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New Concerns Arise About Mental Health Of College Students

CaptainCourtesy said:
Wasn't quite that harsh for us. However, showing the work could often get you partial credit even if the answer was wrong... and NOT showing the work would often be an automatic wrong answer and an accusation of cheating.
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That's sort of how it was at my high school. You could still use a calculator, but had to show your work otherwise you wouldn't get credit for the problem.

But when it comes to cheating, they hand out 4 different versions of the test so no one can copy off of the person next to them.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Not sure what you mean.
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I was 50 when we deployed last time. I had 51 people from 19 to 34. Several of my people had marital problems, some just wanted to screw each other over for promotions, some just whined about every little freaking thing. On top of that we had senior NCOs that we couldn't have in the same room without fist fights. I had situations that ranged from suicide because his wife was cheating back home to a guy that assaulted another guy because he was caught masturbating. I tried to retire when we got back. They even messed that up and that took two years. I don't have much patience for stupid situations or drama anymore.
 
TheGoverness said:
That's sort of how it was at my high school.
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Oh, I thought you were still in high school.

You could still use a calculator, but had to show your work otherwise you wouldn't get credit for the problem.
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I guess that makes sense.

But when it comes to cheating, they hand out 4 different versions of the test so no one can copy off of the person next to them.
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When I was in high school, the teachers never did that. One test, not only for the entire class, but sometimes for all the sections of the same class. Still, cheating rarely happened.
 
TheGoverness said:
That's sort of how it was at my high school. You could still use a calculator, but had to show your work otherwise you wouldn't get credit for the problem.

But when it comes to cheating, they hand out 4 different versions of the test so no one can copy off of the person next to them.
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I got the paddle 4 times in my sophomore year of high school.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I was 50 when we deployed last time. I had 51 people from 19 to 34. Several of my people had marital problems, some just wanted to screw each other over for promotions, some just whined about every little freaking thing. On top of that we had senior NCOs that we couldn't have in the same room without fist fights. I had situations that ranged from suicide because his wife was cheating back home to a guy that assaulted another guy because he was caught masturbating. I tried to retire when we got back. They even messed that up and that took two years. I don't have much patience for stupid situations or drama anymore.
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I work with teenagers. The people you describe sound less mature than the teens I work with.
 
NonoBadDog said:
New Concerns Arise About Mental Health Of College Students « CBS Boston


I can't get my head around this. Is this a new phenomena or did we just not know it and grew through it?
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Everybody has willfully ignored the problem for different reasons, and with different levels of effort expended to make sure that our lying to ourselves does not interfere with the quality of our day. These young people were often down-right prevented from getting ready to deal with life (AKA "growing up" in the old dictionary's) , and now we are all ****ed.

Weak and stupid dont cut it, never has and never will.

:bomb:
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I work with teenagers. The people you describe sound less mature than the teens I work with.
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Some were. It was the 10% rule. 10% suck up 90% of your time. The rest were kick ass. Some had legitimate problems that they needed help with and that made a lot of the extra hours worth it.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Oh, I thought you were still in high school.
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Nope. Graduated from HS last school year.

When I was in high school, the teachers never did that. One test, not only for the entire class, but sometimes for all the sections of the same class. Still, cheating rarely happened.
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Well cheating happened a whole lot at my high school. People would just take pictures of other people's homework and class assignments, and just copy them down.

But when it comes to test it's pretty hard for people to cheat, and if they do, it usually tends to be the wrong version they are cheating off of.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Some were. It was the 10% rule. 10% suck up 90% of your time. The rest were kick ass. Some had legitimate problems that they needed help with and that made a lot of the extra hours worth it.
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I can agree with that. Seems like it's always the case. Most people require very little attention. Then there are the few who take up most of your time, often needlessly.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Oh yeah. Skipped school and fighting in the hall.
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Well where I went, they'll just send you too truancy court if you have to many absences.

And if you get into a fight, they'll just send you to ISS (In School Suspension).

