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Trump loses 23,700 votes in Pennsylvania before recount begins

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The more the votes are counted in each of the three blue states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, the more votes Donald Trump loses, in each state. This is true even before any recounts begin or, as in Wisconsin, have begun.


Ahead of recounts, three states admit they “erred” in Trump’s favor by thousands of votes

By Bill Palmer | December 1, 2016

In the past two weeks Michigan and Wisconsin have both voluntarily revised the size of Donald Trump’s “win” downward by thousands of votes each. And now Pennsylvania has shrunk the size of Trump’s win by tens of thousands of votes.

Yesterday Trump's margin of his Pennsylvania vote win was slashed to 46,938 votes from the previously counted 70,638.

It’s important to understand that these revisions have been made by the states before the recounts even got underway.

These shifts in the vote totals have been based on precincts revising their own numbers, either because they caught errors of their own accord, or in some instances because internet gawkers spotted numerical impossibilities that forced those precincts to check themselves.

But the sudden shift in Pennsylvania voting totals is dramatic, in that it wipes out around one-third of Trump’s lead in the state ahead of the recount.


Ahead of recounts, three states admit they "erred" in Trump's favor by thousands of votes - Palmer Report



Here are the major changes to vote totals that keep creeping up on the Creepy Trump...

Michigan: Trump presently leads by 10,704 votes -- on Nov 14th it had been +13,107)
Pennsylvania: Trump presently leads by 46,938 votes -- until yesterday it had been +70,638)
Wisconsin: Trump presently leads by 22,177 votes -- until last week it had been +27,257)

Trump's advantage over Clinton in PA is now 0.7% instead of 1.1%

The votes in Trump's margin of victory in each of the three blue states are creeping closer to the Clinton vote in each state, as the clerks continue to count. This was fact before the recount began in Wisconsin, and before any recounts might begin in Michigan or Pennsylvania.

I continue to say the recount will not change the outcome of the election. However, the direction of the votes as they continue to be counted, before any recount began or has begun in each state, is not in Trump's favor. The vote count in each instance is only moving away from Trump.

Since November 8th Trump has lost many tens of thousands of votes in key states while Hillary Clinton has either lost a few hundred or gained several hundred in each instance.

An open question also remains of election fraud in the three states. Election fraud is by elections officials, in contrast to voter fraud which is by voters only.


The current vote in each of the three states for, respectively, Clinton...then for Trump...


Clinton --- Trump
Michigan 2,268,839 --- 2,279,543 = 47.3% 47.5%
Pennsylvania 2,914,422 --- 2,961,187 = 47.9% 48.6%
Wisconsin 1,381,823 --- 1,404,000 = 46.4% 47.2%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...73R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19
 
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The Trump margin of victory in each of those three states is greater than any ever overturned in the history of presidential elections.

The totals can, and will, go up and down and votes are counted, recounted, and the totals are affirmed.

Perfectly normal and natural part of any election.

I think we can all rest assured, as you say, that Trump is the legitimate victor in this election.

At the end of the day, as long as he wins by one vote in each state he is the victor.

As a Trump supporter and voter I welcome the recounts as a means of reassuring the American public that Trump is, and aught to be, the President-Elect of the United States.
 
And the Clinton vote total changes?
 
This is strange.

There is no recount going on in Pennsylvania OR Michigan. There is in Wisconsin, though. As of right now Wisconsin has officially changed 1, that's ONE, vote.
 
The Trump margin of victory in each of those three states is greater than any ever overturned in the history of presidential elections.

The totals can, and will, go up and down and votes are counted, recounted, and the totals are affirmed.

Perfectly normal and natural part of any election.

I think we can all rest assured, as you say, that Trump is the legitimate victor in this election.

At the end of the day, as long as he wins by one vote in each state he is the victor.

As a Trump supporter and voter I welcome the recounts as a means of reassuring the American public that Trump is, and aught to be, the President-Elect of the United States.

