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New Okeefe Sting Exposes Democrats Attempt to Incite Violence

You didn't answer any of my specific questions. You just repeated what was said in the videos! I am talking about things not in the video. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

1. What events does Creamer Organize?
2. What training groups is Scott Foval in charge of? What people are in them? And what plans does Creamer have?
3. What events and what violence is he talking about?? Even if you were to trust a person who constantly changes their name, there are inconsistencies with his statement and financial records of DNC which does not back up the claims.

I have already asked all these questions starting with post 424 points 3 and 4, and pointed out these inconsistencies, so stop claiming that I didn't.

OMFG.... You want details that were not disclosed... Details that do not change what those democratic operatives admitted to on that tape.



Just tap your heels together 3 times and say "The Democrats are as pure as the driven snow", then walk away from this thread.
 
Yes, they are.

NO -I watched it and the information is not there.

Who did Foval and Creamer hire?
How did they pay them?
What rallies did they disrupt with violence?

None of that is in the video.
 
NO -I watched it and the information is not there.

Who did Foval and Creamer hire?
How did they pay them?
What rallies did they disrupt with violence?

None of that is in the video.

Those weren't the questions you asked.


The answers to those new ones are easy:

Those operatives were all framed... The democrats are as pure as the driven snow, so move along people there's nothing to see here.
 
Those weren't the questions you asked.


The answers to those new ones are easy:

Those operatives were all framed... The democrats are as pure as the driven snow, so move along people there's nothing to see here.

There are variations of the same line of inquiry. If you prefer the other questions, fine with me. Here they are from yesterday

1 - Which Trump rally was the site of this alleged violence?
2- What did these democratic agitators do to cause the violence?
3- Who paid them to do so and what evidence do you have of it?

You being sarcastic and absurd does not answer the questions.
 
OMFG.... You want details that were not disclosed... Details that do not change what those democratic operatives admitted to on that tape.

If you say I saw Bigfoot. That doesn't automatically make it true. You need at least some type of story, to back up your claims. The entire point I am making is that the video lacks details and substance to back up what these people claim is happening. That's THE POINT! And that's the point of asking questions!
 
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Lol ! What hearsay ? Its Fovals and Creamers own words.

I swear you O'keefe critics have to be some of the most dishonest people on the internet

No one has corroborated or vouched for Foval or Creamer. No Democrat officials. No sane Republicans either.
In fact they got canned for spreading lies and baiting people and misrepresenting the party, their clients, and their firms.
The appropriate actions were taken concerning these class-A douchebags.

But if you want to continue defending these class-A douchebags, be my guest.
 
No one has corroborated or vouched for Foval or Creamer. No Democrat officials. No sane Republicans either.
In fact they got canned for spreading lies and baiting people and misrepresenting the party, their clients, and their firms.
The appropriate actions were taken concerning these class-A douchebags.

But if you want to continue defending these class-A douchebags, be my guest.



Im not the one trying to marginalize their admissions, that would be you.
 
You didn't answer any of my specific questions. You just repeated what was said in the videos! I am talking about things not in the video. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

1. What events does Creamer Organize?
2. What training groups is Scott Foval in charge of? What people are in them? And what plans does Creamer have?
3. What events and what violence is he talking about?? Even if you were to trust a person who constantly changes their name, there are inconsistencies with his statement and financial records of DNC which does not back up the claims.

I have already asked all these questions starting with post 424 points 3 and 4, and pointed out these inconsistencies, so stop claiming that I didn't.
I applaud you calling for an official investigation to get more detailed information on these apparent illegal activities. Think the DOJ will take it on?
 
If you say I saw Bigfoot. That doesn't automatically make it true.

I want to get your position straight.

Are you saying that a) you believe the operatives caught on tape were lying, and b) you believe that no such events to incite violence were ever planned by them or by democrats, nor do you c) believe any such democratic funded events to incite violence ever took place?

