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Bernie Sanders Supporters Chant ‘Lock Her Up’ in Philadelphia Protest Against Clinton

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Cenk is seriously misinformed when he said Hillary's emails were "clearly marked classified" at the time they were sent. None of them were marked classified at the time they were sent or received and Comey confirmed that in his testimony to congress when he admitted the FBI only found three emails that contained "partial" markings...meaning they were improperly marked and could've been reasonably judged as not classified....

REP. MATT CARTWRIGHT: You were asked about markings on a few documents, I have the manual here, marking national classified security information. And I don’t think you were given a full chance to talk about those three documents with the little c’s on them. Were they properly documented? Were they properly marked according to the manual?

JAMES COMEY: No.

REP. MATT CARTWRIGHT: According to the manual, if you're going to classify something, there has to be a header on the document? Right?

JAMES COMEY: Correct.

REP. MATT CARTWRIGHT: So if Secretary Clinton really were an expert about what's classified and what's not classified and we're following the manual, the absence of a header would tell her immediately that those three documents were not classified. Am I correct in that?

JAMES COMEY: That would be a reasonable inference.​



It's well established in criminal law and upheld by the Supreme Court that intent is "essential" and "required" for an offense to occur and to prove guilt at trial....
Mens Rea refers to criminal intent. Moreover, it is the state of mind indicating culpability which is required by statute as an element of a crime. See, e.g. Staples v. United States, 511 US 600 (1994). Establishing the mens rea of an offender is usually necessary to prove guilt in criminal trial. In doing so, the prosecution must prove beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant committed the offense with a culpable state of mind. Justice Holmes famously illustrated the concept of intent when he said “even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked.”....

“Mens rea” is Latin for “guilty mind” and refers to the state of mind an accused had when committing a crime. See Black’s Law Dictionary 1134–35 (10th ed. 2014). At common law, in order to secure a conviction the prosecution was required to prove two essential elements: the actus reus (or “guilty act”) and the mens rea of the accused. See United States v. Apfelbaum, 445 U.S. 115, 131 (1980) (“In the criminal law, both a culpable mens rea and a criminal actus reus are generally required for an offense to occur.”). As the Supreme Court recently reiterated in Elonis, this concept reflects the basic principle that “wrongdoing must be conscious to be criminal” and that a defendant must be “blameworthy in mind” before he can be found guilty. 135 S. Ct. at 2009. Thus, mens rea is “the rule of, rather than the exception to, … Anglo-American criminal jurisprudence.” United States v. United States Gypsum Co., 438 U.S. 422, 436 (1978).

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/mens_rea


No reasonable prosecutor would indict or take this case to trial.

It doesn't matter if they were marked classified.

Hillary was the person to mark them classified if they were such.

Why do people give her a pass on not doing her job to protect the country?
 
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Except reasonable prosecutors absolutely did both take to trial and successfully prosecute people who committed violations of security protocols without proven intent to improperly distribute classified information; hell, in that same video Cenk clearly cites the perfectly applicable precedence of Brian Nishimura who was sentenced for mishandling of classified information without the kind of intent component Comey describes: Bryan Nishimura Committed The Same Exact Crime As Hillary Clinton. He Got Two Years Probation - The Duran | 10 Times People Were Punished For FAR Less Than What Hillary Clinton Did

Even in the outside chance you actually believe that she was technically guilty of nothing illegal, this entire situation is an absolutely scathing indictment of her judgment if not her criminality (and her demonstrable lack of honesty/transparency: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvTJYkTq8BI); either way it is clearly indicative of her lack of fitness for the highest office.

Comey said in the cases that were prosecuted, the defendant admited they did something wrong, so they went forward with the case.

In this case Hillary stonewalled them so they did nothing.

I didn't realize the FBI was so easily stymied.
 
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Man...they better build a wall...8 foot high fence...SOMETHING to keep those rebel flies out of the DNC vaseline.

I wasn't going to watch the DNC convention, but you better believe I am now. :)

Tim-
 
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Greetings, Pumpkin Row. :2wave:

Firstly, I see you are new here, so :wcm: Glad you're here!

Obama will be thinking about his legacy and how a pardon might look on his record, IMO, especially now that he is aware of how unfavorable public opinion, from both parties BTW, is of her. I don't see how a pardon would benefit either of them at this point, but who knows? This only further proves what a weird year 2016 is turning out to be! :shock: .. :mrgreen:

It would be a funny in Trump won, having already said that his DOJ would seek an indictment, to see Hillary admitting guilt and demanding a speedy try so that she could get convicted in time for an Obama pardon. ;)
 
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I wasn't going to watch the DNC convention, but you better believe I am now. :)

Tim-

I was listening to an interview with Lanny Davis this morning where he was spinning the crap out of his email leak, and his final and only defense was that it wouldn't be as bad as RNC delegates booing Ted Cruz.

And hour later Florida DNC delegates were booing Debbie Wasserman-Schultz...
 
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I have seen similar videos. I agree. It is sad on so many levels.

Comey should be removed from his position for the crap he pulled with Hillary. There is simply no excuse to not pursue the case.
 
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Comey said in the cases that were prosecuted, the defendant admited they did something wrong, so they went forward with the case.

In this case Hillary stonewalled them so they did nothing.

I didn't realize the FBI was so easily stymied.

All Comey did was show that either he is incompetent and not fit for the job or that he is in the pocket of Hillary and not fit for the job. Either way he should be removed from his position.
 
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I was listening to an interview with Lanny Davis this morning where he was spinning the crap out of his email leak, and his final and only defense was that it wouldn't be as bad as RNC delegates booing Ted Cruz.

