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Black Lives Matter Mob Threatens Fox News Reporter

Moot said:
The Eric Garner killing was on video...he was choked to death for selling single cigarettes: Hands up; Can't breath.
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No he was not choked to death.
1. Saying you can't breath shows you can actually breath.
2. He was not choked to death. The "headlock" he was placed in was released just prior to him saying he couldn't breath.
3. He died because of heart failure.


Moot said:
It wasn't self defense when the cop ran after Brown shooting him from behind.
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Didn't happen.

Moot said:
The cop had a choice when he was still in his vehicle...to either call for back up...or in a fit of rage go chase and shoot MB until he was dead...for jaywalking. As far as the black community is concerned the force of law and justice are weighted against them because cops can profile, falsely arrest and even kill them with impunity and never be held accountable. That's what they want to change.
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You simply do not know what you are stalking about.
This has already been debated here. Your narrative didn't happen.
 
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Excon said:
No he was not choked to death.
1. Saying you can't breath shows you can actually breath.
2. He was not choked to death. The "headlock" he was placed in was released just prior to him saying he couldn't breath.
3. He died because of heart failure.


Didn't happen.

You simply do not know what you are stalking about.
This has already been debated here. Your narrative didn't happen.
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Yes,..yes, he was...

"...On July 17, 2014, Eric Garner died in Staten Island, New York City, after a New York City Police Department (NYPD) officer put him in what has been described as a chokehold for about 15 to 19 seconds while arresting him. The New York City Medical Examiner's Office attributed Garner's death to a combination of a chokehold, compression of his chest, and poor health. NYPD policy prohibits the use of chokeholds...."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner​


Gawd, I luv Wiki. :cool:
 
Moot said:
Gawd, I luv Wiki. :cool:
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iLOL
Yes, I am sure you do.
Too bad that you do not understand that it should just be used as a starting point for your own research. That is why people who use it often get shown to be wrong.


Moot said:
Yes,..yes, he was...

"...On July 17, 2014, Eric Garner died in Staten Island, New York City, after a New York City Police Department (NYPD) officer put him in what has been described as a chokehold for about 15 to 19 seconds while arresting him. The New York City Medical Examiner's Office attributed Garner's death to a combination of a chokehold, compression of his chest, and poor health. NYPD policy prohibits the use of chokeholds...."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner​
Gawd, I luv Wiki. :cool:
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No, ...no, no he wasn't.


1. "... in what has been described as a chokehold".
"Described as", does not mean it was a choke-hold. Duh!
It wasn't a chokehold, it was a headlock. This was even reported at the time.
This was also later confirmed thorough the Officer's interviews. He had no pressure on the windpipe to cause choking.​

2. Said headlock was removed just prior to him saying he could breath.
Again; Saying you can't breath is a sign you can breath. Garner lied.​


Medical examiner - From your provided Wiki entry, as noted by the ME; "No damage to Garner's windpipe or neck bones was found."
That there was no pressure on the actual neck from the headlock, combined with the fact that it can clearly be seen he could breath (by lying that he couldn't), that eliminates the possibility of the head lock contributing to his death. Which is most likely why the GJ didn't indict.

And again he died because of heart failure, a heart attack on the way to the hospital.

Clearly it was the other factors that contributed to and caused his death, all related to his own poor health. Which again is most likely why the GJ didn't indict.
 
Excon said:
No he was not choked to death.
1. Saying you can't breath shows you can actually breath.
2. He was not choked to death. The "headlock" he was placed in was released just prior to him saying he couldn't breath.
3. He died because of heart failure.


Didn't happen.

You simply do not know what you are stalking about.
This has already been debated here. Your narrative didn't happen.
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Couple of things:

You CAN talk while being choked. It depends on the choke. The best chokes are: blood air choke, the blood, then air. If you don't get the full blood /air you may just get the blood choke and I can personally attest to being able to speak during that kind of choke. Not well. But I could. I do Brazilian jujitsu 2-3 days a week ;)

Also... I don't think I have ever heard of a choke causing heart failure. My guess is it would've been the extreme pressure on his chest and his bad health. But I suppose it is possible if you could just had a blood joke on you done and then you also add in the factors that you're out of shape and you have your chest compressed


Sent from my grapefruit using smoke signals.
 
blackjack50 said:
... I can personally attest to being able to speak during that kind of choke. Not well. But I could.
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And this is about this specific case, where the hold was released prior to him saying he couldn't breath, with no damage to his windpipe being found.


blackjack50 said:
You CAN talk while being choked.
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The claim is that he couldn't breath.
If you can say you can not breath, you can actually breath.


blackjack50 said:
The best chokes are: blood air choke, the blood, then air.
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Yes, there is "blood choke" and "air choke".
(Even the Huffington Post tried to educate folks in the aftermath.)

