The day a college football player stood alone to honor America

The day a college football player stood alone to honor America | Fox News

Connor Brewer is fiercely loyal to his college football team. But he is also fiercely loyal to the United States of America.
So when the Millikin University football team decided to protest the national anthem by remaining inside the locker room – instead of on the sidelines - Connor was faced with a decision.

Would he join his teammates in their university-approved safe space or would he stand on the sidelines and honor America?

Connor chose to stand – alone.

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Gutsy as hell! And showed a lot of class later too.

But the guy who sits alone is a coward and a traitor :roll:

Deuce said:

But the guy who sits alone is a coward and a traitor :roll:

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Yes, because there have been people like the young man profiled in the OP, I am free to call the "guy" you are referring to a coward and a traitor.

ocean515 said:

Yes, because there have been people like the young man profiled in the OP, I am free to call the "guy" you are referring to a coward and a traitor.

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You are free to be a hypocrite yes.

And the young man in the OP didn't grant you that freedom.

ocean515 said:

Yes, because there have been people like the young man profiled in the OP, I am free to call the "guy" you are referring to a coward and a traitor.

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Why would you do a silly thing like that? Do you understand what the word 'traitor' actually means?

This is an issue that is becoming a mess the further we go. The statement being made at one point was protest over an injustice, but now it is becoming polarizing and divisive.

Now that pressure is being applied to be a part of the protest or risk the repercussions of "standing alone," we will end up doing far more harm to the participants of the protest (or not) than actually advance the conversation on the injustice in the first place.

Tanngrisnir said:

Why would you do a silly thing like that? Do you understand what the word 'traitor' actually means?

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Yes, of course. And because there were people like the young man profiled in the OP willing to stand for what was right, a new country was born. This paved the way for me and all others to express themselves under protection of the law.

As such, I chose to express my belief that the "guy" mentioned, based on his protest, is a coward and a traitor. You are equally free to think otherwise.

ocean515 said:

Yes, of course. And because there were people like the young man profiled in the OP willing to stand for what was right, a new country was born. This paved the way for me and all others to express themselves under protection of the law.

As such, I chose to express my belief that the "guy" mentioned, based on his protest, is a coward and a traitor. You are equally free to think otherwise.

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Standing for a national anthem like everyone demands you to is not bravery on par with our founding fathers, no.

And I find it ludicrous for people to suggest that because someone fought and died for your right to protest, you're a traitor if you protest.

Deuce said:

Standing for a national anthem like everyone demands you to is not bravery on par with our founding fathers, no.

And I find it ludicrous for people to suggest that because someone fought and died for your right to protest, you're a traitor if you protest.

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Ahh, logic. It truly is a refreshing breath of air this time of the election season.

ocean515 said:

Yes, of course. And because there were people like the young man profiled in the OP willing to stand for what was right, a new country was born. This paved the way for me and all others to express themselves under protection of the law.

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Yawn. False equivalency, and then some.

As such, I chose to express my belief that the "guy" mentioned, based on his protest, is a coward and a traitor. You are equally free to think otherwise.

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Nah, I just understand what the word traitor means and choose not to use it incorrectly.

You're equally free to do otherwise and misuse it to your heart's content.

Deuce said:

Standing for a national anthem like everyone demands you to is not bravery on par with our founding fathers, no.

And I find it ludicrous for people to suggest that because someone fought and died for your right to protest, you're a traitor if you protest.

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The young man profiled in the OP certainly appeared brave to me. Why do you think he wasn't?

Although likely impossible, you might want to cut through your blinders and note that I didn't suggest people had no right to protest.

I simply pointed out that because of the bravery of others, I am free to call the "guy", a coward and a traitor.

In my eyes, the National Anthem is meant to honor the history and the sacrifice that established the United States of America. To reject the National Anthem is to reject those people, and to me that is the sign of a coward, and a traitor to this principle.

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Tanngrisnir said:

Yawn. False equivalency, and then some.

Nah, I just understand what the word traitor means and choose not to use it incorrectly.

You're equally free to do otherwise and misuse it to your heart's content.

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:yawn:

Let me know when you have something relevant to post.

ocean515 said:

In my eyes, the National Anthem is meant to honor the history and the sacrifice that established the United States of America. To reject the National Anthem is to reject those people, and to me that is the sign of a coward, and a traitor to this principle.

