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Trump campaign cheif Steve Bannon is registered to vote at vacant Florida home

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rocket88 said:
And actually, I'm fine with ID. The problem I have with the laws is that the "problem" they're trying to fix is Democrats winning elections. It's never as simple as showing ID, it's "Well this ID doesn't count, and this one doesn't count...." I say make everybody type in the last 4 if their SSN into the computer. All citizens have an SSN, right? It works as far as the bank is concerned to verify who I am.
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That might be a viable approach. However, with elections so close, it's understandable a more secure method to insure a vote is legitimate, should not be viewed as an attempt to thwart voting.

The last four digits of a SSN could be given by anyone.

At the end of the day, arguments on both side of the issue of voter ID, etc., have boiled down to nothing more than rhetoric and race baiting. Pretty sad.
 
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ocean515 said:
That might be a viable approach. However, with elections so close, it's understandable a more secure method to insure a vote is legitimate, should not be viewed as an attempt to thwart voting.

The last four digits of a SSN could be given by anyone.

At the end of the day, arguments on both side of the issue of voter ID, etc., have boiled down to nothing more than rhetoric and race baiting. Pretty sad.
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I'm all in favor of a secure vote. I just don't see any ID laws that seek to make that happen.

I don't think drivers licenses are very secure, and I don't see any efforts to create a secure ID.
 
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rocket88 said:
I'm all in favor of a secure vote. I just don't see any ID laws that seek to make that happen.

I don't think drivers licenses are very secure, and I don't see any efforts to create a secure ID.
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It seems to me there may be something that could relate to healthcare ID. With ID being critical to receiving proper medical care, and transportability of records part of the new mandates, it seems to me such forms of ID may be a way to go.
 
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rocket88 said:
So it doesn't bother you at all. Don't want to hear from you about "voter fraud" after the electio though.
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This doesn't have anything to do with voter fraud. Really! Think about it. ONE VOTE! Has every thing to do with avoiding his home state's income tax. Wonder where he really lives. If Illinois, he'd save 5% of his income. Not small potatoes.

There's plenty of voter fraud. We should have to show IDs.
 
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MaggieD said:
This doesn't have anything to do with voter fraud. Really! Think about it. ONE VOTE! Has every thing to do with avoiding his home state's income tax. Wonder where he really lives. If Illinois, he'd save 5% of his income. Not small potatoes.

There's plenty of voter fraud. We should have to show IDs.
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And when there's an ID law that isn't actually a "rig the system in our favor" law....

I'm fine with ID's. But it won't keep Democrats from winning elections, so we'll be on to the next thing to "protect our vote."

Your reasoning on the fraud sounds like a Democrat, btw.
 
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rocket88 said:
And when there's an ID law that isn't actually a "rig the system in our favor" law....

I'm fine with ID's. But it won't keep Democrats from winning elections, so we'll be on to the next thing to "protect our vote."
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I don't necessarily disagree. Can't imagine what the next thing would be, though. Common sense. There's such a lack of it.
 
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apdst said:
The Libbos say that voter fraud doesn't exist.
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The "libbos" - backed by all available evidence - say that voter fraud is ALMOST nonexistent. This WaPo investigator found 31 individual possible cases - not hard-and-fast cases, but possible cases - out of over one BILLION votes cast since 2000. Furthermore:

Second, the court said that ID laws can help stop fraud. It then cited an example of recent fraud … that ID laws aren’t designed to stop. Specifically, it mentioned a case in which a supporter of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker was charged with 13 counts of election fraud, including "registering to vote in more than one place, voting where he didn't live, voting more than once in the same election, and providing false information to election officials," according to an account by Talking Points Memo. Wisconsin's ID law would not likely have prevented any of the alleged violations.