That's a 3 part question that will go a long way in my understanding of your position.


You need at least some type of story, to back up your claims.

They are not my claims, they are the admissions of democratic operatives who thought they were talking privately to political allies, and had no idea that they were being recorded. If they were whistle blowers who went public and accused the DNC and Hillary's campaign of those things, then demanding they provide evidence or proof to substantiate their allegations, would not only be appropriate, but expected.

The entire point I am making is that the video lacks details and substance to back up what these people claim is happening. That's THE POINT! And that's the point of asking questions!

They lack details because what's presented on that video is not a series of accusations, but a series of self incriminating admissions. They aren't accusing impropriety, they are confessing to it.

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Hahaha !!! Explain in detail how it was " doctored ".

Where are the questions they were asked? The rest of the conversations they were having?

If you watched a video of a cop arresting a guy and the internet was claiming he was arrested for absolutely no reason, but you knew the video started prior to the actual arrest, would you not want the rest of the video, the whole video to see if there was more to the it, to show why the guy was arrested?


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1. Are you saying that a) you believe the operatives caught on tape were lying, and b) you believe that no such events to incite violence were ever planned by them or by democrats, nor do you c) believe any such democratic funded events to incite violence ever took place?

2. They are not my claims, they are the admissions of democratic operatives who thought they were talking privately to political allies, and had no idea that they were being recorded. If they were whistle blowers who went public and accused the DNC and Hillary's campaign of those things, then demanding they provide evidence or proof to substantiate their allegations, would not only be appropriate, but expected.

3. They lack details because what's presented on that video is not a series of accusations, but a series of self incriminating admissions. They aren't accusing impropriety, they are confessing to it.

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1. It really doesn't matter what my position is on the sighting of Bigfoot, because:

A. They really could be BSing, boasting, or plain old lying.
B. It's unclear due to lack of evidence what events they are talking about and how exactly they did this
C. It's very unlikely again, because of lack of evidence and details.

2. Why don't you want proof of their claims? If you heard an alien abduction story, while the subject was taped under hypnosis would you automatically believe it because they had no idea they were being taped? To me this just looks like any old firm lying about what they can potentially do for a client.

3. And a confession needs corroboration. I don't think the Democratic Party is smart enough to do anything close to what you are suggesting.
 
1. It really doesn't matter what my position is on the sighting of Bigfoot, because:

A. They really could be BSing, boasting, or plain old lying.

Let's use a bit of common sense and logic and examine that possibility.

First let's establish a few facts about those 3 unedited conversations that I posted from the video:

1. They were from 3 different men. (Creamer, Foval, Black)
2. They each worked for 3 different political groups/entities. (Democracy Partners, AUFC, DNC)
3. They each took place individually at different locations.
4. They each centered around the events at Trump rallies, the groups on the ground at those events, and their personal involvement in those events.


Now let's review what each of them said in those conversations:

Bob Creamer: Coordinates with the DNC, Clinton campaign and manages the planned events at Trump rallies.
Scott Foval: The events require prepared groups of people with "agitator" training, and then names locations of several of those groups.
Aaron Black: Is the DNC "field general" who coordinates with the groups on the ground at events. He cited the Chicago riots that caused Trump to cancel his speech, as an event that they (the DNC) and Bob Creamer were responsible for carrying out. He states that the public can't know about the party's involvement in that event.

When you put all of the facts above together, it seems pretty unlikely (but not impossible) that it was a coordinated effort to lie or deceive anyone. Each person's conversation ties to and corroborates the conversations of the other 2, painting a pretty clear picture that's hard to write off as fictional.

Now if you still believe that no such events ever existed and all 3 of those men fabricated what they said, the following will take that belief from "pretty unlikely" they lied, to "highly improbable" or "no damned way in hell" they lied.

Just ask yourself, "What did they have to gain and what did they have to lose by making those admissions?"

