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Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee...[W:44]

Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

The House essentially doesn't need a reason to investigate. If video of Trump raping little girls 5 years ago comes out, the House can investigate and impeach him for that. And if they can do that they can investigate Trump U or anything else related to the POTUS elect. Up to them.

Well, yeah, they need a legitimate reason. I know your ass is raw because Mr. Trump won, but don't get carried away.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

How about investigations/trials regarding Trump's fraudulent university?

I think that's being dealt with. It was in the papers and blogs. Did you miss it?
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

First of all, even if we can see the quid and the quo, it's that "pro" part that's hard to prove.
Because it may be difficult to prove does not mean the FBI should ignore it.

And if you want to investigate THAT, you can start with any elected representative anywhere who took campaign contributions then later voted in favor of that donor's preferences.
The excuse that well... everybody does it, is also not acceptable. Perhaps that's why Washington DC is a **** hole and why our goernment works for itself instead of for the people it's supposed to represent.

What an investigation like you're talking about would be attempting to do is to criminalize politics for the past 200 years or so. Yes, influence peddling is corrupt, unseemly, all that and more, and it's how the world works. The voters rejected that and elected Trump who promised to change all that, but it doesn't make what she allegedly did a criminal offense, any more than Scott Walker is a criminal for taking or benefiting from a boatload of Koch money, then pushing policies supported by them.
If that's what it takes, yes... rebuke and jail offenders with an R or D, doesn't matter. Either they broke the law or they didn't, either they are guilt or they are not-guilty.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

It's OK when your guy does it?


So much for an intellectually honest approach to politicians who misbehave.....

Do you think it's intellectually honest to try to divert the topic this way?

Rep. Chaffetz says, "This is the largest breach of security, perhaps, in the history of the State Department."

He also said that the pay-to-play investigation is a separate one and also ongoing and that he would be "remiss" in dismissing them and just moving on. And I agree.
Chaffetz Vows to Continue Hillary Clinton Investigations | Fox News Insider
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

All you need is any evidence to support any of that and that's the basis for endless investigations.

More seriously, Trump and the GOP have a big agenda to get through and endless further investigations of Hillary, after a few dozen Benghazi hearings then the email scandal, don't advance that from what I can see.
If we don't start taking down some of the high muckety-mucks, if we never send a message then the corruption continues unabated. Makes us little guys less willing to believe and work for and in the system. A major part of the agenda is, and was, "draining the swamp". Right? What better message and symbol of that, what a chill that will send if someone we know is guilty of violations of law in the email case actually, actually, actually goes down like they are supposed to go down.

The one silver lining in the Watergate situation was that Nixon went down, hard, was forced down. Not electing Hillary was surely a disappointment no doubt, but she didnt go down hard like she should have. WE the people felt robbed that Nixon didn't stand trial, we will be mad if Hillary doesn't.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

I don't want to "take down some of the high muckety-mucks." I want only justice equal and for all. And that includes Hillary Clinton.

There are national security issues here, and so I think investigations should continue and conclude. Why should they stop? As a consolation prize for not winning?
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

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Amerikanskie bybory proshli s massoi parushenni i manipulatsii, oskorbitel'nykh dlia stravogo smysla.
American elections were held with mass violations and manipulations offensive to common sense.

Bylo ochevidno, chto bol'shintsvo amerikanskikh i mirovykh SMI -- pod fakticheskim kontorlem klana Klintonov.
It was obvious that most of American and world media -- were under de facto control of the Clinton clan.

Tak chto esli i upreskat' kogo-to vo vmeshatel'stve v dela pressy.
So when blaming someone, do not start with Russia.

Dlia pobedy Khillari rodilis' vse sredstva.
To win, Hillary suited all means.

Priznaius', v noch' na vtornik, uslyshav pervye resul'taty, ia vykhliuchil televisor i usnul s gor'koi uverennosti v pobede semeki Klintonov.
I confess that on Tuesday night when I heard the first results, I turned off the tv and went to sleep with certainty of victory over the bitter little Clinton family.'
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

We placed the URL above the report but the software tweaked. It can be found in today's Trud.ru frontpage.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

And it should. What she and her husband have done for person gain is beyond disgusting.

How about investigations/trials regarding Trump's fraudulent university?

Did Trump University sell an arm of government for current access and future favors? That's what we're discussing here.

