Relations Act is the law that requires the U.S. to come to Taiwan’s defense with arms and “services,” which analysts interpret as a requirement to fight China.

“Our defense policies with respect to Taiwan are over 37 years old,” said Claude Chafin, communications director for the House Armed Services Committee. “There have been significant developments in the Asia-Pacific landscape since the Taiwan Relations Act passed in 1979. The time is ripe to re-look at those policies, to encourage greater security cooperation and engagement with Taiwan’s military in areas of mutual security interest, and to continue to meet our commitment to enabling Taiwan maintains a sufficient self-defense capability.”

Congress seeks to strengthen U.S.-Taiwan military alliance amid China aggression - Washington Times


CCP Dictators in Beijing still don't quite know what to make of Trump and all of the radical initiatives Trump and his expert and aggressive China-Taiwan advisers have begun.

While some CCP's want to move PLA troops around across from Taiwan in Fujian province, CCP has settled for the moment on sending a couple of unarmed nuclear capable bombers to drift around outside of the Taiwan Air Defense Identification Zone.

Hell, what's an ADIZ for if not to fly through it in open defiance? CCP Boyz in Beijing won't even do that at this admittedly early point.

Indeed, U.S., Japan, South Korea fly regularly through the ADIZ Beijing suddenly and surprise announced in 2013 over part of the East Sea to make the Beijing ADIZ into aerial swiss cheese. CCP still won't take a big step such as to violate the Taiwan ADIZ. No more cheese for CCP in Beijing I guess.

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Trump et al are just continuing a long term trend.

U.S.-China relationsBy John Pomfret

MYTH NO. 2
Trump’s Taiwan phone call threatened the status quo.
When Trump took Taiwan’s call, the U.S. foreign policy establishment had a minor nervous breakdown. Vox warned of “disarray ” in U.S.-China relations. New York magazine raised the specter of a “diplomatic disaster.”
Let’s take a deep breath and realize that the “status quo” between Taiwan and the United States has been evolving for decades. In exchange for Chinese promises to help ease the United States out of Vietnam and counter the Soviet Union, officials from the Nixon and Carter administrations promised China that America would walk away from Taiwan, allowing China to absorb the island of 23 million people, which Beijing views as a renegade province.

Since then, however, especially as U.S. presidents have come to understand that China’s political system has not moved in a positive direction, successive administrations have worked to better ties with Taiwan. Weapons sales to the island remain robust despite a promise to China in 1982 to slow them. Diplomatic contact has been upgraded. Washington now supports granting Taiwan observer status at a variety of international organizations. Most Taiwanese can come to the United States without a visa. In that sense, Trump’s call was a logical continuation of a slowly evolving process of improved relations. The big concern, however, is that China will use the call as an excuse to further bully Taiwan and that Trump will stand by.

Jack Hays said:

Trump et al are just continuing a long term trend.

U.S.-China relationsBy John Pomfret

MYTH NO. 2
Trump’s Taiwan phone call threatened the status quo.
When Trump took Taiwan’s call, the U.S. foreign policy establishment had a minor nervous breakdown. Vox warned of “disarray ” in U.S.-China relations. New York magazine raised the specter of a “diplomatic disaster.”
Let’s take a deep breath and realize that the “status quo” between Taiwan and the United States has been evolving for decades. In exchange for Chinese promises to help ease the United States out of Vietnam and counter the Soviet Union, officials from the Nixon and Carter administrations promised China that America would walk away from Taiwan, allowing China to absorb the island of 23 million people, which Beijing views as a renegade province.

Since then, however, especially as U.S. presidents have come to understand that China’s political system has not moved in a positive direction, successive administrations have worked to better ties with Taiwan. Weapons sales to the island remain robust despite a promise to China in 1982 to slow them. Diplomatic contact has been upgraded. Washington now supports granting Taiwan observer status at a variety of international organizations. Most Taiwanese can come to the United States without a visa. In that sense, Trump’s call was a logical continuation of a slowly evolving process of improved relations. The big concern, however, is that China will use the call as an excuse to further bully Taiwan and that Trump will stand by.

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Thank goodness I didn't get through a whole page of the thread without the "renegade province" thingy appearing again. I'd have begun to fear the discourse had become detached so thx for that obvious grounding.

