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Supreme Court May Take Action On State Assault Weapon Bans

Should the SCOTUS overturn Heller or McDonald or both with this case, by stating as Justice Breyer wrote in his McDonald dissent, that "In sum, the Framers did not write the Second Amendment in order to protect a private right of armed self defense. There has been, and is, no consensus that the right is, or was, 'fundamental.'" then there will be a large number of real life and vivid examples of the Fundamental Right to Self Defense that will probably be broadcast LIVE on CNN and local news, should law enforcement attempt to collect arms, ammunition, or magazines from those that legally bought and own them.

Yup, Justice Breyer and the anti-gun folks around the country will learn the hard way the Right to Self Defense is not just a Fundamental Right, but also a rather easily exercisable right. No that Breyer or others would be harmed at all, but those that they send out to enforce any potential rescission of the 2nd Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms may unfortunately be at risk as will potentially millions of otherwise law abiding gun owners. Another way of describing what could occur? Armed insurrection - AKA, Civil War.

Some folks may laugh at the thought of that. I'm not laughing.
 
Moot said:
So, Ted Bundy was a registered Republican and campaign organizer and probably killed over a hundred people. But I guess you forgot about that in your quest to blame the left.
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I'm not blaming the Left for the Orlando shooter. I've been quite outspoken on blaming the homophobic culture being promoted by the Right.

The only thing I'm blaming the Left for is a stupid, knee-jerk, and authoritarian reaction to the Orlando shooter: the same stupid, knee-jerk, and authoritarian reaction they have to very terror attack.
 
Goshin said:
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I am neither particularly right wing, nor have any great desire to war with anyone.

The fact remains that radical Islam is the author of most terrorist attacks in the world, including the most recent one.
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Well, you sure had me fooled. But then, who said I was talking about you?

The fact remains that we are not at war with Islam and when put into perspective most of the terror attacks by Islamic extremists are not on US soil.

You're 7x times more likely to be killed by a white supremacist or anti-government fanatic than you are a Muslim extremist. There were 371 mass shootings in 2015....and more than there were days in the year.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/u...es-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...ited-states/xLlu1HFK5y5newTtQcCkzI/story.html
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
I'm not blaming the Left for the Orlando shooter. I've been quite outspoken on blaming the homophobic culture being promoted by the Right.

The only thing I'm blaming the Left for is a stupid, knee-jerk, and authoritarian reaction to the Orlando shooter: the same stupid, knee-jerk, and authoritarian reaction they have to very terror attack.
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Yes, you were...and still are by the looks of it. So when is a good time to talk about gun control, Korimyr?
 
Moot said:
Yes, you were...and still are by the looks of it. So when is a good time to talk about gun control, Korimyr?
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We can talk about failed and useless policies that won't work any time at all, Moot.



Perhaps we should discuss it with French cartoonist Stephane Charbonnier... oops, no wait... he was murdered in the Charlie Hebdo massacre by Islamic terrorists armed with illegal automatic rifles not long after being denied a permit to carry a gun despite being under death threats by the aforementioned Islamic radicals....


http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-control/256173-charlie-hebdo-massacre-illustrates.html
 
Moot said:
So when is a good time to talk about gun control, Korimyr?
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It's never a good time to have a serious discussion of surrendering our human rights.

That's what you people don't get; gun control is not on the table. There are no circumstances under which the American people are going to willingly, peacefully turn their guns over to the government. To disarm the American people, you are going to have to murder hundreds of thousands of people who, until you turned them into criminals, have never done anything wrong. And you don't care because the corporate media has told you that this is morally justified. Just like the War on Terror, "pacifist" liberals don't care how many people they ask the State to kill for them as long as they never have to get their hands dirty themselves.

Human rights are non-negotiable. Governments which violate them are illegitimate. And the reason that we have a Constitution is so that a majority of the voting public is not sufficient force to deprive us of those human rights.
 
haymarket said:
What would be the rubric you apply to make that judgment?
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I'm pointing out that gun bans don't stop mass shootings. Automatic weapons are strictly banned in France, but were used in the Charlie Hebdo massacre, for instance.


Indeed virtually all of Europe has far more strict gun control than the US, but interestingly enough they appear to be suffering as bad if not worse from mass shootings than the USA....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Screen-Shot-2016-04-05-at-Tuesday-April-5-1.04-AM.png
 
Goshin said:
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I am neither particularly right wing, nor have any great desire to war with anyone.