Assuming the source is legitimate (and it's a bit of a big assumption), 23,300 votes seems like a rather large chunk of an error, don't you think?
 
This is strange.

There is no recount going on in Pennsylvania OR Michigan. There is in Wisconsin, though. As of right now Wisconsin has officially changed 1, that's ONE, vote.

This is actually one of the reasons I've largely been absent from these threads. The amount of conflicting information on this topic has been insane.
 
The Trump margin of victory in each of those three states is greater than any ever overturned in the history of presidential elections.

The totals can, and will, go up and down and votes are counted, recounted, and the totals are affirmed.

Perfectly normal and natural part of any election.

I think we can all rest assured, as you say, that Trump is the legitimate victor in this election.

At the end of the day, as long as he wins by one vote in each state he is the victor.

As a Trump supporter and voter I welcome the recounts as a means of reassuring the American public that Trump is, and aught to be, the President-Elect of the United States.


I posted that I expect the recounts will not change the outcome of the election.

That is all I'd said.

Trump's margin of his win in each of the blue states in this close election has nothing but dwindled since November 8th. If Trump had been or is gaining votes, then no one would pay much mind. However, Trump is only losing votes in each instance.

So it is good that you welcome the recounts. They should clear matters even if they might come down to a difference in each state of 1 vote for Trump.

I'd rather recounts did not have to be pursued in the traditionally blue states especially and in particular, and in a narrowly contested vote in each state.
 
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This is actually one of the reasons I've largely been absent from these threads. The amount of conflicting information on this topic has been insane.
I wish this whole thing would just end. There results are what they are at this point. No recount in history has ever changed the outcome when the margins were as high as they are in these states.

I wish those throwing a tantrum would grow up and wish those running around gloating about "make 'murica great again" would shut up. There's a much wider swath in the middle that's just sick of the whole thing.
 
I wish this whole thing would just end. There results are what they are at this point. No recount in history has ever changed the outcome when the margins were as high as they are in these states.

I wish those throwing a tantrum would grow up and wish those running around gloating about "make 'murica great again" would shut up. There's a much wider swath in the middle that's just sick of the whole thing.

Just for the record, almost nobody actually expects the recount to change anything, just as the smallest handful of people imaginable believe there's evidence for voting fraud in those three states.
 
Donald Trump won. If you need a shoulder to cry on I am here for you.
 
Just for the record, almost nobody actually expects the recount will change anything, just as the smallest handful of people imaginable believe there's evidence for voting fraud in those three states.
Then why do it?
 
Then why do it?

Because it's legal and they can. If somebody has an itch up their butt they're free to raise the funds to pay for a recount and get one.
 
Donald Trump won. If you need a shoulder to cry on I am here for you.

Thegoverness, that idiotic type of response has been making this forum insufferably stupid for the past month. Can it.
 
Because it's legal and they can. If somebody has an itch up their butt they're free to raise the funds to pay for a recount and get one.
In other words it's a butthurt response to an undesirable outcome.
 
In other words it's a butthurt response to an undesirable outcome.

You're free to look at it that way if it puts a little more bounce in your step.
 
You're free to look at it that way if it puts a little more bounce in your step.
It's not about putting a bounce in anyone's step. It's about what the real motivation is and if there is no chance in reversing the outcome,(which there isn't) then there is little doubt about why it is being pursued.
 
It's not about putting a bounce in anyone's step. It's about what the real motivation is and if there is no chance in reversing the outcome,(which there isn't) then there is little doubt about why it is being pursued.

Recounts are a normal part of the democratic election process. This recount just happens to be more publicized because of the contentious nature of the election. If you want to water everything down to "butt hurt" so it's easier to process, that's your prerogative.
 
Assuming the source is legitimate (and it's a bit of a big assumption), 23,300 votes seems like a rather large chunk of an error, don't you think?

It's some blogger who started doing this crap 18 months ago. Talk about fake news.
 