From Nixon through Obama the Potus with the corporations have sat on the Congress which has always been aggressive about Taiwan and aggressive against CCP Dictators in Beijing. It's been of no matter which party has had majority control, or which decade or which Potus, the Congress in both chambers is inherently hostile to CCP Dictators and super supportive of Taiwan. They just haven't been able to do much of anything due to the immense power of each Beijing friendly Potus and the global corporatists.

It's 2016 now however which means game over.

Former Taiwan Pres. Ma Ying-jeou and his KMT spent eight years kissing up to Beijing and distancing from the USA, until President Hsai won in an across the board landslide this year that for the first time included the DPP winning control of the Parliament.

The most recent Taiwan election was a radical one as was the election last month in the United States. Nothing compares to the synergy of 'em going into 2017 and for the next several years. CCP Dictators haven't been in such a tizzy as they are now since Bill Clinton sent two aircraft carrier strike groups to the Strait in 1996 to stop CCP firing missiles into it trying to disrupt or stop the country's first democratic election of a president.

That and everything before this is nothing compared to the present moment going forward and forseeably. I am in CCP China and every Chinese I know is inside out over this and in a panic yet the games have not yet actually begun. Even CCP Boyz in Beijing have virtually zero knowledge or awareness of the attitudes towards 'em in the Congress or of what's coming at 'em from the Congress itself, never mind from Trump alone before the Congress starts passing laws about Taiwan Trump must implement.

A major reason Potus Obama sent 30-year former Senator Max Baucus to Beijing as ambassador was to take CCP to school about the Congress. The only very recently initiated Beijing being forewarned in respect of the Congress does in fact forearm the U.S. and its interests in this, to include regional security. The confluence as it happens at this point means CCP needs to know it's up against a unified and a unitary Washington and Taiwan in respect of Taiwan independence.

Tangmo said:

Thank goodness I didn't get through a whole page of the thread without the "renegade province" thingy appearing again. I'd have begun to fear the discourse had become detached so thx for that obvious grounding.

From Nixon through Obama the Potus with the corporations have sat on the Congress which has always been aggressive about Taiwan and aggressive against CCP Dictators in Beijing. It's been of no matter which party has had majority control, or which decade or which Potus, the Congress in both chambers is inherently hostile to CCP Dictators and super supportive of Taiwan. They just haven't been able to do much of anything due to the immense power of each Beijing friendly Potus and the global corporatists.

It's 2016 now however which means game over.

Former Taiwan Pres. Ma Ying-jeou and his KMT spent eight years kissing up to Beijing and distancing from the USA, until President Hsai won in an across the board landslide this year that for the first time included the DPP winning control of the Parliament.

The most recent Taiwan election was a radical one as was the election last month in the United States. Nothing compares to the synergy of 'em going into 2017 and for the next several years. CCP Dictators haven't been in such a tizzy as they are now since Bill Clinton sent two aircraft carrier strike groups to the Strait in 1996 to stop CCP firing missiles into it trying to disrupt or stop the country's first democratic election of a president.

That and everything before this is nothing compared to the present moment going forward and forseeably. I am in CCP China and every Chinese I know is inside out over this and in a panic yet the games have not yet actually begun. Even CCP Boyz in Beijing have virtually zero knowledge or awareness of the attitudes towards 'em in the Congress or of what's coming at 'em from the Congress itself, never mind from Trump alone before the Congress starts passing laws about Taiwan Trump must implement.

A major reason Potus Obama sent 30-year former Senator Max Baucus to Beijing as ambassador was to take CCP to school about the Congress. The only very recently initiated Beijing being forewarned in respect of the Congress does in fact forearm the U.S. and its interests in this, to include regional security. The confluence as it happens at this point means CCP needs to know it's up against a unified and a unitary Washington and Taiwan in respect of Taiwan independence.

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If the Chinese did not see the evolution of recent decades then that's willful blindness.

Same same occurring in Hong Kong btw and only more of it to come concerning Taiwan.

In HKG the generation born when CCP Dictators in Beijing resumed control and sovereignty in 1997 detests the system and CCP leaders they've grown up with. The Umbrella Movement now wants independence and nothing but, by referendum. The only disagreement is over the timing of a universal suffrage ballot, whether it should be two years or ten years (ten is likely to prevail). Long time pan-democrats have welcomed the newer generation and they've joined them in the fight for universal suffrage, the referendum, independence. In ten years time they can and should be expected to realize their goals.

