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Oklahoma in the US opens first abortion clinic in 30 years

Jack Fabulous said:
If you don't care, why do you ask?
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Can you quote the question I asked you? I made a comment to you, but I don't remember asking you a question.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
This world needs less abortion, not more. And I'm not talking about restricting rights or restricting access. I'm talking about reducing NEED.

Every single one of these things represents human failure as far as I'm concerned. Hardly cause for celebration...
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Due to better birth control options including long term birth control which has a much lower failure rate than condoms or birth control pills the US abortion rate is at a 40 year low.

According to the CDC there were just under 700,000 legal induced abortions in the US in 2012.

In 2012, 699,202 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2012 was 13.2 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 210 abortions per 1,000 live births.

Compared with 2011, the total number and ratio of reported abortions for 2012 decreased 4%, and the abortion rate decreased 5%.

Additionally, from 2003 to 2012, the number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 17%, 18%, and 14%, respectively.

Given the large decreases in the total number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions from 2011 to 2012, in combination with decreases that occurred during 2008–2011, all three measures reached historic lows.
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Data and Statistics | Reproductive Health | CDC
 
minnie616 said:
Due to better birth control options including long term birth control which has a much lower failure rate than condoms or birth control pills the US abortion rate is at a 40 year low.

According to the CDC there were just under 700,000 legal induced abortions in the US in 2012.




Data and Statistics | Reproductive Health | CDC
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And that is good news. "Morning After" pills should be available in vending machines as far as I'm concerned.
 
Texmex said:
Who the hell is the bogyman Satan? Oh, I remember, he's the make believe evil twin of Jesus, right?
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Saddam Hussein's lover.

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Deuce said:
You're the one who said humans didn't have free will before Jesus, but I guess you are fleeing from that discussion now. Ok. Have a nice day.
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God has never controlled us. Before the Savior, God's punishment was swift.

Now we have to wait until Judgement day. The onus is on you.
 
notquiteright said:
Show us where GAWD says abortions are a sin? (hint you won't)

Now I'll show you where the BIBLE shows GAWD wasn't upset with 'innocent' life being taken while still in the womb (if you believe the BIBLE is GAWD's word)

Exodus 21:21-25 clearly gives a fine (monetary penalty) for causing an abortion, but an eye for an eye if the mother is harmed. fine for the lost fetus, up to death if you kill the mother.

Number 5:11-21 is where a priest creates a 'magic' potion that a pregnant wife drinks. If she was knocked up by another man she aborts the fetus in a rather painful manner.

Gen 2:7 says man becomes a living soul AFTER his first breath, for centuries that was the Religious standard for the beginning of human life (children still born or miscarried never took that 'breath of life')

Numbers 31:15-18 GAWD orders all non virgin midianite women to be killed- certainly a number were pregnant and their fetuses not spared.

So when it suits some, GAWD sanctions the killing of the unborn.

I don't think you can lay this on Satan... :peace
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That was all before Jesus died and was resurrected to forgive our sins and offer us eternal life, not so we could continue to lead lives of sin.

As I said earlier, Satan fools us into rebelling against God's word. i.e. aborting the innocent. [murder]
 
WCH said:
God has never controlled us. Before the Savior, God's punishment was swift.

Now we have to wait until Judgement day. The onus is on you.
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God didn't control us, but we didn't have free will.

So **** just kinda happened on its own?
 
Sure, and let's force a woman to carry a rapist's baby, and make sure that little girls who are impregnated by daddy pay the price too. Why? Because that's what bible pounding Republitards want. Sheesh!!

Great point,, Kill the babies,, That'll teach'em. Whats really odd, funny or disgusting Mr. Danarhea is that the liberal (judges) are the ones that would say to the rapist's or perverted daddy,, "You have top bright of a future to spend time in jail, probation for you"

It's the bible thumping "republitards" that would put them away and throw away the key. And afterwords find a loving family to adopt and raise a beautiful baby.

djl

djl
 
Deuce said:
God didn't control us, but we didn't have free will.

So **** just kinda happened on its own?
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We didn't have free will without consequence. Now you can live your life as you wish and the consequences come later.
 
WCH said:
We didn't have free will without consequence. Now you can live your life as you wish and the consequences come later.
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Before you said we had no free will prior to Jesus.

How can something without free will commit a sin.
 
Deuce said:
Before you said we had no free will prior to Jesus.

How can something without free will commit a sin.
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If it's pretty much instant karma, are you really free? See where I'm going?
 
WCH said:
That was all before Jesus died and was resurrected to forgive our sins and offer us eternal life, not so we could continue to lead lives of sin.
As I said earlier, Satan fools us into rebelling against God's word. i.e. aborting the innocent. [murder]
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So all before Jesus can/should be ignored? How about homosexuality? The passage quoted by the religious objectors to gay sex cite the OLD Testament.

The 10 commandments came long before Jesus. Jews are just as firm in their belief they go to heaven without Jesus dying for anyone.

Christians claim the Bible is infallible- are you saying only the last part?

According to the Bible abortion isn't murder, infact it wasn't 'murder' to early Christians- St. Augustine proclaimed that ensoulment occurred sometime AFTER conception. (did the devil make him did it?)