Recounts are a normal part of the democratic election process. This recount just happens to be more publicized because of the contentious nature of the election. If you want to water everything down to "butt hurt" so it's easier to process, that's your prerogative.
Not everything can be watered down to butthurt. This is true.

But some things can. The last time we had recounts in more than one state when the margins were this high was when?
 
Not everything can be watered down to butthurt. This is true.

But some things can. The last time we had recounts in more than one state when the margins were this high was when?

I don't know and it doesn't matter, because recounts are a normal part of our system and Trump is going to be sworn in on January 20th. The most significant thing is that the count tally will be a little more accurate and, with any luck, the next season of Game of Thrones will finally be back on the air.
 
It's some blogger who started doing this crap 18 months ago. Talk about fake news.

Yeah, that's probably true.
 
The OP posted a similar entry about Wisconsin...something about thousands of votes in a county errored to trump....days after i've heard zero about it.

Is the OP's source just literally making things up?
 
Isn't it funny how all those blue states erred in President Trump's favor and Clinton's votes are 100% legit?
 
Then why do it?

It was a big circle jerk. Some people floated the idea of chicanery, with absolutely no evidence. Got the buzz going, and then said "well, it's out there, so we might as well be sure." Gosh, how did it get "out there" in the first place?
 
The more the votes are counted in each of the three blue states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, the more votes Donald Trump loses, in each state. This is true even before any recounts begin or, as in Wisconsin, have begun.


Ahead of recounts, three states admit they “erred” in Trump’s favor by thousands of votes

By Bill Palmer | December 1, 2016

In the past two weeks Michigan and Wisconsin have both voluntarily revised the size of Donald Trump’s “win” downward by thousands of votes each. And now Pennsylvania has shrunk the size of Trump’s win by tens of thousands of votes.

Yesterday Trump's margin of his Pennsylvania vote win was slashed to 46,938 votes from the previously counted 70,638.

It’s important to understand that these revisions have been made by the states before the recounts even got underway.

These shifts in the vote totals have been based on precincts revising their own numbers, either because they caught errors of their own accord, or in some instances because internet gawkers spotted numerical impossibilities that forced those precincts to check themselves.

But the sudden shift in Pennsylvania voting totals is dramatic, in that it wipes out around one-third of Trump’s lead in the state ahead of the recount.


Ahead of recounts, three states admit they "erred" in Trump's favor by thousands of votes - Palmer Report



Here are the major changes to vote totals that keep creeping up on the Creepy Trump...

Michigan: Trump presently leads by 10,704 votes -- on Nov 14th it had been +13,107)
Pennsylvania: Trump presently leads by 46,938 votes -- until yesterday it had been +70,638)
Wisconsin: Trump presently leads by 22,177 votes -- until last week it had been +27,257)

Trump's advantage over Clinton in PA is now 0.7% instead of 1.1%

The votes in Trump's margin of victory in each of the three blue states are creeping closer to the Clinton vote in each state, as the clerks continue to count. This was fact before the recount began in Wisconsin, and before any recounts might begin in Michigan or Pennsylvania.

I continue to say the recount will not change the outcome of the election. However, the direction of the votes as they continue to be counted, before any recount began or has begun in each state, is not in Trump's favor. The vote count in each instance is only moving away from Trump.

Since November 8th Trump has lost many tens of thousands of votes in key states while Hillary Clinton has either lost a few hundred or gained several hundred in each instance.

An open question also remains of election fraud in the three states. Election fraud is by elections officials, in contrast to voter fraud which is by voters only.


The current vote in each of the three states for, respectively, Clinton...then for Trump...


Clinton --- Trump
Michigan 2,268,839 --- 2,279,543 = 47.3% 47.5%
Pennsylvania 2,914,422 --- 2,961,187 = 47.9% 48.6%
Wisconsin 1,381,823 --- 1,404,000 = 46.4% 47.2%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...73R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19

I can find NO substantiation of this "revision" in PA. Can you?
 
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