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Wind generation output tops 15,000 MW in ERCOT region

joG said:
It isn't such a question of "can do". It's more the economics of the thing. So put the research into it until the technology is efficient for some applications and innovate as it becomes more efficient while you research and increase use and production. Why waste investment on inefficient production?
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Your last question was equivalent to "When will you stop beating your wife?"
 
danarhea said:
Wind power on Sunday accounted for 45 percent of all power generation in Texas.

Coal? Coal? We don't need your stinking coal.

Wind generation output tops 15,000 MW in ERCOT region
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I am wondering why you left the words "at the time" off the end of your first sentence. 45% of the power was generated for just a brief moment.

News Flash!!! Wind mills only work while the wind is blowing. Coal provides energy on demand. That means power on windy or calm days, during the day and night. I suspect coal is going to be around for a while. At least until we find that elusive better battery.
 
danarhea said:
Conservatives who push for coal also take a "not in my back yard" approach. Both sides do it, but if you are going to do it, then it is going to have to be in someone's back yard. That must be accepted by both sides. But yes, it is Conservatives in Texas who made wind power happen. Here in Texas, it was T Boone Pickens who originally got the ball rolling. I've met him before. His sister was my supervisor when I worked at Texas Instruments back in the 70's and early 80's. He was an interesting person.

Right now, each turbine in Texas provides 2.3 MW of power, but new ones are coming out that will each provide 7 MW of power. Wind is definitely in our future.
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Scuse me? I LITERALLY had a coal mine across the tracks from my backyard when I was in my teens. That's certainly not true in Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky and Tennessee.
 
Absentglare said:
Are you under the impression that other sources of energy don't leak?
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a lot of people are under the impression that wind energy has zero effect on the environment.
 
countryboy said:
No energy source is a panacea. That's the point. Do you have evidence that coal energy is directly responsible for killing millions of birds annually? Let's see it.

Solar isn't completely safe either, nor is it particularly efficient.
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One need not look beyond our own species to find the calamity that coal creates. Before the establishment and enforcement of air quality standards that ultimately brought the coal industry to it's knees; human populations were subjected to deadly smog events. The Great Smog of London in 1952 killed 12,000 people and sickened 100,000 others in just 5 days.
 
Napoleon said:
One need not look beyond our own species to find the calamity that coal creates. Before the establishment and enforcement of air quality standards that ultimately brought the coal industry to it's knees; human populations were subjected to deadly smog events. The Great Smog of London in 1952 killed 12,000 people and sickened 100,000 others in just 5 days.
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Why did you jack up the death x3?
 
Napoleon said:
One need not look beyond our own species to find the calamity that coal creates. Before the establishment and enforcement of air quality standards that ultimately brought the coal industry to it's knees; human populations were subjected to deadly smog events. The Great Smog of London in 1952 killed 12,000 people and sickened 100,000 others in just 5 days.
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Fair is fair.

The tree hugging wacko environmentalists led the push for cleaner coal plants and I dont want to deny them their due.

But they succeeded and now it is time to take advantage of the progress that cllean cosl represents
 
joG said:
You need rather large backup plant independent of sun and wind. Alternatively you require enormously increased storage above that necessary every night, when the sun sets.
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That technology is coming. Just you wait.
 
apdst said:
You mean, one day wind turbines won't cost 10 times more that they profit?
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Yes, of course that day will come. But I was referring to the ability to efficiently store renewable energy.
 
Middleground said:
That technology is coming. Just you wait.
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Lol....Yea, inferior technology that is prone to lags and blackouts and that has to be highly subsidized by consumers and Govt is coming, just you wait !

I have no doubt the Progressive agenda woutr try to oush 100 % renewables down our throats if they could no matter the consequences or the cost.

It would be a disaster of epic proportions. We would be allowing people who's knowledge of power generation starts and stops at their kitchen outlet to craft our energy policy.
 
countryboy said:
Yeah, birds would disagree.

Will Wind Turbines Ever Be Safe For Birds? | Audubon

Windfarms kill 10-20 times more than previously thought | Save the Eagles International

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Do you think that Coal is better for the environment than Wind?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Do you think that Coal is better for the environment than Wind?
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Maybe not

although with current technology the difference is not that great

But the cost of wind produced energy is higher
 
Middleground said:
Yes, of course that day will come. But I was referring to the ability to efficiently store renewable energy.
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Suuure.....Imagine, spending trillions of dollars on a inefficient and unpredictable power generation technology, then mandating its use as a alternative to fossil fuels without having a effective and efficient way to store all the electricity it produces.