If you would like to be medically specific the word being used should be "strangle". (but that didn't happen either)

In Judo terminology, "blood chokes" are referred to as "strangleholds" or "strangles" while "air chokes" are called "chokeholds" or "chokes".[1] In forensics the terms "strangle" and "stranglehold" designate any type of neck compression,[3] while in law-enforcement they are referred to as "neck holds".[4]
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The Police differentiate differently and that is what should be used.

The air restriction of a "chokehold" is different from that of a headlock used as a point of leverage or used to restrict the flow of the carotid artery.


What is being complained about is that it was an air choke (chokehold) which killed him.
It didn't.
With an air choke (chokehold) you get damage to the windpipe. As noted by the ME, the was no damage to Garner's windpipe or neck bones.

Pressure on the airway (chokehold) is specifically what the Police are taught not to do.

What is taught and is acceptable is using the head as a leverage point and even applying pressure on the carotid by headlock. (Neck hold, Headlock or Lateral Vascular Neck Restraint)
No one is, or has complained about those two, and as such, are not issues.


Did the Officer's hold prevent him from breathing? No.
Was there any damage to the windpipe indicating that he was in a "chokehold"? No.
Matter of fact the headlock was released prior to Eric Garner saying he couldn't breath.


Did Garner lose consciousness from the headlock? No. The hold did not restrict the carotid artery to cause passing out.
Was the headlock used as a leverage point? Obviously, and used to bring the (quite a bit) larger person down.

Like I said, this may likely be why the GJ did not indict.


blackjack50 said:
Also... I don't think I have ever heard of a choke causing heart failure. My guess is it would've been the extreme pressure on his chest and his bad health. But I suppose it is possible if you could just had a blood joke on you done and then you also add in the factors that you're out of shape and you have your chest compressed
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Given the appropriate circumstances I have no doubt that an actual restriction of the airway or the carotid artery can contribute to a person's heart failure. That doesn't appear to be the case here.
It most likely came about because of his current and prior health conditions.


blackjack50 said:
Sent from my grapefruit using smoke signals.
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You have a mighty weird grapefruit - or is that talented?
Regardless. If there is smoke coming out of your grapefruit you might want to open it up to make sure no one is inside.
 
Moot said:
The Eric Garner killing was on video...he was choked to death for selling single cigarettes: Hands up; Can't breath.
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And yet he didn't die from the choking, but hours later.

When one is Choked to death, they die WHILE BEING CHOKED. This man did not die while being choked. He died hours later, thus he had to have been able to breath for hours after the choke hold incident.
 
Moot said:
The Eric Garner killing was on video...he was choked to death for selling single cigarettes: Hands up; Can't breath.
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I didn't realize he was choked to death by police. I thought he died later from complications. And your last sentence has two problems --- it's a play off a huge lie from the Michael Brown case and it's spelled "breathe".
 
Caine said:
And yet he didn't die from the choking, but hours later.

When one is Choked to death, they die WHILE BEING CHOKED. This man did not die while being choked. He died hours later, thus he had to have been able to breath for hours after the choke hold incident.
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The coroner report said "pressure on his chest" while being "choked" is what killed him.

So are you accusing Garner of lying when he said he couldn't breath? Really?
 
Josie said:
I didn't realize he was choked to death by police. I thought he died later from complications. And your last sentence has two problems --- it's a play off a huge lie from the Michael Brown case and it's spelled "breathe".
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Yeah, I'm sure Garner was lying when he said he couldn't breathe...with five cops sitting on his chest and getting choked to death with an illegal choke hold. :roll:
 
Moot said:
Yeah, I'm sure Garner was lying when he said he couldn't breathe...with five cops sitting on his chest and getting choked to death with an illegal choke hold. :roll:
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I believe he couldn't breathe.
 
Moot said:
The coroner report said "pressure on his chest" while being "choked" is what killed him.

So are you accusing Garner of lying when he said he couldn't breath? Really?
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You can't repeat that you can't breathe over and over and over again without obtaining more oxygen to speak more.

Now, we all know that people say, "I can't breathe" often when they are having DIFFICULTY breathing. But he didn't suffocate and die right there on the street, thus he was not "choked to death" right there.

He died of complications from the struggle with police.
 
Moot said:
Yeah, I'm sure Garner was lying when he said he couldn't breathe...with five cops sitting on his chest and getting choked to death with an illegal choke hold. :roll:
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Illegal choke hold.

Under which law is it illegal?
 
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