CCP Dictators in Beijing who are at bottom ideologues that create their own reality have indeed been blindsided by radical developments in Taiwan, Hong Kong, USA. They thought they could buy off the Southeast Asian states to get control over both the states and the South China Sea so they were surprised when the bribery and corruption approach failed. It failed largely due to reformed and democratic states such as Singapore, developing Malaysia, developing Indonesia and by the pro-USA and simultaneous anti-Beijing pivot of the Narendra Modi BJP government of India.

So CCP decided that because they are Chinese they can boss and muscle their way through the region but, most critically, CCP decided that no one in the region can resist being bossed and bound to submission by China because China is after all China. The Central Kingdom come to reclaim its proper and rightful place as master of the universe. Literally if one knows China.

So radical developments are impacting CCP Dictators in Beijing too, from Taiwan to Trump to Tokyo. The present leaders of the CCP Dynasty of emperors in business suits are irreversibly pre-contained by what PM Shinzo Abe calls the Democracy Diamond. From Japan to Hawaii, to Australia to India and through the developing states of Southeast Asia, to include the sophisticated democracy of Taiwan and South Korea, CCP isn't going anywhere. Not now and not soon.

The status quo CCP Dictators have been working the past decades to bust throughout the Democracy Diamond is indeed now busted, however, it is busted in ways exactly opposite how the CCP Boyz had planned it and had been working toward it. Actually, nobody to include myself saw Donald Trump coming with his radical China-Taiwan advisers who'd been shut out of government for three generations.

Nobody ever foresaw the Democratic Progressive Party on Taiwan completely sweep to power in elections last year and this year. DPP hasn't ever recognized the One China system and continues to point out it was an agreement (in 1992) between CCP and the KMT -- and President Hsai of DPP reminds everyone daily now that DPP was never at the table. The DPP's view is that DPP is not bound by the One China 'private' agreement between the two parties, CCP and KMT.

Neither did CCP foresee nor does it presently see that in Hong Kong its best laid plans to make it just another CCP city have gone down the tubes, forever. Taiwan is now lost to CCP, which is their real and greatest fear. Most significant is that CCP have lost the initiative. CCP is no longer the essentially unchallenged rising power that it never was in the first place. Neither is USA the declining power CCP was boneheadedly certain it was.

In other words, the wheels keep turning and anyone who doesn't get on top of 'em to ride 'em is going to find himself under 'em. Fact is CCP China is just another developing economy albeit a big one and that the CCP Dynasty of Dictators in Beijing are in for a really hard lesson about accepting it. There is only one superpower period and it is the United States. Because China is China, however, it's going to be a very bumpy ride from this point forward.

Potus Obama signed a new defense bill completed by Congress December 8th that significantly upgrades U.S.-Taiwan military relations. It establishes unprecedented contacts and at the highest levels of uniformed and civilian defense officials of both countries.

The new law includes amendments added to it in early December to expand military-to-military relations to, for the first time, authorize U.S. generals and admirals (only) to engage in Taiwan in an "activity, exercise, event or observation" pertaining to the armed forces by either or both countries...in Taiwan.

The new law also authorizes for the first time since 1979 Pentagon officials to do the same, from the level of Assistant Secretary of Defense up. In Taiwan.

Radical.

The act stipulated that the Pentagon shall carry out a program of exchanges of 'senior military officers and senior officials between the U.S. and Taiwan' designed to improve military-to-military relations between the two. As for the location of the exchange, the text states it should be conducted in both the U.S. and Taiwan.

Obama signs defense bill including military exchanges with Taiwan | Taiwan News

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CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing are already talking publicly that maybe the One China policy since Nixon and Mao could be superseded by alternatives that are workable. In other words, how to climb down from the tree because it is creaking and beginning to lurch.

Pres. Tsai Ing-wen and the Democrtatic Progressive Party she leads since May, and which for the first time swept to a majority control of the parlaiment, have never accepted the 1992 One China policy. Since 1992 DPP leaders one after the other have maintained absolutely the 1992 One Country Different Interpretations principle was an exclusive agreement between the KMT and the CCP only and entirely. DPP has always said the KMT-CCP agreement does not impact DPP or the people of Taiwan.

Game over.