That's progressives you.

Germany spent upwards of 10% of their GDP to switch over to 100% renewables, they dove right in as they allowed IDIOT left wing deologues to craft their energy policy

They built massive Solar plants and windfarms and heavily subsidized it through increased cost on consumers. Problem is no one bothered to consider that renewables are prone to power lags.

Now, Germany's building coal fired ( lignite) power plants as fast as they can stamp them out. So Germans pay 3 x what Americans pay per KWH and their air is dirtier.

Lol ! No, we don't want that cluster repeated her.
 
Middleground said:
That technology is coming. Just you wait.
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I hope it does. Do you have any sources highlighting recent progress? Not being a wiseacre, I'm seriously interested.

My personal feeling is, it will never be tenable on an industrial level. I think the promise lies in personal generation and storage. And it won't be wind, but solar.
 
Fenton said:
Lol....Yea, inferior technology that is prone to lags and blackouts and that has to be highly subsidized by consumers and Govt is coming, just you wait !

I have no doubt the Progressive agenda woutr try to oush 100 % renewables down our throats if they could no matter the consequences or the cost.

It would be a disaster of epic proportions. We would be allowing people who's knowledge of power generation starts and stops at their kitchen outlet to craft our energy policy.
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You have no idea what I was referencing.

I was talking about the ability to store sun/wind energy efficiently. Right now, we are Windows 95 level.
 
countryboy said:
I hope it does. Do you have any sources highlighting recent progress? Not being a wiseacre, I'm seriously interested.

My personal feeling is, it will never be tenable on an industrial level. I think the promise lies in personal generation and storage. And it won't be wind, but solar.
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Wind and solar will never be feasible unless we find a way to store massive amounts of the generated energy. Or -- a scenario that I find interesting and appealing -- is that in the future, each and every home will generate it's own electricity. I work in a research organization that is currently building a test house on our grounds that will do exactly that. Included will be a 2 car garage that feeds the electric cars via stored solar power.

The future stores great promise but it's going to take a bit of time to get there. We are behind the 8-ball for a plethora of reasons, but we will eventually get there.
 
Middleground said:
You have no idea what I was referencing.

I was talking about the ability to store sun/wind energy efficiently. Right now, we are Windows 95 level.
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Sorry, but we're not even at the Commodore 64 level yet.

When it when it comes to the large scale application of renewables there is really no cheap, clean and efficient technology to store all that power.

Maybe those trying to push this inferior tech down our throats should have thought about that before blowing Trillons of dollars on windmills and solar panels.

The only way to store the terrawatts of power needed to run the world economies is to convert the power from Solar and wind into hydrogen via hydrogen generators.

Hydrogen would be stored in some MASSIVE facility, maybe underground where it could be converted to methane for running turbine generators.

As ludicrous and dangerous as it sounds that the only option for full scale renewable storage

Again, this inferior technology thats only feasible if its continuously subsidized was shoved down our throats by Progressive ideologues who's knowledge of power generation stops and starts at their kitchen outlet.
 
Middleground said:
Wind and solar will never be feasible unless we find a way to store massive amounts of the generated energy. Or -- a scenario that I find interesting and appealing -- is that in the future, each and every home will generate it's own electricity. I work in a research organization that is currently building a test house on our grounds that will do exactly that. Included will be a 2 car garage that feeds the electric cars via stored solar power.

The future stores great promise but it's going to take a bit of time to get there. We are behind the 8-ball for a plethora of reasons, but we will eventually get there.
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Wow, how exciting to be involved in such a project. I hope you can share some details with us as it progresses.

My fear is, we may never discover a way to store energy efficiently. The physics may simply not exist.
 
countryboy said:
Wow, how exciting to be involved in such a project. I hope you can share some details with us as it progresses.

My fear is, we may never discover a way to store energy efficiently. The physics may simply not exist.
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Oh I think we'll get there. From what I know, we've made great strides in the last few years. The momentum is certainly building.

The test house will be complete in April 2017. Can't wait!
 
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