This sort of misdirection is pretty common, actually. Election fraud happens. But ID laws are not aimed at the fraud you’ll actually hear about. Most current ID laws (Wisconsin is a rare exception) aren’t designed to stop fraud with absentee ballots (indeed, laws requiring ID at the polls push more people into the absentee system, where there are plenty of real dangers). Or vote buying. Or coercion. Or fake registration forms. Or voting from the wrong address. Or ballot box stuffing by officials in on the scam. In the 243-page document that Mississippi State Sen. Chris McDaniel filed on Monday with evidence of allegedly illegal votes in the Mississippi Republican primary, there were no allegations of the kind of fraud that ID can stop.

In other words, yet another case of a Republican doing it. But more importantly, look at the second paragraph - voter ID laws pretty much only stop "in-person" voter fraud...which is ALMOST non-existent when compared to the total number votes cast.

As everyone knows - but as conservatives refuse to admit - voter ID laws isn't about stopping voter fraud, but is about trying to minimize the number of liberal voters. In a unanimous decision concerning the NC voter ID law, the federal appeals court found:

“The new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision” and “impose cures for problems that did not exist,” Judge Diana Gribbon Motz wrote for the panel. “Thus the asserted justifications cannot and do not conceal the State’s true motivation.”

We all know what the voter ID laws are about. Y'all just don't want to admit it.
 
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Rico Suave said:
As a reasonable person and a Florida resident I find this VERY troubling
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As a florida resident you should know iys a common problem we have with all the snow birds. Many of them vote in two states.

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MaggieD said:
This doesn't have anything to do with voter fraud. Really! Think about it. ONE VOTE! Has every thing to do with avoiding his home state's income tax. Wonder where he really lives. If Illinois, he'd save 5% of his income. Not small potatoes.

There's plenty of voter fraud. We should have to show IDs.
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There is not "plenty" of voter fraud. In-person voter impersonation (the kind that ID laws would actually stop) is incredibly rare. Much more common is the sort of voter fraud not stopped by ID laws. And yet, no conservatives howling about absentee ballots. (coincidentally, absentee ballots lean slightly conservative)

Seeing as how voting is the single fundamental right in a democracy, we should treat any attempt to make voting harder with extreme skepticism. You have to show me there's a substantial problem before I support any efforts that might turn away legitimate voters.
 
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apdst said:
The Libbos say that voter fraud doesn't exist.
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No, we say it's very rare. How many times do you have to be told this?
 
rocket88 said:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/26/steve-bannon-florida-registered-vote-donald-trump

"registered to vote in a key swing state at an empty house where he does not live, in an apparent breach of election laws."

No wonder they're worried about voter fraud!
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Right, but of course it's racist to ask for picture ID. Really, you and your ilk don't have a leg to stand on with regard to voter fraud. You favor it. You should be cheering this. IF it's even true, which is a BIG if.
 
countryboy said:
Right, but of course it's racist to ask for picture ID. Really, you and your ilk don't have a leg to stand on with regard to voter fraud. You favor it. You should be cheering this. IF it's even true, which is a BIG if.
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It's racist to target ID laws at minorities.
 
Deuce said:
It's racist to target ID laws at minorities.
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There are no ID laws targeted at minorities. What's racist, is to imply minorities are far too stupid to secure identification for themselves.
 
Chief.

It's spelled, 'chief'.
(Not cheif.)

Just saying.....
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countryboy said:
There are no ID laws targeted at minorities.
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The recent court case proves otherwise. You should familiarize yourself with it.

What's racist, is to imply minorities are far too stupid to secure identification for themselves.
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You're the only one implying that.
 
Deuce said:
The recent court case proves otherwise. You should familiarize yourself with it.


You're the only one implying that.
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It proves nothing. Are you suggesting courts never make bad decisions? Anyone who actually believes requiring ID to vote is racist, is a blithering idiot, and likely a racist POS.
 
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Deuce said:
There is not "plenty" of voter fraud. In-person voter impersonation (the kind that ID laws would actually stop) is incredibly rare. Much more common is the sort of voter fraud not stopped by ID laws. And yet, no conservatives howling about absentee ballots. (coincidentally, absentee ballots lean slightly conservative)

Seeing as how voting is the single fundamental right in a democracy, we should treat any attempt to make voting harder with extreme skepticism. You have to show me there's a substantial problem before I support any efforts that might turn away legitimate voters.
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Nothing you've said here changes my mind. We should have yo show IDs to vote.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
It was the same thing with Ann Coulter back in 2008 (or was it 2012?). Of course, they're Real American Conservatives, so voter fraud laws don't apply to them.