Republic of Taiwan coming before too much longer.

Tangmo said:

Potus Obama signed a new defense bill completed by Congress December 8th that significantly upgrades U.S.-Taiwan military relations. It establishes unprecedented contacts and at the highest levels of uniformed and civilian defense officials of both countries.

The new law includes amendments added to it in early December to expand military-to-military relations to, for the first time, authorize U.S. generals and admirals (only) to engage in Taiwan in an "activity, exercise, event or observation" pertaining to the armed forces by either or both countries...in Taiwan.

The new law also authorizes for the first time since 1979 Pentagon officials to do the same, from the level of Assistant Secretary of Defense up. In Taiwan.

Radical.




CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing are already talking publicly that maybe the One China policy since Nixon and Mao could be superseded by alternatives that are workable. In other words, how to climb down from the tree because it is creaking and beginning to lurch.

Pres. Tsai Ing-wen and the Democrtatic Progressive Party she leads since May, and which for the first time swept to a majority control of the parlaiment, have never accepted the 1992 One China policy. Since 1992 DPP leaders one after the other have maintained absolutely the 1992 One Country Different Interpretations principle was an exclusive agreement between the KMT and the CCP only and entirely. DPP has always said the KMT-CCP agreement does not impact DPP or the people of Taiwan.

Game over.

Republic of Taiwan coming before too much longer.

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With this in mind, why all the hoopla about Trump taking a phone call?

Mason66 said:

With this in mind, why all the hoopla about Trump taking a phone call?

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Dunno.

I guess you'd have to ask the hooplers who had their spat of hoopla over it. Nobody here has asked btw so I though I'd mention it, that Taiwan paid for the call. Cheerfully. Payment was confirmed by the office of Pres. Tsai Ing-wen who said it was one of the country's best investments in decades.

Meanwhile and since...


Beijing no longer amused by Trump

Trump's tweets seem to have gotten under the skin of the Chinese.

Global Times is a nationalistic tabloid published by the People's Daily. In a commentary on the changing power dynamics in the Asia-Pacific region, it said: "Will then China be pushed to the front line of confronting the U.S.?"

So there are voices in China calling for a response to Trump's provocations with a steep rise in the military budget and a substantial increase in the number of its nuclear warheads so "Trump would not throw out strange ideas."

Evidently, China doesn't think his tweets are funny anymore, if they ever were. In a warning, the Jan. 18 article concluded, if Trump treats China the same way after he assumes office, "China will not exercise restraint."

Beijing no longer amused by Trump - The China Post


One thing the world knows from thousands of years is that when China can't win without firing a shot it loses. Every time. So let the games begin.

Boyz in Beijing are beginning to feel that things are closing in around 'em and on 'em. They're scared...


China says Taiwan, HK independence supporters will fail "like flies"



Beijing: Quoting a poem by the founder of Communist China Mao Zedong, China's government said on Wednesday that the efforts by Hong Kong and Taiwan independence movements to link up were doomed to fail, as they would be dashed to the ground like flies.

Chinese leaders are increasingly concerned about a fledgling independence movement in the former British colony of Hong Kong, which returned to mainland rule in 1997 with a promise of autonomy, and recent protests in the city. Beijing has warned about independence activists in both places linking up - Hong Kong activists have visited Taiwan this year - and went further at a routine news conference by China's policy-making Taiwan Affairs Office.

"A small coterie of Taiwan independence forces are trying in vain to link up with Hong Kong independence [forces] to split the country, which cannot succeed," spokesman An Fengshan said.

"It's just like that saying 'On this tiny globe, a few flies dash themselves against the wall'," An said, quoting a 1963 poem by Mao, lines usually taken to mean that China does not fear its enemies. "In the end they'll find themselves broken and bleeding," he added, without elaborating, using words that are not in the poem.

China says Taiwan, HK independence supporters will fail "like flies"


What's always been true remains true that nasty people can only be stopped in nasty ways.

Which is why it is more than a small group. Pro-democracy and pro-independence leaders travel to Taiwan from Hong Kong and other countries of the SE Asia region to meet in safety and their common cause, which ever it is, sometimes both.

Might a second Tiananmen Square Massacre of unarmed civilians demanding democracy be possible. Never put it past Satan to create his hell on earth if we let him do it, not once, but twice.