It wasn't until 1869 that the Church began to change it's position and began claiming conception was the time of ensoulment.

Several main stream churches are not as dead set against abortion- Methodist, Ev Lutheran, united churches of Christ....

Perhaps the Devil started whispering a few centuries AFTER Jesus died and more so to those who think they are 'true believers' as they are far less likely to doubt their take on the subject... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
So all before Jesus can/should be ignored? How about homosexuality? The passage quoted by the religious objectors to gay sex cite the OLD Testament.

The 10 commandments came long before Jesus. Jews are just as firm in their belief they go to heaven without Jesus dying for anyone.

Christians claim the Bible is infallible- are you saying only the last part?

According to the Bible abortion isn't murder, infact it wasn't 'murder' to early Christians- St. Augustine proclaimed that ensoulment occurred sometime AFTER conception. (did the devil make him did it?)

It wasn't until 1869 that the Church began to change it's position and began claiming conception was the time of ensoulment.

Several main stream churches are not as dead set against abortion- Methodist, Ev Lutheran, united churches of Christ....

Perhaps the Devil started whispering a few centuries AFTER Jesus died and more so to those who think they are 'true believers' as they are far less likely to doubt their take on the subject... :peace
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Even though I have studied various mainline Christian religions, I do not belong to any of them [though I consider myself a Christian] My opinions from these studies are my own. God will make the ultimate decision on what is sinful and what is not.

There is some disagreement on whether homosexuality is discussed in the NT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_New_Testament

My opinion is that it is in fact deviant, unnatural behavior that God would consider sinful and a product of Satan's wishes.
 
minnie616 said:
The BBC reports that Oklahoma in the US opens first abortion clinic in 30 years.

On the day the Supreme Court may rule on Whole Women's Health case the BBC announces that the first new abortion clinic in more than 30 years is opining in Oklahoma.

This should help women in Oklahoma have better access to legal abprtion services.



57 minutes ago ( June 27, 2016)



Oklahoma in the US opens first abortion clinic in 30 years - BBC News
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One small victory...but a victory nonetheless.
 
WCH said:
Even though I have studied various mainline Christian religions, I do not belong to any of them [though I consider myself a Christian] My opinions from these studies are my own. God will make the ultimate decision on what is sinful and what is not. There is some disagreement on whether homosexuality is discussed in the NT. My opinion is that it is in fact deviant, unnatural behavior that God would consider sinful and a product of Satan's wishes.
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Weak tea at the very best. But basically you don't use facts as much as a very personal opinion. I raise cattle and see 'homosexual' acts quite often. We use the term 'goomer' cow for one that rides another female who is cycling. Young bulls ride each quite often. Seems 'nature' doesn't see it as all that unnatural. ;)

Actually you and I don't really know what GAWD sees as sinful. Best we have is men telling us what THEY think GAWD thinks- sort of like you and your opinions based on what you 'studied' which also means decided to ignore or accept based on your own world view.

The biggest issue I have with 'what Jesus said' is his comments are second hand, sorted and many accounts rejected by a group of rather opinionated men centuries later...

So to recap, your assertion that old testament doesn't count because it was written before Jesus is pretty much just your opinion. The Bible cites several GAWD sanctioned murders of pregnant mothers (and that means their fetuses), He gave priests a potion to test and abort any fetuses conceived out of wedlock, Christianity didn't see abortion as a sin until centuries after the death of Jesus...

But it don't count because it happened before Jesus was on this earth... :shock:
 
WCH said:
Humans didn't have free will until after Jesus was crucified. God did all the punishment up until then.
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These are the kinds of folks we are dealing with here. The kind who think the human brain only developed the ability to think and act freely 2000 years ago.
 
notquiteright said:
Weak tea at the very best. But basically you don't use facts as much as a very personal opinion. I raise cattle and see 'homosexual' acts quite often. We use the term 'goomer' cow for one that rides another female who is cycling. Young bulls ride each quite often. Seems 'nature' doesn't see it as all that unnatural. ;)

Actually you and I don't really know what GAWD sees as sinful. Best we have is men telling us what THEY think GAWD thinks- sort of like you and your opinions based on what you 'studied' which also means decided to ignore or accept based on your own world view.

The biggest issue I have with 'what Jesus said' is his comments are second hand, sorted and many accounts rejected by a group of rather opinionated men centuries later...

So to recap, your assertion that old testament doesn't count because it was written before Jesus is pretty much just your opinion. The Bible cites several GAWD sanctioned murders of pregnant mothers (and that means their fetuses), He gave priests a potion to test and abort any fetuses conceived out of wedlock, Christianity didn't see abortion as a sin until centuries after the death of Jesus...

But it don't count because it happened before Jesus was on this earth... :shock:
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If you don't see the destruction of a human life as sinful, I can't help you. IMO
 
Hatuey said:
These are the kinds of folks we are dealing with here. The kind who think the human brain only developed the ability to think and act freely 2000 years ago.
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My idea of free will would be not getting my just rewards or punishment during this lifetime.
 
WCH said:
My idea of free will would be not getting my just rewards or punishment during this lifetime.
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Your idea of free will is irrelevant to anything we actually know about the human mind.
 
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