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More than half of arrested anti-Trump protesters didn't vote in Oregon

JasperL said:
Yeah, so people are organizing, which is how it works, but there is no evidence in your 'source' of anyone getting paid for anything. Nice lie in the "Truthfeed" headline, which apparently fooled you.
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Now, courtesy of a Zero Hedge reader, we have visual confirmation of how a substantial portion of these professional, paid protesters arrive at the site of the protest, in this case Chicago.

As our reader notes, "I have a video of 5 city blocks on the West side of Chicago lined with busses from Wisconsin (Badger Bus Lines) bringing in protestors. The Sears tower is visible in the background."

The video was taken at 3:30pm on South Canal Street in Chicago on Saturday. As our reader points out, hundreds of the participants that took part in the downtown Chicago protests from November 12 were bused in using these vehicles. Other arrived by train.
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Blocks Of Anti-Trump Protest Buses Caught On Tape | Zero Hedge

 
longview said:
It is an over simplification, 12,000 votes could simply be 12,000 mail in ballots from people who are registered, but do not vote.
A few weeks ago, Project Veritas released videos of people registering voters and saying they made sure to check the vote by mail
box for the democrat voters, only.
The reality is that even if voter fraud existed, under the current rules, we would not have any way to verify it.
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Well, sure we would have a way to identify it. 12,000 in one state to MAYBE swing an election is a LOT of fraud for no one to get caught. If democrats stole mail in ballots, presumably thousands who registered to vote in THIS election showed up and found out someone had already mailed in a ballot on their behalf. But there are no accounts of that happening - at least not more than a handful. And obviously if they mailed in their own ballots, that's not fraud, no matter what Veritas got on video.

It's also possible Trump paid $100 million to get his voters to the polls too - hired people to steal mail in ballots, made a few 100 thousand fake IDs, looked online and figured out who hadn't voted for years and voted under their registration, AND had armies organized to vote as dead people. There is exactly as much evidence for that as the democrats had an organized campaign to steal mail in ballots - i.e. not a shred, nothing, baseless speculation.
 
JasperL said:
Well, sure we would have a way to identify it. 12,000 in one state to MAYBE swing an election is a LOT of fraud for no one to get caught. If democrats stole mail in ballots, presumably thousands who registered to vote in THIS election showed up and found out someone had already mailed in a ballot on their behalf. But there are no accounts of that happening - at least not more than a handful. And obviously if they mailed in their own ballots, that's not fraud, no matter what Veritas got on video.

It's also possible Trump paid $100 million to get his voters to the polls too - hired people to steal mail in ballots, made a few 100 thousand fake IDs, looked online and figured out who hadn't voted for years and voted under their registration, AND had armies organized to vote as dead people. There is exactly as much evidence for that as the democrats had an organized campaign to steal mail in ballots - i.e. not a shred, nothing, baseless speculation.
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And under the current system we would have no way to tell, if voter fraud had occurred.
That should bother everyone!
 
JasperL said:
OK, and we know they are "professional, paid organizers" how again? Who paid them? How much did each of them earn?
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You seem pretty upset that the protests aren't grass roots. I think that is what really bothers you.
 
longview said:
And under the current system we would have no way to tell, if voter fraud had occurred.
That should bother everyone!
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I just explained how we could discover the kind of massive fraud you're talking about. If you want to address my comments, fine, or not, your choice, but why quote me then just simply ignore what I said?
 
coldjoint said:
You seem pretty upset that the protests aren't grass roots. I think that is what really bothers you.
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I don't have any idea if the protests are "grass roots" or not. Someone organizing protests doesn't mean the protests are fake, and someone coming from somewhere in Wisconsin to take part in an organized protest in Chicago doesn't mean that person or thousands of people are "professional, paid" organizers.

What I'm pointing out is you're citing a bunch of sources that are making BS, unsubstantiated claims.
 
JasperL said:
I don't have any idea if the protests are "grass roots" or not. Someone organizing protests doesn't mean the protests are fake, and someone coming from somewhere in Wisconsin to take part in an organized protest in Chicago doesn't mean that person or thousands of people are "professional, paid" organizers.

What I'm pointing out is you're citing a bunch of sources that are making BS, unsubstantiated claims.
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Professional Protesters

Professional “community organizers” fire up local communities to rally behind the causes of whomever is paying their salary. In many Democratic run cities these organizers are a major part of the political machine that drives voters to the polls and steers voter registration efforts. According to Salary.com, a professional community organizer can earn around $39,335 per year in salary. If the organization is well funded they can earn additional compensation in the form of travel and food expenses and bonuses for registering more democrat voters. Large donors like George Soros and other well known left leaning billionaires have been accused of throwing their money behind efforts like BLM, the Occupy movement, and others to advance their progressive agenda.
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Our current president was one of these.
Paid Protesters Behind Anti-Trump Riots - Who is Funding Riots?
 
coldjoint said:
You seem pretty upset that the protests aren't grass roots. I think that is what really bothers you.
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You seem extremely desperate to try and prove that they are being paid, st ejich you have failed.
 