It's OK when your guy does it? So much for an intellectually honest approach to politicians who misbehave.....

Do you think it's intellectually honest to try to divert the topic this way?

Rep. Chaffetz says, "This is the largest breach of security, perhaps, in the history of the State Department."

He also said that the pay-to-play investigation is a separate one and also ongoing and that he would be "remiss" in dismissing them and just moving on. And I agree.
Chaffetz Vows to Continue Hillary Clinton Investigations | Fox News Insider


I don't think I'm diverting the topic, moderator nota bene :p ....

But really, it's an honest question. I want to know how open Trump supporters feel about these ongoing issues/investigations/trials regarding Trump. He may have various legal immunities as President, but that doesn't make any particular thing OK.

I am interested because I've heard so much over the years about how Bill should be jail for various things, about how Obama should be impeached, but not too much about how Trump should be held to account. I tend to doubt the integrity of posts demanding investigation of Clinton unless the myriad issues of her opponent are discussed. Especially so when the OP does no more than scoff at what the Clintons did "for partisan gain", as if that's some kind of unique sin Trump hasn't committed...........




I think some perspective must be employed.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

It's OK when your guy does it?


So much for an intellectually honest approach to politicians who misbehave.....

You evidently don't understand the difference between a civil suit and a criminal investigation.

So what part of the government did trump sell for favors to other people since you are
Asserting that he did?
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

I don't think I'm diverting the topic, moderator nota bene :p ....

But really, it's an honest question. I want to know how open Trump supporters feel about these ongoing issues/investigations/trials regarding Trump. He may have various legal immunities as President, but that doesn't make any particular thing OK.

I am interested because I've heard so much over the years about how Bill should be jail for various things, about how Obama should be impeached, but not too much about how Trump should be held to account. I tend to doubt the integrity of posts demanding investigation of Clinton unless the myriad issues of her opponent are discussed. Especially so when the OP does no more than scoff at what the Clintons did "for partisan gain", as if that's some kind of unique sin Trump hasn't committed...........




I think some perspective must be employed.

Which means you are trying to divert the topic.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

What does that have to do with THIS thread?

If one is defending someone who bragged his entire life about using his wealth to buy political favors such as tax breaks and permits - that's a form of "pay to play" btw - one ought not do it by way of attacking one's opponent for "pay to play." ?



The OP has no credibility if the OP only complains about one.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

If one is defending someone who bragged his entire life about using his wealth to buy political favors such as tax breaks and permits - that's a form of "pay to play" btw - one ought not do it by way of attacking one's opponent for "pay to play." ?

The OP has no credibility if the OP only complains about one.

I noticed you edited my question, as usual. I also noticed you didn't answer the ****ing question, as usual. If you don't want to talk about the OP then skip the thread. Now, again, do you get away with that crap in court, the diversion thing? Wait, let me ask it again, only easier for you to read:
What does that have to do with THIS thread? Do you do this diversion thing in court? Let me rephrase that, do many judges let you get away with that in court?

Because I care an ****.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

Seems a little counterproductive at this point. Hillary lost which was the big point of all those hearings, and she won't be running in 2020, so it seems like a better use of their time to target some other Democrat with endless hearings. Maybe with Ellison proposed as head of the DNC they can hold 12 or 15 hearings on his ties to radical Islam or something productive. Maybe hold hearings on whether Elizabeth Warren is or is not part native American? Important stuff like that.

Watergate was small stuff compared to what Bill & Hillary have done.

They're the modern day version of Bonnie & Clyde with a political twist.

With Watergate, some 43 people were convicted... with Bill & Hillary... it could be that many of those caught in their web of illegalities could be off to El Hotel too.

Time will tell... This should not be swept under the carpet covering The Swamp.

Equal under the law is the expression... I believe. We will find out about that soon... or whether we have Animal farm and "some are more equal than others."
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

How about investigations/trials regarding Trump's fraudulent university?

That is happening. The issue there is determining legally whether it was fraudulent or just unsuccessful. They are working on it.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

How about investigations/trials regarding Trump's fraudulent university?

I love liberals, why not address the statement instead of trying to say, "Well, your guy did it too"! Her loss was the greatest thing that has ever happened in America now run in every branch of our government by Reps because simple Dems can't get it done. Too bad.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

Because it may be difficult to prove does not mean the FBI should ignore it.