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I should know better than this but...

You do realize that persecution of black people, including slavery, is part of this nation's history as well, correct? You realize treating black people as property, denying them the right to vote through legal or physical means is part of this country's history, correct? You realize that many structures and roadways in this country were built by minorities, correct? You do understand that, in Colin Kaepernick's eyes, black people have also made plenty of sacrifices for this country, but the police and justice systems in America are still prejudiced against black people, yes?

When Colin Kaepernick kneels during the national anthem, he's also honoring the history of this nation and the sacrifices made by many many people. For him to feel minorities are still being unfairly treated, and for him to "reject those people", would be the "sign of a coward, and a traitor to this principle.". You cannot glorify one for what you condemn in another, at least not without engaging in massive hypocrisy.

I'm not saying I agree with Kaepernick, nor am I saying I agree with the way he's choosing to make his statement. In fact, I don't agree with his actions. But for you to call him a traitor for doing essentially the same thing you are holding this other young man on a pedestal for is the absolute pinnacle of ridiculousness.

ocean515 said:

:yawn:

Let me know when you have something relevant to post.

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Your desperate need to bow out duly noted.

Slyfox696 said:

I should know better than this but...

You do realize that persecution of black people, including slavery, is part of this nation's history as well, correct? You realize treating black people as property, denying them the right to vote through legal or physical means is part of this country's history, correct? You realize that many structures and roadways in this country were built by minorities, correct? You do understand that, in Colin Kaepernick's eyes, black people have also made plenty of sacrifices for this country, but the police and justice systems in America are still prejudiced against black people, yes?

When Colin Kaepernick kneels during the national anthem, he's also honoring the history of this nation and the sacrifices made by many many people. For him to feel minorities are still being unfairly treated, and for him to "reject those people", would be the "sign of a coward, and a traitor to this principle.". You cannot glorify one for what you condemn in another, at least not without engaging in massive hypocrisy.

I'm not saying I agree with Kaepernick, nor am I saying I agree with the way he's choosing to make his statement. In fact, I don't agree with his actions. But for you to call him a traitor for doing essentially the same thing you are holding this other young man on a pedestal for is the absolute pinnacle of ridiculousness.

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Why would you assume I am not familiar with the history of the United States? In addition to it's initial treatment of Blacks, it also didn't allow my Grandmother to vote at first.

The National Anthem doesn't celebrate slavery. It doesn't celebrate any of the things that were later corrected by law and action. It celebrates what this Nation stands for, including it's ability to correct those things that later were obviously wrong.

Other Nations have tried to destroy the United States, and men and women of all colors and creeds fought, and even died, to ensure that didn't happen.

To sit out the National Anthem is certainly everyone's right.

Just as it is my right to consider them cowards and traitors to the principles the National Anthem is honoring.

Tanngrisnir said:

Your desperate need to bow out duly noted.

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LOL

So predictable. Do they give classes on that? I just find it tedious to engage with perfidious posters.

ocean515 said:

Why would you assume I am not familiar with the history of the United States?

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I plead the 5th.

The National Anthem doesn't celebrate slavery.

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No, it celebrates American idealism and principles. You want to use it to, for lack of a better term, whitewash things in this country which others feel are a major problem. There's no disputing black people receiver harsher conviction sentences, we have statistics to prove it (though we can argue about why). If the police force and the justice system are not treating all individuals equally, because of a race, then that's far from ideal and it's not something we can just ignore because, you know, a flag and a song. Ideally, all people are treated equally based on their age, race or gender. But the people who kneel feel as if America is not doing its part to reach that ideal, that it's not standing up for the idealism and principles it should have.

It celebrates what this Nation stands for, including it's ability to correct those things that later were obviously wrong.

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But that's the point Kaepernick and others are making. America isn't TRYING to correct the things which are wrong now. Whether you agree with them or not, that is their argument.

Other Nations have tried to destroy the United States, and men and women of all colors and creeds fought, and even died, to ensure that didn't happen.

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Exactly. Of ALL colors. So for members of a certain race to be treated unequally under the law, that's a problem.

To sit out the National Anthem is certainly everyone's right.

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Agree. And it doesn't make them a traitor to exercise their right. For you to engage in such inflammatory rhetoric as to call him a traitor is far closer to abandoning the principles this country stands for than kneeling to bring awareness to an important issue.

