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Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins[W:304:440]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Yep, so long as one can't say exacty who voted it is darned hard to prove otherwise.


It's instructive to look at who we can identify as not having voted, largely for the reasons indicated. So let's hear from the Executive Director of the Milwaukee Election Commission


Did Trump Steal Wisconsin?


Some point to voter suppression as a factor in this state and others.




Some, however, believe voter suppression reduced Clinton’s total. Neil Albrecht, executive director of the city Election Commission, told the Journal Sentinel “we had some of the greatest declines in the districts we projected would have the the most trouble with ID requirements.” He said four districts of the city with the most “transient, high poverty” residents experienced trouble with people struggling to meet the photo ID requirements. “We had a lot of calls” about such problems, he added.

Ari Berman, writing for The Nation, notes that in this state “300,000 registered voters, according to a federal court, lacked strict forms of voter ID” and that voter turnout “decreased 13 percent in Milwaukee, where 70 percent of the state’s African-American population lives.”

Berman has documented voters disenfranchised in Wisconsin, and there is considerable evidence state Division of Motor Vehicle workers were giving voters misleading information about their right to vote.

Scot Ross of the liberal One Wisconsin Institute, says restrictive voting laws could have turned the state red for the first time in 32 years of presidential elections. “I’d need more data,” he says “but 27,000 votes isn’t all that many when you think about the number of people without ID.”


Murphy?s Law: Did Trump Steal Wisconsin? » Urban Milwaukee


The right whinge shoots itself in the foot when they jump to say these are exactly the people who shouldn't be voting. What they mean is, Democratic Party voters shouldn't be voting. It the old right whinge mantra of Democrats are evil, corrupt, wicked, out to destroy the Right Wing Paradise blah blah blurp blurp.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

I believe your source is one of the fake news sites.

Doesn't matter. It'll gain traction because it tells some what they desperately want to hear. They'll be claiming Trump is illegitimate throughout his term. A section in the Conspiracy Forum should be carved out for them to keep the rest of us safe from their nuttery.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

It's instructive to look at who we can identify as not having voted, largely for the reasons indicated. So let's hear from the Executive Director of the Milwaukee Election Commission


Did Trump Steal Wisconsin?


Some point to voter suppression as a factor in this state and others.




Some, however, believe voter suppression reduced Clinton’s total. Neil Albrecht, executive director of the city Election Commission, told the Journal Sentinel “we had some of the greatest declines in the districts we projected would have the the most trouble with ID requirements.” He said four districts of the city with the most “transient, high poverty” residents experienced trouble with people struggling to meet the photo ID requirements. “We had a lot of calls” about such problems, he added.

Ari Berman, writing for The Nation, notes that in this state “300,000 registered voters, according to a federal court, lacked strict forms of voter ID” and that voter turnout “decreased 13 percent in Milwaukee, where 70 percent of the state’s African-American population lives.”

Berman has documented voters disenfranchised in Wisconsin, and there is considerable evidence state Division of Motor Vehicle workers were giving voters misleading information about their right to vote.

Scot Ross of the liberal One Wisconsin Institute, says restrictive voting laws could have turned the state red for the first time in 32 years of presidential elections. “I’d need more data,” he says “but 27,000 votes isn’t all that many when you think about the number of people without ID.”


Murphy?s Law: Did Trump Steal Wisconsin? » Urban Milwaukee


The right whinge shoots itself in the foot when they jump to say these are exactly the people who shouldn't be voting. What they mean is, Democratic Party voters shouldn't be voting. It the old right whinge mantra of Democrats are evil, corrupt, wicked, out to destroy the Right Wing Paradise blah blah blurp blurp.

Hmm... We purport to know why Clinton got less votes (voter ID requirements?) yet must look for some other evil (voter fraud?) to explain it. ;)
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

I'm referring to what was put in the OP.

So was I.

Again I ask:

How would the voter ID laws instigated by the Republicans have rectified this????
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Recounts aside, none have ever overturned a Presidential election and it is doubtful one would do so now, but if evidence is there then there should be a recount and we should not fear them being verified.

That said I have one question:

If somehow the election results were overturn and Hillary were declared the new winner, would the American People accept her as President?
I doubt it and believe if somehow the Dems were to get the election overturned in Hillary's favor, we would be a Nation on the verge of civil war and probably break up as a Nation within a few years. Is that what the Dems want or does having power mean enough to destroy the Republic. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.