Wouldn't you agree that based on their professions, they all knew that should their admissions be heard publicly, not only would it threaten the democrats in the presidential election, threaten the DNC and threaten the democratic party in general, it would also threaten their careers, their 6 or 7 figure salaries, and quite possibly their very freedom should their admissions wind up in a court of law?

That is a hell of a lot to lose if what they said on that tape were ever made public. With that much on the line, they must have had something pretty spectacular to gain by lying to implicate themselves, the Clinton campaign and the DNC in taking part in organised efforts to incite violence at the political rallies of their opponents... For the life of me, I can't think of anything that could possibly have motivated them to admitting to such despicable, deplorable and illegal behavior, especially if untrue... Can You?

The bottom line is, It makes absolutely no sense at all for those 3 men to fabricate the claim that they are part of an organised effort to incite violence at Trump rallies, when doing so could have such a devastating effect on their own political and personal self interests.

In conclusion, those men unknowingly implicated themselves in inciting violence at Trump rallies, by sharing that information with people they believed to be like-minded political allies. Based on their high positions within the democratic apparatus, what was at stake politically, personally, and financially, and the fact that what each of them said fits together neatly, to paint a clear picture of the operation from top to bottom, there is absolutely no reason for me, or anyone else to doubt the veracity of the statements they made.

This isn't a court of law... Anyone with a lick of common sense and a shred of honesty, knows damned well that those weren't claims or stories told by those men, but confessions.
 
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1. When you put all of the facts above together, it seems pretty unlikely (but not impossible) that it was a coordinated effort to lie or deceive anyone. Each person's conversation ties to and corroborates the conversations of the other 2, painting a pretty clear picture that's hard to write off as fictional.

2. Just ask yourself, "What did they have to gain and what did they have to lose by making those admissions?"

3. Wouldn't you agree that based on their professions, they all knew that should their admissions be heard publicly, not only would it threaten the democrats in the presidential election, threaten the DNC and threaten the democratic party in general, it would also threaten their careers, their 6 or 7 figure salaries, and quite possibly their very freedom should their admissions wind up in a court of law?

4. That is a hell of a lot to lose if what they said on that tape were ever made public. With that much on the line, they must have had something pretty spectacular to gain by lying to implicate themselves, the Clinton campaign and the DNC in taking part in organised efforts to incite violence at the political rallies of their opponents... For the life of me, I can't think of anything that could possibly have motivated them to admitting to such despicable, deplorable and illegal behavior, especially if untrue... Can You?

5. The bottom line is, It makes absolutely no sense at all for those 3 men to fabricate the claim that they are part of an organised effort to incite violence at Trump rallies, when doing so could have such a devastating effect on their own political and personal self interests.

6. In conclusion, those men unknowingly implicated themselves in inciting violence at Trump rallies, by sharing that information with people they believed to be like-minded political allies. Based on their high positions within the democratic apparatus, what was at stake politically, personally, and financially, and the fact that what each of them said fits together neatly, to paint a clear picture of the operation from top to bottom, there is absolutely no reason for me, or anyone else to doubt the veracity of the statements they made.

This isn't a court of law... Anyone with a lick of common sense and a shred of honesty, knows damned well that those weren't claims or stories told by those men, but confessions.

1. Uh it does if you were to actually attempt to think about the fact this was most likely doctored in some way, shape or form. Ever think, each of these conversations were purposely put together to make you believe in a narrative that may or may not be actually happening????

2. Money, New Clients, Power over the most important election race in history, bragging rights, claiming things that they didn't do to make themselves look more important to potential clients. I can add a million more things to this list, but 9 out of 10 times all these one sided OMG WTF How can they do this? Moments of supposed "political corruption", lead absolutely nowhere. This isn't that 10th time. If I were you I would be looking at Wikileaks, and I would if I didn't have my own problems with them

3. See this is your problem. You are actually thinking like they knew that they were on tape and/or were perhaps Republican Plants inside the campaign and activist groups. NO! I think these were just class-A douchebags who were tying to make themselves look like they played a much, much larger role in things than they actually did. Which btw, is grounds to get fired.

