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Ryan: I’ll step down as convention chairman if Trump asks

Ryan made the right move. He will not endorse Trump, he is honorary Chairman of the Convention, so he walks away from the Dumpster. Ryan stood by his convictions that Trump does not represent the values of the Republican Party.
 
tres borrachos said:
Actually that's a smart move by Ryan. He, like rational people, can't stomach the idea of the Democratic fraud getting the GOP nomination, and he is disassociating himself from what is sure to be a disgusting spectacle.
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Rodentia departing the submerging ocean vessel?
 
rocket88 said:
In my time at DP, I've seen far more conservatives play the victim than liberals. The whole media bias forum is mostly conservatives kvetching about how persecuted they are.
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I know. Liberals do, conservatives complain about what liberals do.
 
lovepolitics2 said:
If he isn't going to support Trump and he turns out to be the nominee......he should step down. I hope Ryan gets Cantored.
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What will happen in the battleground areas, where Trump has and is seen as a massive boat anchor, weighing down the Republican running, they will step away from his policies.
 
tres borrachos said:
Actually that's a smart move by Ryan. He, like rational people, can't stomach the idea of the Democratic fraud getting the GOP nomination, and he is disassociating himself from what is sure to be a disgusting spectacle.
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I have still yet to see what was the big argument FOR TRUMP in the primary contests. I wonder how many of the Trump supporters (in the primary) really thought that Trump was the best candidate to WIN the election. I suspect few of them are going to answer that both affirmatively and honestly
 
TurtleDude said:
I have still yet to see what was the big argument FOR TRUMP in the primary contests. I wonder how many of the Trump supporters (in the primary) really thought that Trump was the best candidate to WIN the election. I suspect few of them are going to answer that both affirmatively and honestly
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Poll research on polls show that Trump did well amongst college educated when it was an anonymous poll. When called by phone and asked, Trumps numbers dropped by approx 6 or so %. I think that was from WashPo- and other polling research done by others.
So many did not want to admit they supported Lyin Donnie.
 
Mycroft said:
Ryan has learned a lot from dealing with liberals in the government...when people start thinking less of you for your actions, play the victim card. The only problem is it usually works for the liberals, but I'm not so sure it'll work for Ryan.
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Oh plaahhheeeeze.... the Pub/Con crowd has been playing the victim card since before Reagan was in the Oval Office. The 'poor downtrodden white hetro male', a war on Christmas, war on Christians in general, the dreaded PC police stopping racial hate words- but according to the down trodden Conservative- only white guys get called out. Women in combat arms, attacking to big to fail banks, taxing dead people, allowing dead people to vote-

Face it, PubCons have been whining and rending their garments right along with liberals... :peace
 
JANFU said:
Poll research on polls show that Trump did well amongst college educated when it was an anonymous poll. When called by phone and asked, Trumps numbers dropped by approx 6 or so %. I think that was from WashPo- and other polling research done by others.
So many did not want to admit they supported Lyin Donnie.
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I will be the first to admit, I have NO IDEA what motivated alleged conservatives, Conservative-republicans or libertarian Republicans to support Trump in the Primary. I will note I will vote for him in the general election for the reasons I have stated dozens of times on this board and its because I see Hilary as an abomination guaranteed. But when I ask those I know to be Republicans who supported Trump in the Ohio Primary, I get absolutely nebulous nonsense. and this is from well educated people who run businesses, are partners in top law firms etc. in the 40 years I have really followed presidential politics, I have never encountered anything like it
 
notquiteright said:
Oh plaahhheeeeze.... the Pub/Con crowd has been playing the victim card since before Reagan was in the Oval Office. The 'poor downtrodden white hetro male', a war on Christmas, war on Christians in general, the dreaded PC police stopping racial hate words- but according to the down trodden Conservative- only white guys get called out. Women in combat arms, attacking to big to fail banks, taxing dead people, allowing dead people to vote-

Face it, PubCons have been whining and rending their garments right along with liberals... :peace
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Not to fond of Ryan on some policies, but he did the right thing. It is also the smart move as trump appears to be one who will tear the Party apart.
So last man standing, with standing would be who????
Not the leader in the Senate.
 