But since they get away with it, they've engaged in a party-wide case of projection: "We do it, so they MUST be doing it!"
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They are only concerned when black people vote as that doesn't work out so well for them.

MaggieD said:
Nothing you've said here changes my mind. We should have yo show IDs to vote.
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A completely unnecessary law as it solves no known problem, but instead causes problems of its own. No real conservative would be in favor of such laws EXCEPT that such laws depress the vote that would not go to them.
 
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MaggieD said:
The Guardian should be as concerned about the Clinton emails and the Clinton Foundation.

News flash..lnobody gives a tinker's dam. DEAD people vote for our Democratic mayor. Most are pretty desensitized by now.

Don't know what the state is that's involved, but tens of thousands of people register to vote in Florida, for example, in a home they don't live in in order to avoid their own state's income tax. Know two of them myself. It's done all the time.

EDIT... Thought I ought to click the link. Yeah, it is Florida. Has nothing to do with being a swing state and everything to do with establishing residency in a state where there is no state income tax. Again, done allll the time.
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Well, that's better then. He's not only engaging in voter fraud, he's committing tax fraud! Trump only hires the best people!

Just for the record, where you register to vote has literally nothing to do with where your "tax home" is. People might claim it, but if caught it's straight up tax fraud, and depending on what deductions they claim on the federal return (e.g. travel expense while away from "home") perhaps both federal and state tax fraud, and if the stakes are big enough a possible criminal offense with jail time attached.
 
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apdst said:
The Libbos say that voter fraud doesn't exist.
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Uh, no, that's not what liberals claim. Nice straw man, though!
 
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apdst said:
Do you think he should have to show an ID when he votes?
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The story I read indicated he generally votes absentee, so few if any of the photo ID laws would apply to that.
 
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ocean515 said:
I'm confused by this kerfuffle.

According to liberals, voter fraud, which would include voting more than once, does not occur.
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Wrong, but good try. What happens exceedingly rarely (as in less than a handful in most states per year are prosecuted) is impersonation fraud at the polls, which is the type of fraud targeted by the slew of new photo ID laws.
 
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MaggieD said:
Nothing you've said here changes my mind. We should have yo show IDs to vote.
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How many legitimate votes are you willing to stop for each fraudulent vote stopped?
 
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Napoleon said:
And when asked to provide evidence in a courtroom, so do Republicans.
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To be clear, by far the most common type of "voter" fraud is through absentee ballots, and those are almost never addressed by the new photo ID laws, including the most recent big bunch of changes in NC. That was in fact a big part of the problem and highlighted by the opinion - the state election folks said if there is a problem it's in absentee ballots, and they recommended changes there. But more republicans than democrats typically use absentee ballots, so the NC legislature did nothing where the most fraud occurs, and did a bunch of stuff to combat nearly nonexistent impersonation fraud at the polls, which not coincidentally would affect mostly democrats.
 
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MaggieD said:
This doesn't have anything to do with voter fraud. Really! Think about it. ONE VOTE! Has every thing to do with avoiding his home state's income tax. Wonder where he really lives. If Illinois, he'd save 5% of his income. Not small potatoes.

There's plenty of voter fraud. We should have to show IDs.
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But if you want to hit actual "voter fraud" the place where nearly all of it happens is with absentee ballots, not at the polls.

And as is explained every time this comes up, the problem really isn't "ID" or "NO ID" but what kind of ID is accepted. I've had to show "ID" in Tennessee for many years but with no evidence the IDs being required were allowing really ANY "voter fraud" at the polls, they instituted new photo ID, which was a solution in search of a problem that didn't exist except for too many poor urban folks without DLs (i.e. blacks voting democratic) voting.
 
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