4. Again, you are mistaken. These are NOT high profile political figures, these are grunt activists who will most likely be working for another liberal progressive organization next week. No one in the DNC or the Clinton Campaign is even acknowledging that they worked for them in any major capacity anyway.

5. It does if you had any experience in high politics, finance or tech. I see this type of bragging all the time and it's not uncommon for people to have similar narratives and to even claim to have worked together in a much higher capacity than they actually have.

6. That's because, that's what O'Keefe wants you to think!!!!!! If you actually question the nature of the tapes, the questionable things said, the stuff that doesn't add up, and the pure lies, you will begin to understand that what you are defending is shotty journalism, lying douchebags, and pure propaganda at it's finest.

However, if you won't even attempt to entertain the idea that these tapes may have been doctored, considering O'Keefe's history and willingness to lie to you, then I have nothing more to say on the matter.
 
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However, if you won't even attempt to entertain the idea that these tapes may have been doctored, considering O'Keefe's history and willingness to lie to you, then I have nothing more to say on the matter.

Again, you move the goalpost and it's back to "the videos were doctored".

Show me where in any of the 3 conversations I based my post on, that you suspect the video was doctored.

If you can't do that, then you are just flat out making **** up to avoid the truth.
 
Again, you move the goalpost and it's back to "the videos were doctored".

Show me where in any of the 3 conversations I based my post on, that you suspect the video was doctored.

If you can't do that, then you are just flat out making **** up to avoid the truth.

I see you, ignored my question. Yet again. Ever think, each of these conversations were purposely put together to make you believe in a narrative that may or may not be actually happening????

It's up to you take your head out of the sand, until you do. I am done.
 
I see you, ignored my question. Yet again. Ever think, each of these conversations were purposely put together to make you believe in a narrative that may or may not be actually happening????

It's up to you take your head out of the sand, until you do. I am done.

You claim that the conversations I posted from the video were doctored, yet you can't point out where?

The reason you can't is simple... You can not point out something, that does not exist.

The fact that you have to make crap up in order justify your beliefs, speaks volumes about the quality of your character.
 
You claim that the conversations I posted from the video were doctored, yet you can't point out where?

The reason you can't is simple... You can not point out something, that does not exist.

The fact that you have to make crap up in order justify your beliefs, speaks volumes about the quality of your character.

I'm guessing by saying you don't think something exists is your way of saying that you don't think those out of context conversations were put together for the DIRECT purposes of forming a false narrative. I tend to think differently based on James O'Keefe's history, the evidence that I have already pointed out starting with post 424 points 3 & 4 as well as all the other inconsistencies that I have pointed out throughout this thread that have remained unanswered to this day.

if you care to take a look back to answer any of them feel free to and I will be willing to discuss this more with you otherwise. I am done with this topic. Have a good night.
 
I'm guessing by saying you don't think something exists is your way of saying that you don't think those out of context conversations were put together for the DIRECT purposes of forming a false narrative. I tend to think differently based on James O'Keefe's history, the evidence that I have already pointed out starting with post 424 points 3 & 4 as well as all the other inconsistencies that I have pointed out throughout this thread that have remained unanswered to this day.

if you care to take a look back to answer any of them feel free to and I will be willing to discuss this more with you otherwise. I am done with this topic. Have a good night.

So now you are claiming that the conversations themselves weren't doctored, but were positioned in the video in such a way to mislead people into believing something that wasn't true... Every time you are challenged on something you say, you change the narrative.

Well guess what chief, those conversations were not positioned together. They were at random places in the video. I just put them on the same screenshot, also randomly.

Why don't you choose any one of the following and tell me exactly where I got it wrong? Explain how they could be talking about something completely different?

Bob Creamer: Coordinates with the DNC, Clinton campaign and manages the planned events at Trump rallies.