And hour later Florida DNC delegates were booing Debbie Wasserman-Schultz...

:thumbs: :lamo
 
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As a US Soldier, if I mishandled classified information and placed it onto an unsecured network I could potentially face life in Prison.
Why should I vote for someone who doesn't follow the same laws I have to follow?

It is a disgrace that govt officials and govt. military are treated so different..... they are both paid to work for the govt... both serious issues for the nation if careless ... making the military get charged worse WILL RESULT in a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE when the military revolts
 
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Keep in mind...an indictment isn't even a conviction. It's to say that something is worthy of being tried. Surely what Hillary Clinton did is worthy of being sent to trial.

I fully and absolutely agree; my point is that extremely similar cases both went to trial _and_ were successfully prosecuted.
 
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Then they should have set precedent with this case.

That would be "celebrity hunting" and treating Hillary different than everyone else.
 
Re: Bernie Sanders Supporters Chant ‘Lock Her Up’ in Philadelphia Protest Against Cli

Except reasonable prosecutors absolutely did both take to trial and successfully prosecute people who committed violations of security protocols without proven intent to improperly distribute classified information; hell, in that same video Cenk clearly cites the perfectly applicable precedence of Brian Nishimura who was sentenced for mishandling of classified information without the kind of intent component Comey describes: Bryan Nishimura Committed The Same Exact Crime As Hillary Clinton. He Got Two Years Probation - The Duran | 10 Times People Were Punished For FAR Less Than What Hillary Clinton Did

Even in the outside chance you actually believe that she was technically guilty of nothing illegal, this entire situation is an absolutely scathing indictment of her judgment if not her criminality (and her demonstrable lack of honesty/transparency: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvTJYkTq8BI); either way it is clearly indicative of her lack of fitness for the highest office.

Cenk is wrong again. Nishimura had intent. He intentionally downloaded classified information from a government server that he knew he wasn't authorized to have and kept it for two years on his computer in his home. Then after telling his supervisor about it,...he tried destroy the data. It was his intent to destroy the data after he knew he'd violated the law that nailed him.
 
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It doesn't matter if they were marked classified.

Hillary was the person to mark them classified if they were such.

Why do people give her a pass on not doing her job to protect the country?

Yes, it does matter if they were marked classified....that was the whole point of the investigation, to find out if she mishandled classified information. DUUUUHHHH!!!!!
 
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Cenk is wrong again. Nishimura had intent. He intentionally downloaded classified information from a government server that he knew he wasn't authorized to have and kept it for two years on his computer in his home. Then after telling his supervisor about it,...he tried destroy the data. It was his intent to destroy the data after he knew he'd violated the law that nailed him.

Except that Nishimura did not demonstrate the same element of intent apparently required by Comey to prosecute: The investigation did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel.

Nishimura featured much the same mode of 'intent' in skirting the rules by downloading those files to unauthorized media as Clinton in the knowing albeit completely unauthorized set up of her private e-mail servers.
 
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Except that Nishimura did not demonstrate the same element of intent apparently required by Comey to prosecute: The investigation did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel.

Nishimura featured much the same mode of 'intent' in skirting the rules by downloading those files to unauthorized media as Clinton in the knowing albeit completely unauthorized set up of her private e-mail servers.

Like I said, it was his intent to destroy the data that nailed him. It's always seems to be the cover up that gets em.

Hillary did not show intent to break the law or to cover up a crime like Nishimura did.
 
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Like I said, it was his intent to destroy the data that nailed him. It's always seems to be the cover up that gets em.

Hillary did not show intent to break the law or to cover up a crime like Nishimura did.

Deletion of her e-mails?

Also, no, he had self-reported the crime; it wasn't a cover up at that point so much as it was a clear attempt to rectify his mistake and mishandling of the information.
 
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Deletion of her e-mails?

Also, no, he had self-reported the crime; it wasn't a cover up at that point so much as it was a clear attempt to rectify his mistake and mishandling of the information.

Now who is the one spinning?
 
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Now who is the one spinning?

Did you even read the timeline of the case?

The man reported his violation _then_ attempted to purge the materials.

If he was actually trying to cover up his mistake, he would have never reported the violation.
 
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But I thought that it was only those unreasonable and wacko right-wingers that were chanting for her to be locked up...

What makes you think these people are not the same wacko right-wingers in sheep's clothing?
 
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Bernie is no where near the right and therefor his supporters wouldn't be composed of right-wing wackos?

Bernies supporters are wackos that could swing either way.
 
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Did you even read the timeline of the case?

The man reported his violation _then_ attempted to purge the materials.

If he was actually trying to cover up his mistake, he would have never reported the violation.

He intended to destroy the data that showed his culpability.
 
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Deletion of her e-mails?

Also, no, he had self-reported the crime; it wasn't a cover up at that point so much as it was a clear attempt to rectify his mistake and mishandling of the information.

All federal employees are required to manage their own email accounts and determine what is personal and what is relevant business to be archived. When the SD formally requested that all former Secretary of States turn over all their relevant work related data....Hillary was the only one that did. She turned in paper copies of 30,000 emails. That does not show intent to commit a crime.

Nishimura told his supervisor he had downloaded classified information onto his personal computer...and it was after he did that....that he tried to destroy the data. That showed intent that he knew what he did was wrong.
 
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Deletion of her e-mails?

Also, no, he had self-reported the crime; it wasn't a cover up at that point so much as it was a clear attempt to rectify his mistake and mishandling of the information.

He shouldn't have tried to destroy the data and then lie about it to the FBI.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1066122247 said:
Typical Hillary supporter; the end justifies the means. Nixon would have loved you.

Ewww.
 
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