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Former Miss Alabama Suspended Calling Dallas Sniper a ‘Martyr’

But how do you change how you feel or don't feel? All you can do is examine your feelings and perhaps talk about it. She is specifically asking help from others in how they have dealt with such things. I'm not sure what else she can do, other than bottle it up or lie about it, which certainly isn't going to help her be the person she is trying to be.

The outcome is the key. She didn't change her thinking or feelings or beliefs. She just feels bad about it.

Plus, you don't publically air your innermost psychological struggles.

In the south, we have a saying that fits here very well - "Damn buddy, I don't believe I'd-a tol' 'at one!?!?"
 
What are you going on about?

I said he killed out of hate - not out of some religious belief.

So he was not a martyr.

And how is that wrong?
Your post, just to be clear...
Well...she does not even seem to know what a martyr is.

'Simple Definition of martyr
: a person who is killed or who suffers greatly for a religion, cause, etc.


Martyr | Definition of Martyr by Merriam-Webster

He did not die for a cause. He died because he was killing people and the police had to stop him...totally different reasons.

Clearly, he just killed out of hate...not because of some higher reason.
It is you that doesn't know what a martyr is. Or, did you miss the reports of who he was narrowly targeting and why?

You post the definition, and still missed it.
A cause does not have to be religious in nature. Note the separation via a comma.

Emphasis in red mine. Quote otherwise unaltered.
 
So, I was all ready to condemn her but then I went and watched the video. While she says she feels that way she feels guilty for feeling that way, knows it is wrong to feel that way, and doesn't WANT to feel that way. And seems pretty distraught over her lack of sympathy. That is a level of introspection most people don't have. It is hard for me to be too upset with her.

Kind of hard to fault her too much for being honest about how she feels and saying it even though she knew there would be repercussions. It gives us a little insight to how others see this.
 
The outcome is the key. She didn't change her thinking or feelings or beliefs. She just feels bad about it.

Plus, you don't publically air your innermost psychological struggles.

In the south, we have a saying that fits here very well - "Damn buddy, I don't believe I'd-a tol' 'at one!?!?"
Inner change takes time.

And why can't someone publicly air their struggles?
 
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Do you agree with her and if you do....why?

Martyr? Hell no. He's a ****ing criminal who got what was coming to him.
 
Your post, just to be clear...

A cause does not have to be religious in nature. Note the separation via a comma.

Emphasis in red mine. Quote otherwise unaltered.

He did not have a cause..he just hated white people...white cops in particular. HATE is NOT a cause. That is a sickness.

He was NO martyr. If he had murdered the cops that killed blacks...at least that would be a remote resemblance of a cause (albeit a sick one). But he did not. He just shot random cops that (I assume) were white. That is NOT a cause..that is just a sick **** who lost it and turned into a mass murderer.

He was NO martyr.

She used the word wrongly.
 
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He did not have a cause..he just hated white people...white cops in particular. HATE is NOT a cause. That is a sickness.

He was a sick **** who murdered cops. He was NO martyr.

She used the word wrongly.
Causes, to be legitimate, need to be pre-approved by DA60?
 
Or, maybe not. Not everyone is duplicitous.

True, but she is a semi-high profile person who knows that what she says,writes or types can have consequences.So she could have typed all that other stuff in an attempt to cover her ass.
 
Inner change takes time.

And why can't someone publicly air their struggles?

Inner change shouldn't be required when it comes to obvious moral and ethical choices. She showed a major flaw in her moral and ethical views.

People can say whatever they want, whenever they want, wherever they want, short of "fighting words" and there's nothing the government can do about it. However, the folks that employ her as a beauty queen are not the government, and that's what I was talking about. She's already a public figure, so she's a target for scrutiny in the first place, and the media even gets a legal pass to criticize her and even potentially defame her because she IS a public figure.

What she showed, that I'm pointing out, was a bad choice to voice her inner struggle openly for the world to see. Any person with common sense should know that doing what she did could or would have adverse consequences for her.

Sure, she's brave, but sometimes bravery, is just stupidity called by another name.
 
Causes, to be legitimate, need to be pre-approved by DA60?

Sometimes.

Are you actually saying that murdering innocent cops because of the melanin content of their skin, out of hate, is a 'cause' worthy of martyrdom?

What is next? Jeffery Dahmer had a cause to eat people? And Timothy McVeigh's cause was to blow up federal building's? Were they martyr's as well?
 
So, I was all ready to condemn her but then I went and watched the video. While she says she feels that way she feels guilty for feeling that way, knows it is wrong to feel that way, and doesn't WANT to feel that way. And seems pretty distraught over her lack of sympathy. That is a level of introspection most people don't have. It is hard for me to be too upset with her.

I don't blame her employer for suspending her considering her mental problems, as you just laid out.
 
Of course not. One black person does not speak for all black people, or even a significant percentage of them.

I do wish that y'all would realize that.

Why did you answer like that when the question was about her and only her?
 
Inner change shouldn't be required when it comes to obvious moral and ethical choices. She showed a major flaw in her moral and ethical views.

People can say whatever they want, whenever they want, wherever they want, short of "fighting words" and there's nothing the government can do about it. However, the folks that employ her as a beauty queen are not the government, and that's what I was talking about. She's already a public figure, so she's a target for scrutiny in the first place, and the media even gets a legal pass to criticize her and even potentially defame her because she IS a public figure.