Scott Foval: The events require prepared groups of people with "agitator" training, and then names locations of several of those groups.

Aaron Black: Is the DNC "field general" who coordinates with the groups on the ground at events. He cited the Chicago riots that caused Trump to cancel his speech, as an event that they (the DNC) and Bob Creamer were responsible for carrying out. He states that the public can't know about the party's involvement in that event.

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The only mystery here, is what are you going to pivot to when you again fail to back up your BS?


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Let's use a bit of common sense and logic and examine that possibility.

First let's establish a few facts about those 3 unedited conversations that I posted from the video:

1. They were from 3 different men. (Creamer, Foval, Black)
2. They each worked for 3 different political groups/entities. (Democracy Partners, AUFC, DNC)
3. They each took place individually at different locations.
4. They each centered around the events at Trump rallies, the groups on the ground at those events, and their personal involvement in those events.


Now let's review what each of them said in those conversations:

Bob Creamer: Coordinates with the DNC, Clinton campaign and manages the planned events at Trump rallies.
Scott Foval: The events require prepared groups of people with "agitator" training, and then names locations of several of those groups.
Aaron Black: Is the DNC "field general" who coordinates with the groups on the ground at events. He cited the Chicago riots that caused Trump to cancel his speech, as an event that they (the DNC) and Bob Creamer were responsible for carrying out. He states that the public can't know about the party's involvement in that event.

When you put all of the facts above together, it seems pretty unlikely (but not impossible) that it was a coordinated effort to lie or deceive anyone. Each person's conversation ties to and corroborates the conversations of the other 2, painting a pretty clear picture that's hard to write off as fictional.

Now if you still believe that no such events ever existed and all 3 of those men fabricated what they said, the following will take that belief from "pretty unlikely" they lied, to "highly improbable" or "no damned way in hell" they lied.

Just ask yourself, "What did they have to gain and what did they have to lose by making those admissions?"

Wouldn't you agree that based on their professions, they all knew that should their admissions be heard publicly, not only would it threaten the democrats in the presidential election, threaten the DNC and threaten the democratic party in general, it would also threaten their careers, their 6 or 7 figure salaries, and quite possibly their very freedom should their admissions wind up in a court of law?

That is a hell of a lot to lose if what they said on that tape were ever made public. With that much on the line, they must have had something pretty spectacular to gain by lying to implicate themselves, the Clinton campaign and the DNC in taking part in organised efforts to incite violence at the political rallies of their opponents... For the life of me, I can't think of anything that could possibly have motivated them to admitting to such despicable, deplorable and illegal behavior, especially if untrue... Can You?

The bottom line is, It makes absolutely no sense at all for those 3 men to fabricate the claim that they are part of an organised effort to incite violence at Trump rallies, when doing so could have such a devastating effect on their own political and personal self interests.

In conclusion, those men unknowingly implicated themselves in inciting violence at Trump rallies, by sharing that information with people they believed to be like-minded political allies. Based on their high positions within the democratic apparatus, what was at stake politically, personally, and financially, and the fact that what each of them said fits together neatly, to paint a clear picture of the operation from top to bottom, there is absolutely no reason for me, or anyone else to doubt the veracity of the statements they made.

This isn't a court of law... Anyone with a lick of common sense and a shred of honesty, knows damned well that those weren't claims or stories told by those men, but confessions.

Conversations? Conversations involve two people talking back and forth, not small snippets of a single person answering unknown questions.

Why would they confess to anything though? You are claiming they are confessing to stuff yet we don't really know. Heck the person responsible for taping the "conversations" lied to get inside. She in fact used three to four different names, and had ID and resumes for all those names.

Plus you haven't proven any of those "facts" you posted. You act as if those are established. We don't know that. We know some of the basic information is true but not all of what you posted. We have very little to go off of and most of the info you have comes from edited conversations of people taken without their knowledge and without us knowing what they were asked or what the conversation was truly about.


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