So we should have a couple dozen hearings like with Benghazi looking for the smoking gun? The problem is all her decisions as SoS were public, nothing she did raised any eyebrows at the time because the deals approved were with long standing allies, and it's in any event impossible someone put in writing, "Hey, the nation state of X will give your Foundation $4 million, and what we need are approvals to buy 20 fighter jets. Deal?"
The excuse that well... everybody does it, is also not acceptable. Perhaps that's why Washington DC is a **** hole and why our goernment works for itself instead of for the people it's supposed to represent.

The actual argument is 1) everyone does it, and has for a century or two, and 2) it's legal to take contributions and then do favors for contributors. We can all know in our heart they act like barely disguised bribes, but that doesn't convert what is in fact ORDINARY in politics in this era, as distasteful as that IS, into a criminal offense punishable by jail time, which can be the only point of investigating Hillary at this point.

If that's what it takes, yes... rebuke and jail offenders with an R or D, doesn't matter. Either they broke the law or they didn't, either they are guilt or they are not-guilty.

But that's the point - As long as we allow for people to contribute to campaigns, and then the beneficiaries to vote for policies those contributors favor, that is all LEGAL. I wouldn't mind changing the law, but that's what it requires unless you really think Hillary and those who dealt with her (assuming the gist of the allegations are true) left a smoking gun memo lying around that will be discovered in any investigation.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton probe will ‘absolutely’ continue – House Oversight Committee chai

So we should have a couple dozen hearings like with Benghazi looking for the smoking gun?
Not needed -- the FBI is already investigating. If there's something worth pursuing, the FBI kicks it to the DoJ who assigns a prosecutor, who then takes it to a Grand Jury.


The problem is all her decisions as SoS were public, nothing she did raised any eyebrows at the time because the deals approved were with long standing allies, and it's in any event impossible someone put in writing, "Hey, the nation state of X will give your Foundation $4 million, and what we need are approvals to buy 20 fighter jets. Deal?"
The money trail can be linked to actions, those actions can either be consistent or inconsistent with her long history as both Secretary of State or Senator from NY. If there's a direct correlation or indirect correlation it's up to a jury of her peers to decide if she did something wrong.

The actual argument is 1) everyone does it, and has for a century or two, and 2) it's legal to take contributions and then do favors for contributors. We can all know in our heart they act like barely disguised bribes, but that doesn't convert what is in fact ORDINARY in politics in this era, as distasteful as that IS, into a criminal offense punishable by jail time, which can be the only point of investigating Hillary at this point.
I'll stand by my previous statement about this which is politicians should be treated just like any other citizen. The law always strives to be blind and it should be done with Hillary or with any politician regardless position, standing, fame or accomplishment.


But that's the point - As long as we allow for people to contribute to campaigns, and then the beneficiaries to vote for policies those contributors favor, that is all LEGAL. I wouldn't mind changing the law, but that's what it requires unless you really think Hillary and those who dealt with her (assuming the gist of the allegations are true) left a smoking gun memo lying around that will be discovered in any investigation.
There are laws around contributions and those have to be followed. Now I agree that those laws are quite squishy and that's because the same people passed those laws as have to follow them and those laws should be more strict or in some cases, the amounts and types (super-pac's for example) should be made illegal. But that's another discussion.

No I don't think Hillary or her staff would knowingly leave anything that would directly implicate her - which is why many electronic devices were smashed with hammers. But, electronic messages and devices tend to leave a trail much more than readily than paper ever did as Weiner's laptop with 600+ thousand emails from Hillary's server has shown.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Then open up your own thread to discuss it. Stick to the topic or be booted out.

I don't think I'm diverting the topic, moderator nota bene :p ....

But really, it's an honest question. I want to know how open Trump supporters feel about these ongoing issues/investigations/trials regarding Trump. He may have various legal immunities as President, but that doesn't make any particular thing OK.

I am interested because I've heard so much over the years about how Bill should be jail for various things, about how Obama should be impeached, but not too much about how Trump should be held to account. I tend to doubt the integrity of posts demanding investigation of Clinton unless the myriad issues of her opponent are discussed. Especially so when the OP does no more than scoff at what the Clintons did "for partisan gain", as if that's some kind of unique sin Trump hasn't committed...........




I think some perspective must be employed.
 
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