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DNC Staffer Has Meltdown During Meeting, Screams at Donna Brazile For Helping Get ...

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Ockham said:
Because government is rarely (the military is an exception here) held to the same standards of ethics or law than non-government. Look at the IRS, look at the VA, look at the EPA, ... the list goes on and on.
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But that's a bad thing, and not a goal.
I tend to agree in the macro sense, but the difference here is what worked in 2008 didn't work this time. I can't blame the DNC for not using a different playbook when the previous playbook worked so well.
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Perhaps one can't blame them, but after the epic failure, it's hard to say, "These people who presided over this failure deserve to keep their jobs." IMO, the party has a lot of soul searching to do. The sort of gamble here was they tried to really switch places with the GOP with regard to big business and become the responsible, sober, competent party and to the extent they wanted the business community on their side, they succeeded fine. Trump had almost no support from the business 'elites' or the establishment of both parties. The problem is that really DOES leave out as primary the concerns of traditional democratic voters - workers, the poor, etc. I'm not sure how they'll try to focus going forward but it's hard to see that "We are the party of big business" as a rallying cry for democratic voters going forward.

Heck, no one paying attention believed Hillary would take on the banks and we all knew she'd support TPP - after a few tweaks around the edges. It was also impossible to say she'd champion 'labor' interests - that wasn't really a core message - and you can't court the Fortune 500 AND labor - they are opposed.

He was part of that system as an intern... Brazille simply was left with what Debbie left her. The intern's anger is misplaced and I'll say it again, he needs to grow up. It's not enough to simply lay blame, you have to affect change and you do that by changing yourself first. He should look inward, not cry outward about things he has no control over.
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Well, in a few words at a speech given by Brazille, how could he possibly indicate a change in himself. And by questioning the power structure of the org he'd been a part of, he took a risk of burning bridges if he wants a future in the CURRENT democratic party. I don't see a problem with what he did. Besides, what things related to the party can he control besides asking hard questions and leaving a party structure that has lost his confidence?
 
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Henrin said:
If any changes to the system need to happen they need to reflect the reality that cities can quite literally destroy the voice of everyone else around the country. I would also like to see some balance put into states so cities can't just always override the opinion of everyone else in a state every single time. In Pennsylvania for example there is three counties that pretty much always override the opinion of every else.
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Agreed. Virginia has that problem big time. At least 4 different areas and cultures. The beach area, primarily military. Northern Virginia, bedroom community for DC, and the rest of us.
 
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Ockham said:
Actually I blame DWS more than Brazille.... Debbie is the one that cut Bernies legs out from under him and rigged the primary. Brazille simply had whatever was left from that action. If anyone needs to be screamed at with a good tar and feathering it's Debbie Wasserman-Shultz.
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Excellent point. And you're absolutely right. Wasserman-Shultz did royally screw Bernie over and it cost her the chairmanship, but Brazille was the one feeding questions to Hillary during the primary and no doubt during the general election debates since those were over before CNN was so embarrassed they had to sack her.
 
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haymarket said:
That makes no sense.
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Makes all the sense in the world. Without the vote would be controlled by people living in an area less than 10% of the total land. The rest of the vote would not matter.
 
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jimbo said:
Makes all the sense in the world. Without the vote would be controlled by people living in an area less than 10% of the total land. The rest of the vote would not matter.
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So how much extra weight should rural voters get - proportional to the number of acres you own? Maybe 1/10th of a vote more per 10 acres? And why does a farmer in N.Dakota get to cast a vote with more weight than a city dweller in CA, but a farmer in CA does not? Shouldn't we also give that CA farming family more votes if it's control by the city dwellers we're trying to neuter? And not just for POTUS, also for county and state elections I'd think.
 
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Ockham said:
DNC Staffer Has Meltdown During Meeting, Screams at Donna Brazile For Helping Get Trump Elected - Leah Barkoukis



This show me that the intern was too immature for the political process. It's about blame, not about rebuilding, not about America. It's about selfishness... "You and your friends will die of old age and I'm going to die of climate change."

I think this intern should see a mental health professional...
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The first indicator that he was delusional is that he worked at the DNC and expected honesty. It was about Hillary and not about the world or the country. The whole DNC is filled with tainted fruit, starting with Brazile.
 
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haymarket said:
No I do not. His debatable climate predictions aside, the intern is right about many in the DNC helping this defeat and manipulating the DNC in favor of a very weak candidate.

Those are the comments that should be heeded and given attention.
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When it became apparent that the DNC went full in screwing Sanders Democrats accepted the outcome and acted like nothing happened. They got behind Hillary and rationalized why it was okay to screw one of their own over, ethics be damned. Now they have a fractured party with Brazile at the wheel. It really is kind of funny in a karma sort of way. And they all said the Republicans would be the fractured party after the elections. I love irony.
 
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apdst said:
President Trump won. Live with it.
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Another attempt to run from your previous post.
 
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jimbo said:
But it doesn't matter. Rules is rules.
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In debate, which is the central function of this site, proving ones claims matters a great deal.
 
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jimbo said:
Makes all the sense in the world. Without the vote would be controlled by people living in an area less than 10% of the total land. The rest of the vote would not matter.
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You have never proven that claim nor offered any evidence for it.
 
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JasperL said:
Well, in a few words at a speech given by Brazille, how could he possibly indicate a change in himself. And by questioning the power structure of the org he'd been a part of, he took a risk of burning bridges if he wants a future in the CURRENT democratic party. I don't see a problem with what he did. Besides, what things related to the party can he control besides asking hard questions and leaving a party structure that has lost his confidence?
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He could do so by being more mature. A mature person would have internalized and thought before acting - would change one's self instead of blaming others. But all too often the young are driven by emotion and not fact, not contemplation. What he did was misplaced. That speech he gave should have been directed to Wasserman-Shultz.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
Excellent point. And you're absolutely right. Wasserman-Shultz did royally screw Bernie over and it cost her the chairmanship, but Brazille was the one feeding questions to Hillary during the primary and no doubt during the general election debates since those were over before CNN was so embarrassed they had to sack her.
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Fair enough - Brazille did do that and there's no excuse for it.
 
