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Trump's 'Proof' Jessica Leeds Lied[W:158]

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Harry Guerrilla said:
I thought proof was required of the accuser?
I guess it is, unless we really, really dislike the person who's the target of the accusations.
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Just look at all they did to Clinton...no proof, just years and billions of dollars worth of "investigations."
 
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cpwill said:
Per your links he has said that the campaign would provide evidence (likely they told him they would), but not actually done what you accused in the OP.

When Trump is bad enough, why lie about Pence?

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Until he denounces this witness I consider him as responsible as Trump.

Why would Pence be touting important evidence if he did not see the evidence himself? At this point, doesn't 100% trusting the Trump Campaign say something about his decision-making?
 
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Geoist said:
Until he denounces this witness I consider him as responsible as Trump.
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:lol: So you were dishonest in the OP because you were eager to smear Pence, and now you're trying to construct an argument from disproof to change the goalpost. :) Okedoke.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
It's the kissing and groping part.
The fact that they were willing and did post fake job adverts should also tell you something to.
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You need better evidence than that. "Kissing and groping" are typical ways women are sexually assaulting.


Don't judge this incident by hatred of Trump.
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I judge based on common sense.

Do I believe Bill Clinton assaulted women? Judging by his past and his character, yes I do.

Do I believe Donald Trump assaulted women? Judging by his past and his character (and his own recorded admissions!), yes I do.
 
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cpwill said:
:lol: So you were dishonest in the OP because you were eager to smear Pence, and now you're trying to construct an argument from disproof to change the goalpost. :) Okedoke.
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There was no dishonesty. Pence was quoted promoting this evidence.

And you missed the part I edited in:

Why would Pence be touting important evidence if he did not see the evidence himself? At this point, doesn't 100% trusting the Trump Campaign say something about his decision-making?
 
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Geoist said:
You need better evidence than that. "Kissing and groping" are typical ways women are sexually assaulting.




I judge based on common sense.

Do I believe Bill Clinton assaulted women? Judging by his past and his character, yes I do.

Do I believe Donald Trump assaulted women? Judging by his past and his character (and his own recorded admissions!), yes I do.
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But do you know what I find much more odd about Trump?

The fact that he keeps talking about how he'd get with his daughter. That **** creeps me the **** out.
 
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Geoist said:
You need better evidence than that. "Kissing and groping" are typical ways women are sexually assaulting.
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Well I think it shows they were already going to run with this angle from the beginning.
People didn't seem to notice the Craigslist ad, only Trump people found it, the media missed it.

Geoist said:
I judge based on common sense.

Do I believe Bill Clinton assaulted women? Judging by his past and his character, yes I do.

Do I believe Donald Trump assaulted women? Judging by his past and his character (and his own recorded admissions!), yes I do.
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I used to believe Clinton did, because everyone said so.
Now I'm not so sure.
Funny how things change like that.
 
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Geoist said:
There was no dishonesty. Pence was quoted promoting this evidence.
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you argued it was Pence touting this, instead of simply Trump. Your own sources demonstrated that you were incorrect. Either, in your hurry to try to smear two men in stead of one, you didn't read your sources or you did read, and chose to misrepresent the information.
 
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Geoist said:
Until he denounces this witness I consider him as responsible as Trump.

Why would Pence be touting important evidence if he did not see the evidence himself? At this point, doesn't 100% trusting the Trump Campaign say something about his decision-making?
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Why should he denounce the witness if he was really a witness?
Do you know for sure he wasn't there?
 
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TheGoverness said:
But do you know what I find much more odd about Trump?

The fact that he keeps talking about how he'd get with his daughter. That **** creeps me the **** out.
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Or how he'd be commenting on a preteen girl and how he'd be dating her in ten years. Disturbing. :shock:
 
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Geoist said:
It was coming. Donald Trump and Mike Pence promised America they had proof Jessica Leeds lied about being groped 30 years ago. Turns out that 'proof' was less-than-credible former child pimp British-man Anthony Gilberthorpe. Just when you thought the Trump Campaign couldn't get any more entertaining. :lamo

Trump Puts Forward A Defender Who Pimped Out Young Boys To High Ranking British Politicians (UPDATED) | RedState
Donald Trump Finds Worst Possible Character Witness To Dispute Assault Allegations | Huffington Post


So these are the kinds of 'credible' witnesses former lawyer Mike Pence loves to tout? Interesting.
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It doesn't make any difference which of the many women lied. They must all be suspect at this point given the timing and hate in the society for Trump. And given the precedent of President Clinton the only thing really important is the question of whether Trump lied or not.
Of course, if this allegations are true, it shines a light on him that makes him as ugly as President Clinton. If he is lying, he is as bad as the two Clintons. All really bad.

But both alternatives are equally bad in this respect. And it wouldn't be the main reason to not vote for Trump anyway.
 
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Geoist said:
It was coming. Donald Trump and Mike Pence promised America they had proof Jessica Leeds lied about being groped 30 years ago. Turns out that 'proof' was less-than-credible former child pimp British-man Anthony Gilberthorpe. Just when you thought the Trump Campaign couldn't get any more entertaining. :lamo

Trump Puts Forward A Defender Who Pimped Out Young Boys To High Ranking British Politicians (UPDATED) | RedState
Donald Trump Finds Worst Possible Character Witness To Dispute Assault Allegations | Huffington Post


So these are the kinds of 'credible' witnesses former lawyer Mike Pence loves to tout? Interesting.
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OK, a third account. Can we have a look at Mr. Gilberthorpe's bank account? Does anyone really believe a beautiful woman would come on to Trump and he'd refuse?

I accept this might create some doubt in the issue, but it is not "proof".

I wonder if Pence and Trump will offer this guy in their promised law suit, so we can see what he knows under oath and his economic situation.

Trump likes power for a reason.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
I think it was stupid for him to use a witness.
He should try to move on or stick with someone or something that is more credible.
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Or Trump should just avoid addressing these allegations altogether.

It's only hurting him the more he does it.
 
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mike2810 said:
Has any of the accusers provide witnesses that back up their claim?
or are we at a "she said, he said".
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That's what most rape cases end up like, one word against another's, because there's rarely any physical evidence.
 
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cpwill said:
you argued it was Pence touting this, instead of simply Trump.
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Not true. Notice how the title of this thread is 'TRUMP'S Proof Jessica Leeds lied.' I decided to make a comment about Pence because, as a lawyer, he should know better.


Your own sources demonstrated that you were incorrect.
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My own sources demonstrate Pence promoting evidence that the campaign had. Whether he knew specifically what the 'evidence' was doesn't matter as long as he fails to denounce it. If he remains silent, then he is promoting it.


Soooo... no comment on the last part of my post?
 
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TheGoverness said:
But do you know what I find much more odd about Trump?

The fact that he keeps talking about how he'd get with his daughter. That **** creeps me the **** out.
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Occam's Razor: it's an obvious result of the objectification of women. It's not because he's incestuous.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Why should he denounce the witness if he was really a witness?
Do you know for sure he wasn't there?
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His history makes him not credible.
 
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Geoist said:
Not true. Notice how the title of this thread is 'TRUMP'S Proof Jessica Leeds lied.' I decided to make a comment about Pence because, as a lawyer, he should know better.
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You accused him of touting evidence that he had not touted. :shrug:

Soooo... no comment on the last part of my post?
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That he's in the middle of a campaign? :shrug: Sure, he shouldn't be trusting Trump at this point - and that's a worthy critique of him. If the Trump campaign tells him that they've got great evidence, and then they run a nutter, well, he's responsible for backing the nutter only if he actually backs the nutter.
 
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