I only ever went to ISS once, because I refused to give up my phone to the teacher, which is considered to be insubordination.

I never got into a fight myself, but I've seen my fair share of fights during school.
 
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NonoBadDog said:
I was 50 when we deployed last time. I had 51 people from 19 to 34. Several of my people had marital problems, some just wanted to screw each other over for promotions, some just whined about every little freaking thing. On top of that we had senior NCOs that we couldn't have in the same room without fist fights. I had situations that ranged from suicide because his wife was cheating back home to a guy that assaulted another guy because he was caught masturbating. I tried to retire when we got back. They even messed that up and that took two years. I don't have much patience for stupid situations or drama anymore.
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Sounds like my wifes last unit, though they had attempted fratricide as well. Too bad the Company Commander was one of the worst offenders of stupid and/or drama.

tangent over
 
TheGoverness said:
Nope. Graduated from HS last school year.
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Oh, OK.

Well cheating happened a whole lot at my high school. People would just take pictures of other people's homework and class assignments, and just copy them down.
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No cell phones in my day... but if there were, I'm sure that would have happened. Some of the teens I work with do that. When I was in high school, if you wanted to cheat, you got to school early and just copied it from someone.

But when it comes to test it's pretty hard for people to cheat, and if they do, it usually tends to be the wrong version they are cheating off of.
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Eh, I suppose cheating was easier when I was in high school, but it seemed rare. Could have just been the peer group of which I belonged.
 
The attention problems stem from our over stimulated society. My generation grew up when technology was really starting to boom. It's much easier to be by yourself studying, and then playing an internet game to take a break, then back to studying, than going out and meeting people. There were some born extroverts, but a lot of the time I could sense that people didn't know what to do and were very anxious.

Fist I wanted to say, if you read parts of the DSM-V everyone has a disorder. It's stupid.

Second, I was one of those 50 to 60 percent that just had a plethora of problems assimilating to college life. All the pot smoking quickened the pace when my disorders hit, and it hit right before college. I was dumb to go to college regardless. I was so socially anxious I constantly drank beer to deal with the anxiety, which made it difficult to go to class, and then when I did, I couldn't learn cause I was so drowned in alcohol. People saw me as this social butterfly, but I was just so scared of anyone rejecting me that I talked with everyone to not be rejected. Then there is insomnia which I deal with to this day. It's brutal. Among a major disorder that I don't feel comfortable sharing. All this happened around 18 on my first semester of college. I had to drop out.

I don't agree that it is 50-60 percent, however I shared that to show that there are some people that really struggle when they go off to college. People told me around 2005, that 40 percent of the freshman class dropout of college. Part of the problem with how I was raised, and not necessarily on the shoulders of my parents, or at least all of it. I come from a very tight nit community, and I was in the same community my entire life. My best friend I met when I was 4. I have great friends I made in elementary and middle school. I grew up with these people. So when it came to making new friends when I was 18, I had no effing clue how. And I so desperately wanted that group of friends that I had in high school. But what I should of done was studied and become closer friends with my roommate, he was cool as hell.

A lot of kids have problems. A lot don't. But I really doubt it is 50-60 percent.
 
I notice that a 2012 survey of those who admitted that they had a mental issue in University turned up with only 16% of the respondents being male, which they did their best to explain a way with :

*Women are 2 times more likely than men to experience depression during their lifetime. Depression is the highest
represented mental health condition among survey respondents, which might help to explain the high percentage of women
who responded to the survey when compared with men. It is also likely that women are more comfortable sharing information
about their mental health needs. In either case, the responses and issues raised are quite consistent among survey
respondents regardless of whether they are female or male.
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https://www.nami.org/getattachment/...-Survey-Report-on-Mental-Health-NAMI-2012.pdf