Office of Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen said her transit through the United States next week will in fact occur.

White House and DepState have remained silent on it but it looks like the demands are being ignored from CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing that Pres. Tsai be denied entry to USA.

Potus-Elect Donald Trump says he would be open to meet in USA with Pres. Tsai after he becomes Potus.

Pres. Tsai will be in Houston Jan 7 & 8 and in San Francisco Jan 13 & 14. In between she will visit several Central America countries that have formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan but not with CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing. It's likely a couple of Trump's top advisers on CCP-Taiwan-Hong Kong will meet with her, likely in SFO but no one will say one way or the other just yet.

CCP says its One China policy requires the U.S. to deny entry to USA by any leader of Taiwan. Looks like the dayze when CCP Dictators could demand and get from Washington are over.

What CCP Tyrants overlook is that the One China policy is their policy only. It is not the policy of the United States, nor has the One China policy ever been the policy of the United States. Washington observes the CCP's One China policy voluntarily and generally but not absolutely.

U.S. has never negotiated to create or confirm the One China policy dreamed up in 1992 between CCP in Beijing and the KMT party in Taiwan. Pres. Tsai's DPP has also never been involved in cooking up the One China policy or in developing it, much less to implement it. DPP favors Taiwan independence, period.

USA selling weapons to Taiwan, which it's done regularly for decades, ignores or defies the CCP One China policy -- probably both. CCP throws a tantrum each time U.S. sells weapons to Taiwan. One suspects the next weapons sale to Taiwan under Potus Trump would be a blockbuster that will also explode heads in Beijing.

A lot of people are figuring Potus Trump will also meet with the Dali Lama of CCP occupied Tibet sometime before long after January 20th which would further confirm to Beijing that the good times of the past 30 years are over for 'em.

USA has now taken the initiative to knock CCP onto its back foot and in the CCP's own back yard. Hell, front yard.

Good good and good. The Boyz in Beijing are now revealing their hand for all to see that the view from over there is that USA is a flash in the pan of history, and that China is and will remain the big dog on the globe. Flashes come and go but the big dongs stay and sit, so say the CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing.

It wuz always going to come down to this, it's just that it's happening sooner rather than later. And now anyone can see the critical need for the Chinese to be taken back to school. Hope they don't mind staying late either. They've a lot to learn about the modern and future world...



'Arrogant' US is just a 'shooting star in the ample sky of history,' says Chinese state media

Statement comes as Robert Lighthizer, who has called for a more aggressive approach to dealing with China, is appointed as Mr Trump's trade representative


According to China, the US has had its moment and the President-elect's actions may not matter much in the future. “May the arrogant Americans realise that the United States of America is perhaps just a shooting star in the ample sky of history,” the paper said.

Last month, the President-elect appointed Peter Navarro to lead a new presidential office for US trade and industrial policy. Mr Navarro has previously described China’s government as a “despicable, parasitic, brutal, brass-knuckled, crass, callous, amoral, ruthless and totally totalitarian imperialist power”.

Mr Lighthizer, a former Reagan-era trade official, who once travelled the world negotiating deals to curb steel imports, is not as outspoken as Mr Navarro, but has expressed a similar belief that China's economic policies are fundamentally flawed.

'Arrogant' US is just a 'shooting star in the ample sky of history,' says Chinese state media | The Independent




And the hits just keep on comin...



Chinese media warn Donald Trump of 'direct confrontation'

Beijing’s Global Times said the U.S. president-elect was using North Korea as a pretext to threaten China.


On Monday, Trump tweeted, "China has been taking out massive amounts of money & wealth from the U.S. in totally one-sided trade, but won't help with North Korea. Nice!" after tweeting that North Korea's nuclear development "won't happen" during his presidency.


"We do not want war or chaos on the Korean peninsula and if conflict arises even China cannot stop it...[but] if the political situation changes after the worst-case scenario we will raise our voice and must not permit an enemy regime or a regime allied to the enemy by crossing the Yalu River" between China and North Korea, the article read.

Chinese media warn Donald Trump of 'direct confrontation' - UPI.com



So it's official now...if the North collapses Beijing will invade to take charge and control.

Hmmm...