What she showed, that I'm pointing out, was a bad choice to voice her inner struggle openly for the world to see. Any person with common sense should know that doing what she did could or would have adverse consequences for her.

Sure, she's brave, but sometimes bravery, is just stupidity called by another name.
But that's kinda my point. Freedom of speech is only valid relating to government. But if we're only willing to honor the concept in those limited circumstances, then do we honestly believe in the concept at all?

I say 'no', we don't. We're just kidding ourselves.
 
Causes, to be legitimate, need to be pre-approved by DA60?

'Full Definition of cause
1
a : a reason for an action or condition : motive
b : something that brings about an effect or a result
c : a person or thing that is the occasion of an action or state; especially : an agent that brings something about
d : sufficient reason <discharged for cause>
2
a : a ground of legal action
b : case
3
: a matter or question to be decided
4
a : a principle or movement militantly defended or supported


Cause | Definition of Cause by Merriam-Webster


Let me get this straight?

You think someone who is a sick mass murderer, whose only motivation to kill is hatred of a particular group of people - whom he did not know; killed because he had a principle and is a martyr?

Yes or no, please?


I say DEFINITELY 'NO" to both points. He had no cause and he was no martyr. He was just a hate-filled, sick mass murderer...by definition.


And I will ask you again...was Jeffery Dahmer a martyr for cannibalism? Was Timothy McVeigh a martyr for blowing up federal buildings? And are rapists who then murder their victims martyrs for rape?

Would you call any of them martyrs?


I would not...DEFINITELY.

Imo, you insult those who suffered under these people by calling the criminals who carried out these horrific acts 'martyrs'.
And you insult true martyrs like Martin Luther King Jr. and others who truly had a cause and who died defending it.

The definition backs up what I say...this sick **** was NO martyr and he had no cause. He had a purpose..but NO CAUSE. And his purpose was to murder out of insanity-based hatred.
 
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Sometimes.

Are you actually saying that murdering innocent cops because of the melanin content of their skin, out of hate, is a 'cause' worthy of martyrdom?

What is next? Jeffery Dahmer had a cause to eat people? And Timothy McVeigh's cause was to blow up federal building's? Were they martyr's as well?

My, nor your, approval is required for another to be a martyr. It doesn't have to be a good cause to be a cause, and no cause will ever be worthy in everyone's eyes. You're the one who posted the definition. He had a cause, whether you or I like said cause or not is wholly irrelevant. By protesting now you are only invalidating your own point.

And no, I do not approve of his actions, but the definition is what it is.
 
'Full Definition of cause
1
a : a reason for an action or condition : motive
b : something that brings about an effect or a result
c : a person or thing that is the occasion of an action or state; especially : an agent that brings something about
d : sufficient reason <discharged for cause>
2
a : a ground of legal action
b : case
3
: a matter or question to be decided
4
a : a principle or movement militantly defended or supported


Cause | Definition of Cause by Merriam-Webster


Let me get this straight?

You think someone who is a sick mass murderer, whose only motivation to kill is hatred of a particular group of people - whom he did not know; killed because he had a cause and is a martyr?

Yes or no, please?


I say DEFINITELY 'NO" to both points. He had no cause and he was no martyr. He was just a hate-filled, sick mass murderer.
...and you are DEFINITELY wrong, again by your own post/link.

He had a reason/motive. The fact that neither you or I approve is wholly irrelevant.
 
And as for martyr? I never really viewed the word as having a moral conotation. A martyr is just someone who gives their life for a cause. The cause can be just or unjust.

That's rather odd because the definition of morality is the principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong.

You can't make a connection to morality and the of killing Dallas police officers for a cause?
 
So, I was all ready to condemn her but then I went and watched the video. While she says she feels that way she feels guilty for feeling that way, knows it is wrong to feel that way, and doesn't WANT to feel that way. And seems pretty distraught over her lack of sympathy. That is a level of introspection most people don't have. It is hard for me to be too upset with her.

Or she has just been brainwashed by BLM
 
But that's kinda my point. Freedom of speech is only valid relating to government. But if we're only willing to honor the concept in those limited circumstances, then do we honestly believe in the concept at all?

I say 'no', we don't. We're just kidding ourselves.

"Speech" ultimately devolves into aggressive partisan rhetoric, as is often witnessed here at DP. At that level, it is no more than agenda driven opinion. Opinion only has significance to the one who is opining. I have the freedom to close the thread and go to another, and nobody can stop me.

On the other hand, if the Federal Government tried to pass a law preventing you from having free speech, relative validity would immediately become apparent.

You will always have the freedom to say anything you want. If, however, you walk up to big gay guy and call him a sissy and he knocks you out cold, nobody is going to feel sorry for you. Nobody is going to call him a bully.
 
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...and you are DEFINITELY wrong, again by your own post/link.

He had a reason/motive. The fact that neither you or I approve is wholly irrelevant.


And I will ask you again...was Jeffery Dahmer a martyr for cannibalism? Was Timothy McVeigh a martyr for blowing up federal buildings? And are rapists who then murder their victims martyrs for rape? What about the Sandy Hook killer? The Columbine murders? The Virginia Tech shootings?

Did they all have causes and were martyr's in your book?
 
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