I think women make up about 55% of the student body (it would be a lot higher if men were not brought in and often set up to fail in affirmative action programs) so it sure seems like women have by far the most mental problems at University.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I notice that a 2012 survey of those who admitted that they had a mental issue in University turned up with only 16% of the respondents being male, which they did their best to explain a way with :


https://www.nami.org/getattachment/...-Survey-Report-on-Mental-Health-NAMI-2012.pdf

I think women make up about 55% of the student body (it would be a lot higher if men were not brought in and often set up to fail in affirmative action programs) so it sure seems like women have by far the most mental problems at University.
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Actually, there is a different reason why the statistics for women having mental health issues are skewed. Women are far more likely to seek help for mental illness issues than men. It's a societal thing where it is acceptable for women to admit to being depressed, but not acceptable for men to do so.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Actually, there is a different reason why the statistics for women having mental health issues are skewed. Women are far more likely to seek help for mental illness issues than men. It's a societal thing where it is acceptable for women to admit to being depressed, but not acceptable for men to do so.
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That is one of the theories that they point out. I dont know that it is a factual statement, as young men have been well trained to cry and play the victim.

We need to KNOW what the real situation is, and we can find out, if we want to.

So far we dont.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Sounds like my wifes last unit, though they had attempted fratricide as well. Too bad the Company Commander was one of the worst offenders of stupid and/or drama.

tangent over
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Our CO was an idiot. I was constantly on his butt about putting out erroneous information. One night I finally went off on him. It wasn't "disrespectful" but it was blunt and honest. He avoided me after that, which was a good thing.
 
All my life people have been suggesting that I see a psychiatrist.


I'M NOT CRAZY!
 
NonoBadDog said:
New Concerns Arise About Mental Health Of College Students « CBS Boston


I can't get my head around this. Is this a new phenomena or did we just not know it and grew through it?
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There's nothing sexier than psychobabble.

It amazes me to think I actually survived college in the 1980s. Between the coke, shrooms, "speed"ing through exams, sneaking back across campus after a drunken one night stand and hoping nobody would notice you were wearing the same clothes at the frat party the night before, fear of getting smacked by your parents if you didn't make Dean's List, and having to actually know how to spell because your Brother manual typewriter didn't have a spell check, I tell you....
 
TheGoverness said:
Wha? You couldn't use calculators?
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I had lots of math classes that forbade calculators because modern graphing calculators could often directly solve the problems.

Ordinary differential equations, complex variables, etc.
 
NonoBadDog said:
New Concerns Arise About Mental Health Of College Students « CBS Boston


I can't get my head around this. Is this a new phenomena or did we just not know it and grew through it?
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Well... Couple things here...

I don't know what "attentional problems" are but i suppose that could be ADD and/or ADHD related ? And i don't understand why "break-up" is on there, that seems like a healthy thing for many people.

I think people have always faced challenges, and there are many challenges people face where head doctors could help many of those people better manage those problems. That doesn't mean that all of those people who suffer are incapable of managing their own problems.

The fact of the matter is that essentially all human beings are walking wounded, generally but not monotonically accumulating pain until the idea of death is openly embraced.
 
...Since when is life a psychiatric disorder? Going through a break-up is a psychiatric disorder? Really?

We already have a big enough problem with real psychiatric disorders. We don't need to invent more.
 
Absentglare said:
Well... Couple things here...

I don't know what "attentional problems" are but i suppose that could be ADD and/or ADHD related ? And i don't understand why "break-up" is on there, that seems like a healthy thing for many people.

I think people have always faced challenges, and there are many challenges people face where head doctors could help many of those people better manage those problems. That doesn't mean that all of those people who suffer are incapable of managing their own problems.

The fact of the matter is that essentially all human beings are walking wounded, generally but not monotonically accumulating pain until the idea of death is openly embraced.
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I have suffered a lot of pain but I never thought about it as something I accumulated. I don't take much to heart anymore. I don't believe what people (in general) tell me much anymore. I have good friends that are blunt about what they think. Maybe as we get older we learn to filter out the **** better. I am really happier now than I ever was.
 
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