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Catholic hospital turns away woman bleeding from dislodged IUD[W:259]

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Scrabaholic said:
Abortion has nothing to do with doctors killing their patients and as been explained to you, doctor assisted suicide/dying is the *patient* making the choice. Doctors are not forced to take part.
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You lie. A doctor caring for a woman in pregnancy always has at least two patients.

Any doctor who doesn't understand that isn't one, which is why the scum you support who kill for money don't pass muster.
 
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cpwill said:
Sure. And caving your wife's skull in with a baseball bat is the ending of a marriage.
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YES.

Way to take it to them on their useless, obtuse semantics!

So good.
 
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minnie616 said:
Are you saying all spontaneous abortions ( natural miscarriages ) are the result of a skull being crushed?
That is not only dishonest it is in fact an insult to every woman who had ever has a spontaneous abortion.
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You're the one being nakedly intellectually dishonest by throwing in miscarriages all of a sudden and trying to equate them when you were the only one blathering about them.

It's petty and it's obvious. So much fail.
 
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cpwill said:
No. I am saying that killing is killing, and trying to coerce people with conscience objections to participate is wrong.



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Since when has a doctor or a lay person been coerced into performing a legal abortion?
 
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minnie616 said:
Since when has a doctor or a lay person been coerced into performing a legal abortion?
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Would it be wrong to legally coerce pro-life medical personnel to take part in an abortion?
 
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cpwill said:
Would it be wrong to legally coerce pro-life medical personnel to take part in an abortion?
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If the woman was bleeding out of her V from a bad IUD, no, it would not.
 
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cpwill said:
Would it be wrong to legally coerce pro-life medical personnel to take part in an abortion?
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IUDs do not cause abortions.
There is no reason any doctor should object to removing a IUD.

Myth: IUC works by causing an abortion.

Fact: IUC does not cause abortion.
IUC prevents pregnancy. ParaGard, Mirena, Liletta, and Skyla work by keeping a woman’s egg and a man’s sperm from meeting. With ParaGard, copper repels sperm, so they don’t have a chance to fertilize an egg. The hormone in Mirena, Skyla, and Liletta thickens the mucus in the cervix, and that keeps sperm from reaching the uterus.
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Patient Fact Sheet: Dispelling Common Myths About Intrauterine Contraception
 
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cpwill said:
For those who object to infanticide, being coerced into abortion absolutely involves being forced to kill.

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Abortion is not infanticide. And once again, doctors are not forced to perform abortions.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
wow



This is deplorable - doctors, none of them, would help her because they are ALL affiliated with Mercy? That's just beyond ****ing stupid.

Religion needs to get the hell out of healthcare.
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Did you ask yourself how she got the IUD in the first place if this person was her regular doctor? The story smells completely bogus.
 
sangha said:
We're talking about removing an iud. No one is being killed and no doctor is forced to perform abortions unless it's an emergency
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The hospital is on record as saying she was offered IUD removal and left because that isnt the option she wanted.
 
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backpacker said:
Did you ask yourself how she got the IUD in the first place if this person was her regular doctor? The story smells completely bogus.
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People move...in the lawsuit it explains in 17 and 18 that she had inserted in 1212 than moved away to the Chicago in 2013 area after having the IUD put in and in 2015 she had the bleeding from the IUD and sought help.


The ACLU filed a lawsuit it's in 17 and 18 of page 3,the lawsuit.

http://www.aclu-il.org/wp-content/u...ed-Charge-of-Discrimination-Melanie-Jones.pdf
 
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minnie616 said:
The lawsuit does not say that.
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But the hospital does.

"Melanie Jones, 28, slipped and fell in her bathroom, dislodging her copper IUD to the point that it needed removal. She visited her doctor at Mercy Medical Group at Dearborn Station, an off-site location of Chicago's Mercy Hospital and Medical Center.

She claimed her doctor said she could not remove the IUD due to the hospital's policy of following the U.S. Catholic bishop’s ethical and religious directives for health care. Jones said the doctor also told her that every other hospital in her network followed the same restrictions.

Jones then filed a complaint with the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois against the hospital.