One question? Buzzz! Try yer luck another.

Because the old guilt trip scenario concocted by the right wing against their opponents is a bust every time. Yet youse guyz never quit with it.

Interesting though to read the stuff youse guyz perpetually come up with -- verge of civil war because if all the votes were counted and HRC turned out as Potus the country would go straight to hell.

No sale.

Try a different line of product and approach. Definitely needs buckets of a cheap cologne too btw.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

So was I.

Again I ask:

How would the voter ID laws instigated by the Republicans have rectified this????

So I had to double back and recheck, and I must have gotten confuzzled. I guess I am more referring to post 30. Not sure how I came to think that was the OP. I think it was just the first post I saw when I started tracking this thread.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

It's instructive to look at who we can identify as not having voted, largely for the reasons indicated. So let's hear from the Executive Director of the Milwaukee Election Commission


Did Trump Steal Wisconsin?


Some point to voter suppression as a factor in this state and others.




Some, however, believe voter suppression reduced Clinton’s total. Neil Albrecht, executive director of the city Election Commission, told the Journal Sentinel “we had some of the greatest declines in the districts we projected would have the the most trouble with ID requirements.” He said four districts of the city with the most “transient, high poverty” residents experienced trouble with people struggling to meet the photo ID requirements. “We had a lot of calls” about such problems, he added.

Ari Berman, writing for The Nation, notes that in this state “300,000 registered voters, according to a federal court, lacked strict forms of voter ID” and that voter turnout “decreased 13 percent in Milwaukee, where 70 percent of the state’s African-American population lives.”

Berman has documented voters disenfranchised in Wisconsin, and there is considerable evidence state Division of Motor Vehicle workers were giving voters misleading information about their right to vote.

Scot Ross of the liberal One Wisconsin Institute, says restrictive voting laws could have turned the state red for the first time in 32 years of presidential elections. “I’d need more data,” he says “but 27,000 votes isn’t all that many when you think about the number of people without ID.”


Murphy?s Law: Did Trump Steal Wisconsin? » Urban Milwaukee


The right whinge shoots itself in the foot when they jump to say these are exactly the people who shouldn't be voting. What they mean is, Democratic Party voters shouldn't be voting. It the old right whinge mantra of Democrats are evil, corrupt, wicked, out to destroy the Right Wing Paradise blah blah blurp blurp.

How do you not have an ID?
the ID's were given out for free you just had to go get one.

You need an ID for everything this day and age.

they were free and easy to get.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

"The phoney electoral college made a laughing stock out of our nation. The loser one!"
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

One question? Buzzz! Try yer luck another.

Because the old guilt trip scenario concocted by the right wing against their opponents is a bust every time. Yet youse guyz never quit with it.

Interesting though to read the stuff youse guyz perpetually come up with -- verge of civil war because if all the votes were counted and HRC turned out as Potus the country would go straight to hell.

No sale.

Try a different line of product and approach. Definitely needs buckets of a cheap cologne too btw.

all the votes where counted she lost.

Demographics, Not Hacking, Explain The Election Results | FiveThirtyEight

you should try reading actual facts.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

I believe your source is one of the fake news sites.


Trump's lead November 10th was 27,257.

Then the several Wisconsin county election boards got caught in their election fraud.


From New York Times:


Mr. Trump’s lead in Wisconsin has narrowed to 22,525 votes, or 0.8 percent.

In Pennsylvania, his lead slightly grew on Wednesday, to 70,010, or 1.2 percent.

As of Wednesday, Mr. Trump’s lead in Michigan had shrunk to 10,704 votes, or 0.2 percent, according to the National Popular Vote Tracker maintained by the Cook Political Report.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us...rump.html?_r=0


I have presented how residents of the four corrupt election commission counties identified on their pc screens that there were more votes than voters. Turned out the citizens were exactly right -- 4,931 phantom votes for Trump that were consequently nullified and subtracted from Trump's original total.

Four election boards made the same same same same "error".

Check the links in the post.


New vote totals in WI as recorded at the Cook Political Report:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...le=true#gid=19
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Yes.

Agreed completely.

Do the whole focking thing over again.

That's what we heard form the losers in 2000.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Yes.

Agreed completely.