The fact remains that radical Islam is the author of most terrorist attacks in the world, including the most recent one.
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There is no doubt that fanatics preaching an extreme perversion of Islam are evil and responsible for much of this. Yesterday however, I heard a radio spot - I believe it was on the morning NPR show - where they interviewed FBI folks who said that the more they look at Mateen the less and less they find that matches the profile of the religious zealot committing an act of jihad. Instead he looks more and more and more like the usual crazed mass murdered and has many of the warning signs in his past. They are leaning to questioning if the whole ISIS oath was more smokescreen for his own disturbances than it was a devout political or religious conviction.

I hope we can find out more over the coming months.
 
Goshin said:
I'm pointing out that gun bans don't stop mass shootings. Automatic weapons are strictly banned in France, but were used in the Charlie Hebdo massacre, for instance.


Indeed virtually all of Europe has far more strict gun control than the US, but interestingly enough they appear to be suffering as bad if not worse from mass shootings than the USA....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Screen-Shot-2016-04-05-at-Tuesday-April-5-1.04-AM.png
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It took 200 years for American to develop a gun culture and violence that we have today and I would respectfully suggest that its going to take a very long time to turn that around before we see numbers that people can all accept and credit. Too often, when people make judgements, they are over a very short term and are made far far far too soon for policies to take hold and see any true effect.
 
Henrin said:
How much is it?
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You don't want one. They hold 505.3 gallons of fuel and burn about 2 gal per mile. They do have heat and air conditioning though.
 
haymarket said:
It took 200 years for American to develop a gun culture and violence that we have today and I would respectfully suggest that its going to take a very long time to turn that around before we see numbers that people can all accept and credit. Too often, when people make judgements, they are over a very short term and are made far far far too soon for policies to take hold and see any true effect.
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Europe doesn't have a gun culture, and has had strict gun control for a rather long time. This did not save Charlie Hebdo... it did not save the 69 dead 100-some wounded by the Norweigan shooter... nor prevent Europe as a whole from having more mass-shooting casualties between 2009 and 2015 than the USA did...


I see no reason to believe more gun control is the answer.
 
haymarket said:
As oldtime radio announcer Gabriel Heatter used to say.... THERE IS GOOD NEWS TONIGHT!
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Yeah; we'll see. The court refuses it; which they really can't do I don't think at 4 & 4, or if they rule for ARs etc. we're screwed.
 
Goshin said:
We can talk about failed and useless policies that won't work any time at all, Moot.



Perhaps we should discuss it with French cartoonist Stephane Charbonnier... oops, no wait... he was murdered in the Charlie Hebdo massacre by Islamic terrorists armed with illegal automatic rifles not long after being denied a permit to carry a gun despite being under death threats by the aforementioned Islamic radicals....


http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-control/256173-charlie-hebdo-massacre-illustrates.html
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It's only useless to people who don't want to listen.

I think we should talk more about the gun violence in this country because no other country outside of a war zone even remotely compares to the number of gun homicides that Americans inflict on each other.
 
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Goshin said:
Europe doesn't have a gun culture, and has had strict gun control for a rather long time. This did not save Charlie Hebdo... it did not save the 69 dead 100-some wounded by the Norweigan shooter... nor prevent Europe as a whole from having more mass-shooting casualties between 2009 and 2015 than the USA did...


I see no reason to believe more gun control is the answer.
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People with guns living in OUR gun culture have been no help either, so what's your point?
 
Bootlace said:
You don't want one. They hold 505.3 gallons of fuel and burn about 2 gal per mile. They do have heat and air conditioning though.
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So I take it you have one in your car port.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
It's never a good time to have a serious discussion of surrendering our human rights.

That's what you people don't get; gun control is not on the table. There are no circumstances under which the American people are going to willingly, peacefully turn their guns over to the government. To disarm the American people, you are going to have to murder hundreds of thousands of people who, until you turned them into criminals, have never done anything wrong. And you don't care because the corporate media has told you that this is morally justified. Just like the War on Terror, "pacifist" liberals don't care how many people they ask the State to kill for them as long as they never have to get their hands dirty themselves.

Human rights are non-negotiable. Governments which violate them are illegitimate. And the reason that we have a Constitution is so that a majority of the voting public is not sufficient force to deprive us of those human rights.
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So "never" is your answer? Is that where the discussion ends for you? Then talking about gun control after a mass shooting is the perfect time to talk about it....and keep talking about it until people have had enough the mass shootings and demand their policy makers do something about it. Whether you participate in the discussion with rational solutions to the problem is up to you. But this notion that it can't even be rationally discussed because of a few gun fanatics is over for the vast majority of us.

Btw....we all have same rights. Federal law has to be applied equally to all the states...not just to individual gun owners.
 
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