However, representative from Mercy Hospital told CNA on Sept. 6 that the woman’s claim “has no merit” and that the doctors at Mercy Hospital offered to remove the woman’s IUD, but Jones declined.

“This claim has no merit. The treatment Ms. Jones received at Mercy was entirely consistent with the standards of high-quality care,” Martin E. Folan, the director of mission and spirituality at Mercy Hospital and Medical Center told CNA in e-mail comments.

“Mrs. Jones described to our clinical team a dislodged or troublesome IUD. When our Mercy physician followed our protocol and offered to remove the IUD, Ms. Jones declined the removal and left the clinic.”

The ACLU has long opposed Catholic hospitals operating according to Catholic teaching. The group continually files claims against Catholic hospitals for following Church teaching in their practices."

I reckon you have already decided who you believe.
 
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backpacker said:
That isn't a lawsuit.
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Sorry, my mistake.

It was a Civil rights violation that was filed.

Still the woman had the IUD inserted in 2012 , moved to another area in 2013 , bought new health insurance in 2015 so later in the year when she started bleeding she saw a different doctor than the one who inserted the IUD.
 
VanceMack said:
But the hospital does.

"Melanie Jones, 28, slipped and fell in her bathroom, dislodging her copper IUD to the point that it needed removal. She visited her doctor at Mercy Medical Group at Dearborn Station, an off-site location of Chicago's Mercy Hospital and Medical Center.

She claimed her doctor said she could not remove the IUD due to the hospital's policy of following the U.S. Catholic bishop’s ethical and religious directives for health care. Jones said the doctor also told her that every other hospital in her network followed the same restrictions.

Jones then filed a complaint with the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois against the hospital.

However, representative from Mercy Hospital told CNA on Sept. 6 that the woman’s claim “has no merit” and that the doctors at Mercy Hospital offered to remove the woman’s IUD, but Jones declined.

“This claim has no merit. The treatment Ms. Jones received at Mercy was entirely consistent with the standards of high-quality care,” Martin E. Folan, the director of mission and spirituality at Mercy Hospital and Medical Center told CNA in e-mail comments.

“Mrs. Jones described to our clinical team a dislodged or troublesome IUD. When our Mercy physician followed our protocol and offered to remove the IUD, Ms. Jones declined the removal and left the clinic.”

The ACLU has long opposed Catholic hospitals operating according to Catholic teaching. The group continually files claims against Catholic hospitals for following Church teaching in their practices."

I reckon you have already decided who you believe.
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Please post the link.
 
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DiAnna said:
Yes, because only women would be in a situation where they were bleeding from an IUD device and the Catholic Church-affiliated medical institution refused to treat her for religious reasons.

Woman claims Mercy Hospital doctor refused to remove IUD for religious reasons | abc7chicago.com



I imagine Mercy Hospital could show they were non-biased in their refusal to treat her if they could prove that they also refused to treat a man (or men) who required emergency care after a vasectomy incision ruptured, but short of that being denied medical care on a religious basis is pretty much a female problem.

It's an extremely long PDF, but the bottom line is that she was suffering an emergency condition, and they refused to treat her because having an IUD was against their religious beliefs. When any medical professional will turn away a bleeding woman in crisis due to religion, that's a big red flag to me. A BIG one.
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What the "Christians" at this hospital did reminds me of a story from the gospel. The story of Jesus healing the man on the sabbath.

"Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.”

4 Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus."

They forgo saving someone for the sake of "keeping with the law." Little do they seem to know that the spirit of said law is love for not only one's self but for one's neighbor, and that love seems to be something that is lacking in this hospital. Whatever, maybe I'm just part of the "not-real-christians" to these people.
 
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Top Cat said:
What would Christ do?
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Heal those in need on the sabbath, much to the chagrin of the "law-abiding" pharisees.
 
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minnie616 said:
Sorry, my mistake.

It was a Civil rights violation that was filed.

Still the woman had the IUD inserted in 2012 , moved to another area in 2013 , bought new health insurance in 2015 so later in the year when she started bleeding she saw a different doctor than the one who inserted the IUD.
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the confusion has to do with how the original article is written saying she went to see "her doctor" when the doctor she went to see apparently did not know her from Eve.
 
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