SMTA said:
You seem extremely desperate to try and prove that they are being paid, st ejich you have failed.
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What could I prove about Clinton? I'll leave it at that.
 
JasperL said:
I just explained how we could discover the kind of massive fraud you're talking about. If you want to address my comments, fine, or not, your choice, but why quote me then just simply ignore what I said?
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Let me ask you a question, suppose you had 10 people, party loyalist, who with fake id's could vote in perhaps 10 precinct, per day,
for the 12 days of early voting, and maybe 20 times on the day of the day of the election.
140 votes per person 1400, for the group.
The same morally challenged group could stuff several thousand more mail in ballots.
Unless as in many Illinois counties the votes casts exceeded the population, how would you know?
 
coldjoint said:
Professional Protesters

Our current president was one of these.
Paid Protesters Behind Anti-Trump Riots - Who is Funding Riots?
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Great, another source that makes a bunch of claims backed by nothing. Someone organizing some gathering of people like a protest doesn't mean the attendees are "paid, professional" organizers. Trump and his paid campaign staff "organized" dozens or hundreds of rallies across the country, paid for the space, sent out invitations, tweeted about it, etc. so by your own standard all those rallies attended by thousands of people were nothing but a bunch of "paid, professional" organizers.
 
I noticed during the Ferguson riots that a lot of youth (30 and younger, I am using modern definitions) take part because it is cool to do so, they use these events to build their rep as social justice warriors on social media, and because they want to be part of history. It is not so much different than these tourists who go to Haiti for a week to "help the poor unfortunates". ....although who at this point has not given up on the Haitians IDK....
 
longview said:
Let me ask you a question, suppose you had 10 people, party loyalist, who with fake id's could vote in perhaps 10 precinct, per day,
for the 12 days of early voting, and maybe 20 times on the day of the day of the election.
140 votes per person 1400, for the group.
The same morally challenged group could stuff several thousand more mail in ballots.
Unless as in many Illinois counties the votes casts exceeded the population, how would you know?
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Like I said, it's possible Trump did ALL that.

I'm not really sure what your point is. Mine is simple - what you're describing is a MASSIVE fraud, that would land the participants in jail for many, many years if caught, there are multiple places to get caught (a poll worker knows Joe Williams, that's his neighbor, and that guy sure as hell ain't his neighbor OR Joe comes to vote and finds out he's already voted), and the odds of such a scheme actually swinging an ELECTION (which would be the point) are approximately 0.0000000001%.

And if you envision people making a few thousand fake IDs etc. then I have no idea what kind of measures could prevent such a fraud. Maybe we all get biometric chips implanted in our arms and those are scanned at the polls? We have a bunch of old ladies who volunteer as poll workers responsible for checking retina scans or fingerprints? I have no idea.
 
JasperL said:
Like I said, it's possible Trump did ALL that.

I'm not really sure what your point is. Mine is simple - what you're describing is a MASSIVE fraud, that would land the participants in jail for many, many years if caught, there are multiple places to get caught (a poll worker knows Joe Williams, that's his neighbor, and that guy sure as hell ain't his neighbor OR Joe comes to vote and finds out he's already voted), and the odds of such a scheme actually swinging an ELECTION (which would be the point) are approximately 0.0000000001%.

And if you envision people making a few thousand fake IDs etc. then I have no idea what kind of measures could prevent such a fraud. Maybe we all get biometric chips implanted in our arms and those are scanned at the polls? We have a bunch of old ladies who volunteer as poll workers responsible for checking retina scans or fingerprints? I have no idea.
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While it is unlikely, without voter ID it would be nearly impossible to detect,
So which party has been arguing against voter ID?
 
longview said:
While it is unlikely, without voter ID it would be nearly impossible to detect,
So which party has been arguing against voter ID?
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I'm going to quit. You just quoted me pointing out two ways it could/would be detected, why it's stupid to attempt it (HUGE risks, almost a zero chance of it paying off), and again completely ignored nearly all of my comments to repeat the same point..... :roll:
 
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Doesn't matter if these protests are organized or grass roots, in-state or out-of-state, paid or unpaid, filled with legal citizens or illegal immigrants.

The simple fact of the matter is that, when given the right (and I would argue, the power and responsibility as citizens) to affect the outcome, these people did not exercise their right to vote.

Yet now bitch, moan, destroy, and are infringing the rights of others.
 
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