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Ockham said:
He could do so by being more mature. A mature person would have internalized and thought before acting - would change one's self instead of blaming others. But all too often the young are driven by emotion and not fact, not contemplation. What he did was misplaced. That speech he gave should have been directed to Wasserman-Shultz.
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Well, we can disagree. He's a kid (presumably) and so didn't express himself like a seasoned professional, but I agree with the sentiment 100%. Why should the DNC trust the people who failed to lead the DNC going forward. Just as a matter of optics, they should resign or get fired, and new blood take over. I'd especially like to see some of the Bernie type people in there.

Sure, DWS was the face for a while, but Brazille was an ally of DWS, and they were all Clinton loyalists. There were quite a few DNC people who were NOT allies with DWS, and guess what - they didn't get chosen to lead the party. Those people were cut off at the knees.
 
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JasperL said:
Well, we can disagree. He's a kid (presumably) and so didn't express himself like a seasoned professional, but I agree with the sentiment 100%. Why should the DNC trust the people who failed to lead the DNC going forward. Just as a matter of optics, they should resign or get fired, and new blood take over. I'd especially like to see some of the Bernie type people in there.

Sure, DWS was the face for a while, but Brazille was an ally of DWS, and they were all Clinton loyalists. There were quite a few DNC people who were NOT allies with DWS, and guess what - they didn't get chosen to lead the party. Those people were cut off at the knees.
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All I can say is in life, as in politics: You win some, you lose some. I don't agree with his sentiment at all so yes, we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
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JasperL said:
So how much extra weight should rural voters get - proportional to the number of acres you own? Maybe 1/10th of a vote more per 10 acres? And why does a farmer in N.Dakota get to cast a vote with more weight than a city dweller in CA, but a farmer in CA does not? Shouldn't we also give that CA farming family more votes if it's control by the city dwellers we're trying to neuter? And not just for POTUS, also for county and state elections I'd think.
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The current system works for me.
 
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Isnt it interesting that on Monday, the day before election, there were several threads here gleefully touting the demise of the GOP...and all it took was a simple defeat in a presidential election and the sky is falling for the rats. Weird.
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, PoS. :2wave:

If I had the goal of becoming POTUS, H*** YES I would resent Obama coming out of nowhere and *gasp* ruining all my plans, and yes I would be furious about that!

However, to have a second "outsider" plan spoiler coming out of nowhere again eight years later, and winning the nomination, when there were Governors and Senators also vying with each other for the prize, would definitely cause me to stop and wonder about the likelihood of such a thing happening twice, and ponder WTH Karma, or the universe, or angry Gods, or whatever, were trying to tell me! Maybe that I'm not fated to be POTUS? :shock:

*That's just me, though, maybe normal people don't see things that way!* :mrgreen:
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Very true, polgara. People resented the democrats for hoisting Hillary as a candidate and I believe thats the big reason for her loss. Some people just arent liked.
 
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BrewerBob said:
Maybe not the best way to express his rage but his sentiment isn't wrong.

Across the whole country the Democratic Party lost about a as hard as one can lose. They decided to ignore the anti-establishment voices and that giant populist wave heading their way. The DNC is so out of touch with everyday Americans it is ridiculous. Every single person in the DNC should be fired and replaced with non-establishment, even anti-establishment, people. But they won't do that and that staffer who lost his temper knows it.

America wanted an anti-establishment candidate. The Republicans begrudgingly gave us one. The Democrats did not.
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Lol if you think the RNC isn't completely full of establishment candidates. They had several who have been lifelong politicians on stage and the entire party hated Trump every step of the way. Talk about way too much credit for the outcome

He is a billionaire openly promoting a 35% tax cut on the wealthy for christ sakes, how is that anti establishment? Just because he hasn't been in office (in just about every job, being qualified is synonymous with working one's way up), and skipped to the presidency due to his ego, well he did photo ops with the Clintons at the white house precisely because he is a billionaire. He's paid no taxes in 20 years because he is the establishment

Hillary also got more votes than Trump so i'm not buying this doomsday 'out of touch' crap at all. Not that being 'in touch' with the uneducated deplorables is any virtue
 
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Ockham said:
DNC Staffer Has Meltdown During Meeting, Screams at Donna Brazile For Helping Get Trump Elected - Leah Barkoukis



This show me that the intern was too immature for the political process. It's about blame, not about rebuilding, not about America. It's about selfishness... "You and your friends will die of old age and I'm going to die of climate change."

I think this intern should see a mental health professional...
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I like this intern.

He's exactly what the DNC needs *more* of, and Donna Brazile & HRC are exactly what the DNC needs *less* of!

Good for him! :thumbs:
 
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Chomsky said:
I like this intern.

He's exactly what the DNC needs *more* of, and Donna Brazile & HRC are exactly what the DNC needs *less* of!

Good for him! :thumbs:
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I agree - more identity politics, more ignorance and introspection. It will guarantee failure for decades to come! :thumbs:
 
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Ockham said:
I agree - more identity politics, more ignorance and introspection. It will guarantee failure for decades to come! :thumbs:
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Agreed.

They lost the very base that was their core support, and ceded them to Trump. The culture wars are pretty much over, and the Dems prevailed - at least in Constitutional terms. But in the process, they lost the populace economic war that supersedes all cultures!
 
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