I don't agree with Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem, likely for many of the same reasons you don't agree. But I disagree even more strongly with your accusations of him being a traitor, either to this country or to the principles for which it stands. Wanting to make America a better place is not traitorous. And accusing someone of not being American simply because they are exercising a right you acknowledge exists is quite unbecoming.

Slyfox696 said:

I plead the 5th.

No, it celebrates American idealism and principles. You want to use it to, for lack of a better term, whitewash things in this country which others feel are a major problem. There's no disputing black people receiver harsher conviction sentences, we have statistics to prove it (though we can argue about why). If the police force and the justice system are not treating all individuals equally, because of a race, then that's far from ideal and it's not something we can just ignore because, you know, a flag and a song. Ideally, all people are treated equally based on their age, race or gender. But the people who kneel feel as if America is not doing its part to reach that ideal, that it's not standing up for the idealism and principles it should have.

But that's the point Kaepernick and others are making. America isn't TRYING to correct the things which are wrong now. Whether you agree with them or not, that is their argument.

Exactly. Of ALL colors. So for members of a certain race to be treated unequally under the law, that's a problem.

Agree. And it doesn't make them a traitor to exercise their right. For you to engage in such inflammatory rhetoric as to call him a traitor is far closer to abandoning the principles this country stands for than kneeling to bring awareness to an important issue.

I don't agree with Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem, likely for many of the same reasons you don't agree. But I disagree even more strongly with your accusations of him being a traitor, either to this country or to the principles for which it stands. Wanting to make America a better place is not traitorous. And accusing someone of not being American simply because they are exercising a right you acknowledge exists is quite unbecoming.

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LOL

I am grateful to those who came before me, that I might freely express my inflammatory rhetoric secure in the knowledge that those who would try to shame me into silence can be ignored.

ocean515 said:

To sit out the National Anthem is certainly everyone's right.

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Yeah, uh-huh. Somehow I doubt you believe that.

Just as it is my right to consider them cowards and traitors to the principles the National Anthem is honoring.

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And there it is. But why stop there? Don't you really mean that their cowardice and treason is worthy of an ass-whoopin'...that they asked for?

Schism said:

Yeah, uh-huh. Somehow I doubt you believe that.



And there it is. But why stop there? Don't you really mean that their cowardice and treason is worthy of an ass-whoopin'...that they asked for?

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I'm not saddled by the ideological driven actions you appear to be revealing.

Projection may be embraced within your dogma, but I don't condone that type of group think.

Deuce said:

Standing for a national anthem like everyone demands you to is not bravery on par with our founding fathers, no.

And I find it ludicrous for people to suggest that because someone fought and died for your right to protest, you're a traitor if you protest.

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It depends what the protest is for.

Not all cases are created equal.

ocean515 said:

The young man profiled in the OP certainly appeared brave to me. Why do you think he wasn't?

Although likely impossible, you might want to cut through your blinders and note that I didn't suggest people had no right to protest.

I simply pointed out that because of the bravery of others, I am free to call the "guy", a coward and a traitor.

In my eyes, the National Anthem is meant to honor the history and the sacrifice that established the United States of America. To reject the National Anthem is to reject those people, and to me that is the sign of a coward, and a traitor to this principle.

For reference to the information impaired:

trai·tor

/ˈtrādər/

noun

noun: traitor; plural noun: traitors

a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.​

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To me, protesting injustice in the face of backlash is the core of our nation's existence, as American as it gets. A sign of a true patriot. You really think the guys who established this nation are against protesting injustices in the government :lamo

Mason66 said:

It depends what the protest is for.

Not all cases are created equal.

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Convenient way to decide what is acceptable dissent and what is not. Here is the list of acceptable causes and acceptable methods to protest, citizen! Obey or be punished!

Deuce said:

To me, protesting injustice in the face of backlash is the core of our nation's existence, as American as it gets. A sign of a true patriot. You really think the guys who established this nation are against protesting injustices in the government :lamo

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I see it was impossible for you to cut through the blinders.

No surprise.

ocean515 said:

I see it was impossible for you to cut through the blinders.

No surprise.

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What blinders? Why is peaceful protest of injustice so offensive and unamerican to you?