Do the whole focking thing over again.

Yes, keep voting until it goes the right way, right?
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

"The phoney electoral college made a laughing stock out of our nation. The loser one!"

It seems more likely to have identified the cry babies.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Yes, keep voting until it goes the right way, right?

The AL Gore approach. "Recount until we win."
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Μολὼν λαβέ;1066593442 said:
It seems more likely to have identified the cry babies.

The cry baby you just quoted is your new president.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Too late to back up now.

Your emoticon of choice can be ambiguous, especially in the context of the circumstances of this election.

You could be saying 'well that's a crazy idea' or you could be saying 'yes, it's so crazy we might have to do what the words in my post say and present as a possibility'.

Bottom line is that you need to be clear whether you think as the right thinks, i.e., that the recount is a steal, or whether you might think along the opposite lines of, yes, recounts may be a good thing toward a resolution.

Nothing personal but Libertarians in general often get quite foggy about things.

LOLOLOL..."too late to back up now"? No, this isn't a verbal or written contract and no one is confused by the emoticon but you. Oh...and Libertarians usually have a better grasp on things than any other group.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

The Republicans once shut down the government because they couldn't have their way.

Why not? Being despicable and dishonest helped Trump win the White House.

False, the Democrats not passing a budget was what caused the shutdown.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Does that assume the electors pledged to Trump actually vote for him? What about this elector insurgency? If even one changes his vote, where would that leave us?

There is no elector insurgency. The only electors doing it are ones that Hillary won to begin with.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

One question? Buzzz! Try yer luck another.

Because the old guilt trip scenario concocted by the right wing against their opponents is a bust every time. Yet youse guyz never quit with it.

Interesting though to read the stuff youse guyz perpetually come up with -- verge of civil war because if all the votes were counted and HRC turned out as Potus the country would go straight to hell.

No sale.

Try a different line of product and approach. Definitely needs buckets of a cheap cologne too btw.

Your "argument" falls flat on its face the second you ASSUMED I was a right-winger. Obviously you do not know who you are speaking to, pssst I am Left of center, meaning I am a Liberal, one of those Southern Conservative Liberals that still believes in serving their Nation, the rule of law and smaller government while also supporting many social issues such as a woman's right to chose, within reason and the right of Americans to marry the person they Love.
As for the election, I am an Independent and did not support trump or Clinton, neither party presented an acceptable candidate in my view.
The election is over, live with it, change it now and the American People will say Hell No, don't like it, too bad.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Trump too is trying -- pretending -- to ignore the whole thing.

Ignore it and it will go away :unsure13:

What would you suggest Trump should do?
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

The Republicans once shut down the government because they couldn't have their way.

That, of course, is one of the "checks and balances" you may remember reading about in school. (Or maybe not.) Congress: "power of the purse." A big stick which was absolutely intended for Congress to have, for exactly the reason you state. And it's Congress which was intended to set the agenda, not the President.

You use it as a rhetorical bludgeon. But it's actually how things are supposed to work.

In any case, you should delve more in the history of government shutdowns, and who has primarily been behind them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdown_in_the_United_States

You may be surprised to find that history began before you started paying attention to it.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

You're making CJ's case for him.

As for phantom votes, liberals and Democrats only credit what they see as illegitimate votes when they're cast for Republicans. Otherwise, they turn their heads and shout "no evidence of fraud here".


It is documented all over the place for decades that in person voter fraud is virtually non existent.

It is Republican Party election fraud that we well know.

GW Bush for Potus in 2000 while his Bro Jeb had been governor and the Bush Family & Mafia were all over the place.

Now 5000 phantom votes for Trump in Republican controlled Wisconsin. At least in WI it's still in the hands of vigilant citizens. Then Republican lawyers will take over, inevitably.

Election Fraud.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

It is documented all over the place for decades that in person voter fraud is virtually non existent.

It is Republican Party election fraud that we well know.

GW Bush for Potus in 2000 while his Bro Jeb had been governor and the Bush Family & Mafia were all over the place.

Now 5000 phantom votes for Trump in Republican controlled Wisconsin. At least in WI it's still in the hands of vigilant citizens. Then Republican lawyers will take over, inevitably.

Election Fraud.

Now the "Bush mafia Family " hyperbolic nonsense.

Get a clue.

Hillary lost. Period.
 
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