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That is seriously f'd up.
 
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The fact is that the pipeline is being constructed outside the border of the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation - the nearest it comes to the border is half a mile. The ground they now claim as sacred is private property that isn't owned by the Tribe. I do not know what is true in this allegation. There's so much emotion and raw environmental activism tied into this that I don't know if their claim that their survey of the private land yielded burial sites is true or if they made it up in attempt to halt the project. Who I do feel bad for are the land owners. Everyone wants a pound of flesh from them - whether its Dakota Access or the Sioux Tribe.
 
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I've been following Democracy Now's coverage of it... AFAIK they were the only video crew to capture what happened. It's a pretty horrible situation.

There were also legal aspects that the company did not fulfill before starting to bulldoze. I can't remember exactly what it was, but when I read it my eyes went wide.

Here in Canada, any kind of consultation with native groups can sometimes take years if there are burial grounds or archeology sites involved. It doesn't matter if the burial grounds are "sort of close" or in the way of the actual pipeline. How would you feel if a company decided that the oil under a cemetery was more valuable than you having a resting place for your relatives and ancestors?

I dunno... what we're willing to permanently destroy in order to get at oil is becoming more and more drastic. Are we really willing to drill the four corners of the Earth to supply this dwindling energy economy?
 
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From what I heard, the pipeline was originally supposed to pass through near Bismarck, ND. But the citizens of Bismarck complained loudly (and are not all powerless), so the Energy Transfer Partners proceeded to relocate the pipeline to pass through a Native American sacred burial site, since Native Americans are powerless and impoverished.
 
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Northern Light said:
I've been following Democracy Now's coverage of it... AFAIK they were the only video crew to capture what happened. It's a pretty horrible situation.

There were also legal aspects that the company did not fulfill before starting to bulldoze. I can't remember exactly what it was, but when I read it my eyes went wide.

Here in Canada, any kind of consultation with native groups can sometimes take years if there are burial grounds or archeology sites involved. It doesn't matter if the burial grounds are "sort of close" or in the way of the actual pipeline. How would you feel if a company decided that the oil under a cemetery was more valuable than you having a resting place for your relatives and ancestors?

I dunno... what we're willing to permanently destroy in order to get at oil is becoming more and more drastic. Are we really willing to drill the four corners of the Earth to supply this dwindling energy economy?
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I empathize with them but, like it or not, they lost the right to have a say over what happens on that land over 150 years ago. If I were the Judge, I'd order an independent archaeological survey. I'd order the route to be diverted accordingly if it found sites of cultural significance but I'd ok the current route if it only turned up a couple of arrowheads and a few rocks. At this point, we don't know whats out there and I don't trust either side to tell the truth.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
If some of those peaceful protestors had been armed it would have turned out better... sic a dog on my child or pregnant wife and you are a ****ing dead man.
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Would the same be true if your child or wife walked onto someone else's private property and started jabbing the man and the dog with fence posts and flag poles? I'd imagine the better lesson for a child would be don't walk up to the neighbor's German Shephard or a Pitbull and antagonize it by poking it with fence posts and shoving flag poles in its face.
 
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Napoleon said:
Would the same be true if your child or wife walked onto someone else's private property and started jabbing the man and the dog with fence posts and flag poles? I'd imagine the better lesson for a child would be don't walk up to the neighbor's German Shephard or a Pitbull and antagonize it by poking it with fence posts and shoving flag poles in its face.
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Is that what happened? Dog was sitting calmly on a leash and they came up and jabbed it with fence posts? Evidence?

Even then if you sic a the dog on my child I will do what I can to kill you.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Is that what happened? Dog was sitting calmly on a leash and they came up and jabbed it with fence posts? Evidence?

Even then if you sic a the dog on my child I will do what I can to kill you.
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The excitement starts at 4:15

 
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Napoleon said:
I empathize with them but, like it or not, they lost the right to have a say over what happens on that land over 150 years ago.
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That's not how modern land treaties work and anyway that's not relevant. The oil company violated its own rule book when they prematurely began bulldozing without proper authorization.
 
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Northern Light said:
That's not how modern land treaties work and anyway that's not relevant. The oil company violated its own rule book when they prematurely began bulldozing without proper authorization.
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The land in question is not part of the Sioux reservation. It is privately owned so they have no right to be there in the first place - they're trespassing. Its possible that company did have authorization from the owner - we don't know.
 
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Northern Light said:
I've been following Democracy Now's coverage of it... AFAIK they were the only video crew to capture what happened. It's a pretty horrible situation.

There were also legal aspects that the company did not fulfill before starting to bulldoze. I can't remember exactly what it was, but when I read it my eyes went wide.

Here in Canada, any kind of consultation with native groups can sometimes take years if there are burial grounds or archeology sites involved. It doesn't matter if the burial grounds are "sort of close" or in the way of the actual pipeline. How would you feel if a company decided that the oil under a cemetery was more valuable than you having a resting place for your relatives and ancestors?

I dunno... what we're willing to permanently destroy in order to get at oil is becoming more and more drastic. Are we really willing to drill the four corners of the Earth to supply this dwindling energy economy?
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You've been watching a hyper partisan propaganda site's agenda driven bull****? You don't say you're all against the Oil Companies...
 
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I read the first sentence in the link:
"Following Saturday’s brutal attack on peaceful protesters by private security mercenaries and vicious guard dogs acting on behalf of Dakota Access Pipeline interests, it has been revealed the company responsible for construction deliberately targeted documented sacred and culturally significant areas for demolition — and crews likely chose the holiday weekend in order to avoid a court injunction."
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I almost spit my morning coffee over the monitor as I burst out laughing. I suspect the writer flunked Propaganda 101.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
Oil Company Takes Dozers on 20-Mile Detour to ‘Deliberately Destroy’ Ancient Native American Sites
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Ummm.....if you can find some reliable news sites discussing this topic it'd be great.

I clicked the link you provided and the first thing I saw was an advertisement for some site with naked, crotch-shot pictures of Kate Middleton.

So I'm gonna pass on reading anything from that link.
 
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Napoleon said:
The land in question is not part of the Sioux reservation. It is privately owned so they have no right to be there in the first place - they're trespassing. Its possible that company did have authorization from the owner - we don't know.
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Yeah, the authorization question is entirely between the company and the land owner. The protesters have zero say in what happens on that land.
 
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