Interesting it is when someone like Potus-Elect Donald Trump tells the bad guyz to expect the worst and how the bad guyz respond by calling us the "enemy" as they did in the quote above. CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing have now had to lay the word "enemy" on the table in front of the USA (and the world) ten years before they'd planned to do the unveiling. Good work by Trump and his knowing and savvy realpolitik China advisers.

Go long on popcorn, bullets, beans, bandages, rice, dumplings. Go short on the People's Republic of China however.

The only aircraft carrier of the CCP Dictators in Beijing is the Lioning and it is currently on maneuvers in the South China Sea near Taiwan and the Philippines, to include its J-15 fighters on training, along with several PLA Navy protective ships.

PLA Air Force unarmed nuclear capable bombers are flying up to but not into Taiwan's Air Defense Identification Zone.

Taiwan armed forces are scoping CCP's belligerent actions by the minute. Taiwan Pres. Tsai Ing-Wei will be travelling to USA and Central America for two weeks.


Taiwan Pres. Tsai Ing-wen visits the Army 301st Air Assault Brigade of the Republic of China armed forces, accompanied at left by Defense Minister Feng Shih-kuan and General Chiu Kuo-cheng who is chief of the armed forces general staff. Both officials were appointed by Pres. Tsai last month.




US Aircraft Carrier Carl Vinson Strike Group Three set sail from San Diego several days ago. It is scheduled to arrive off the coast of Taiwan and CCP China on January 20th. The Vinson and the Lioning may come within rang of one another.


The Vinson Strike Group includes the Ticonderoga-class cruiser USS Lake Champlain (CG-57) and the Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer USS Wayne E Meyer (DDG-108), USS Michael Murphy (DDG-112), Carrier Air Wing 2 with 90 F/A-18 Strike Fighters.


USS Carl Vinson Carrier CVN-70 Strike Group Three set sail from San Diego to the coast of China and near Taiwan, scheduled to arrive January 20th.

The supercarrier Vinson will join the Carrier Strike Groups of the overall Pacific Fleet aircraft carriers, which are the USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76) from the US Navy Seventh Fleet and the USS John C Stennis (CVCN-74) from the navy’s Third Fleet.

Vinson Strike Group has submarines which are not identified publicly by name, capability or the number of (typically 2-3 subs).

Potus Obama ignored Beijing's insistence the Taiwan President Hsai Ing-wen be denied entry to the United States.

On January 7 & 8 Pres. Tsai was in Houston where she met with Sen. Ted Cruz and Gov. Gregg Abbot. Friday and Saturday Pres. Tsai was in San Francisco where she was greeted by a high security 60 Harley-Davidson police escort. In between Houston and San Francisco Pres. Tsai visited four Central America countries that continue to recognize Taiwan as the legitimate government of China.


High-level security and motorcade for Tsai sighted in San Francisco

The president was seen escorted by a police motorcade of 60 Harley-Davidson motorcycles on her way to Twitter HQ

The Cavalry forms up...

A total of 60 SFPD Harley-Davidson police motorcycles came together for a motorcade escort of Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen, as she was on her way to Twitter’s Headquarters in San Francisco on Saturday. She was wrapping up her overseas trip with a visit to a number of high-tech companies in the city and attended activities related to her government’s “Asian Silicon Valley” initiative, which aimed at promoting innovation and upgrading the nation’s entrepreneurship ecosystem.

High-level security and motorcade for Tsai sighted in San Francisco | Taiwan News



TX Gov. Abbot met with Pres. Tsai despite the request of the CCP Consul Officer in Houston that it not be done. The meeting between the governor and the president is seen as a statement that Texas is too big to the CCP Boyz in Beijing to ignore or to try to punish. TX and Taiwan also do a great business and trade.

Referring to the letter from the China Consul in Houston, Cruz said in his statement Sunday that he had received Li’s letter demanding the snub of Tsai but that China’s wishes would not dictate whom he would or would not meet. Cruz was rather clear about it as his statement below attests.

Against China’s objections, Ted Cruz and Texas governor meet with Taiwanese president




“The People’s Republic of China needs to understand that in America we make decisions about meeting with visitors for ourselves,” Cruz said. “This is not about the PRC. This is about the U.S. relationship with Taiwan, an ally we are legally bound to defend. The Chinese do not give us veto power over those with whom they meet. We will continue to meet with anyone, including the Taiwanese, as we see fit.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...texas-governor-meet-with-taiwanese-president/

Cruz's statement pretty much sums up the whole of the Tsai trip which in its totality said to CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing that if you don't like it then shove it.

Trump's stupidity and impulsiveness are literally going to get people killed.

This is not normal. For a president of either political party.

Phys251 said:

Trump's stupidity and impulsiveness are literally going to get people killed.

This is not normal. For a president of either political party.

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Unlike hillary who lost for Americans in Benghazi due to inaction

Mac77 said:

Unlike hillary who lost for Americans in Benghazi due to inaction

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How are the 2 comparable? They are not.

Mac77 said:

Unlike hillary who lost for Americans in Benghazi due to inaction

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Hillary fought in Benghazi? Wow!

JANFU said:

How are the 2 comparable? They are not.

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now that you mention it they are not comparable are they?

Trump has not caused the death of anyone and hillary has

Mac77 said:

now that you mention it they are not comparable are they?

Trump has not caused the death of anyone and hillary has

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The standard canned rightwing political spam.

Tangmo said:

The standard canned rightwing political spam.

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No, hillary was a complete failure as Sec of State

and four dead Americans in Libya is only one of her more obvious examples of incompetence

CCP Dictators in Beijing are always lecturing about something, scolding about something else, furious at almost anything. Somebody soon may need to slap 'em on the nose with a newspaper or to kick 'em right into the doghouse where they rightfully should be put. First things first might be a rabies shot.

It is understood that key members of the Taiwan delegation to the inauguration also met with key U.S. officials during their seven day visit to Washington. Former Premier Yu Shih-Kun who is a former chairman of the ruling Democratic Progressive Party of President Tsai Ing-wen led the delegation which included National Security Council adviser Tung Chen-yuan and a number of Taiwan lawmakers and mayors.

While Yu was diplomatic and coy about meeting with Obama and/or Trump administration officials, Yu did say he and his group met with Senators and members of the House, experts at think tanks and "Taiwanese expatriates."

So here's a rundown on the whole of it...



China is furious at Trump again, this time for allowing Taiwan delegation to attend the inauguration

China is furious at Trump again this time for allowing Taiwan delegation to attend the inauguration



It’s ‘gloves off’ if Trump continues his Taiwan line as president, China Daily warns

“It seems wishful thinking to assume Trump and his team’s remarks on Taiwan have been based on bluster and miscalculation. On the contrary, it appears the next administration is intending to use the one-China policy as its trump card.”

The state-owned newspaper proceeded to warn that if Trump were to continue down that road once he takes office, “a period of fierce, damaging interactions will be unavoidable, as Beijing will have no choice but to take off the gloves.”

While Beijing concedes that its retaliation “may be costly,” it believes it “a worthy price to pay to make the next US president aware of the special sensitivity, and serious consequences of his Taiwan game.”

https://www.rt.com/news/373803-china-trump-taiwan-us/



‘No way:’ China urges US to forbid Taiwan delegation from attending Trump inauguration

Beijing is warning that the “so-called delegation” could “disturb or undermine Sino-US relations.”
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said Beijing was opposed to Taiwan, which China considers a renegade province, sending its own representatives to “engage in activities to interfere in or damage China-US ties.”

“We again urge the relevant side in the United States not to allow the Taiwan authority to send a so-called delegation to the United States to attend the presidential inauguration and not have any form of official contact with Taiwan,” Hua told a news briefing on Wednesday.

“China’s position has already accurately and unmistakably been given to the US administration and Trump’s team,” she added.


China is furious at Trump again this time for allowing Taiwan delegation to attend the inauguration




Taiwan tells Beijing to grow up over Trump ceremony row

By AFP

Former premier Yu Shyi-kun, who is leading Taiwan’s delegation hit back. “Don’t be so small,” Yu, who belongs to the ruling Beijing-sceptic Democratic Progressive Party, was quoted as saying by Taiwan’s state Central News Agency. “There hasn’t been any leader with such a narrow mind in all Chinese dynasties,” added Yu, referring to Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Asked whether he had met with officials from former President Barack Obama’s outgoing administration or Trump’s new one, Yu was cautious. “According to the norms and understanding that we have between Taiwan and the U.S., if we have any meetings with members of the administration we cannot disclose that,” he said.

Taiwan envoy hails U.S. ties after Trump inauguration | The Japan Times


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