JANFU said:
Ryan made the right move. He will not endorse Trump, he is honorary Chairman of the Convention, so he walks away from the Dumpster. Ryan stood by his convictions that Trump does not represent the values of the Republican Party.
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Ryan needs to realize that if Trump doesn't represent the values of the Republican party then he wouldn't have won the nomination.
 
TurtleDude said:
I have still yet to see what was the big argument FOR TRUMP in the primary contests. I wonder how many of the Trump supporters (in the primary) really thought that Trump was the best candidate to WIN the election. I suspect few of them are going to answer that both affirmatively and honestly
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Trump won the gop nod while avoiding the religious bigotry that turns off so many independents. It's unfortunate that his repeated and unnecessary spats via tweet also turned him off to women. And if he said that he was temporarily banning travel from the M.E. instead of banning Muslims there wouldn't be any hulabaloo at all there either. Trump did particularly well in OPEN state primaries which means that his message already has inherent moderate/independent appeal. If he wasn't such a gaffe machine then he'd be in a stronger position but his centrist appeal+not being establishment is still a major plus in his column.

Trump has some unnecessary self-inflicted wounds but he's still the strongest candidate the REPS put up. Kasich was a wolf in sheeps clothing and despite what people say about Donald's temperament, Kasich was quite the numbskull.
 
JANFU said:
Not to fond of Ryan on some policies, but he did the right thing. It is also the smart move as trump appears to be one who will tear the Party apart. So last man standing, with standing would be who???? Not the leader in the Senate.
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Oh not faulting Ryan a bit. In fact not faulting any PUB from putting a little distance between themselves and the Orange Guy. But I'd say it isn't the last man standing but rather the last Clown standing... ;)

But my post was in response to a ardent partisan trying to rewrite history in an attempt to slur liberals... fact is the Party of Lincoln has as many 'victims' as any other demographic... :peace
 
TurtleDude said:
I will be the first to admit, I have NO IDEA what motivated alleged conservatives, Conservative-republicans or libertarian Republicans to support Trump in the Primary. I will note I will vote for him in the general election for the reasons I have stated dozens of times on this board and its because I see Hilary as an abomination guaranteed. But when I ask those I know to be Republicans who supported Trump in the Ohio Primary, I get absolutely nebulous nonsense. and this is from well educated people who run businesses, are partners in top law firms etc. in the 40 years I have really followed presidential politics, I have never encountered anything like it
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He tapped into anger. Both Parties are corrupted. Reason Bernie did well. From what I see up North is rampant political corruption and people are fed up.
A few decades back a Senator, big war chest for reelection retired, the monies stayed with him/her. That was changed.
Then the expansion of who can run PACS- Corp donations- it has now become a race where you must be corrupted in order to raise money. When you look at Senate races in the 10's of millions, to this Pres election, will be around a Billion. All that money does not comes with no strings attached.
US should look to other democracies where election donations are and have strict limits.
Just my opinion.
 
reinoe said:
Ryan needs to realize that if Trump doesn't represent the values of the Republican party then he wouldn't have won the nomination.
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No, there were to many clowns running at the beginning, and they wrote Trump off. That was the mistake.
 
reinoe said:
Trump won the gop nod while avoiding the religious bigotry that turns off so many independents. It's unfortunate that his repeated and unnecessary spats via tweet also turned him off to women. And if he said that he was temporarily banning travel from the M.E. instead of banning Muslims there wouldn't be any hulabaloo at all there either. Trump did particularly well in OPEN state primaries which means that his message already has inherent moderate/independent appeal. If he wasn't such a gaffe machine then he'd be in a stronger position but his centrist appeal+not being establishment is still a major plus in his column.

Trump has some unnecessary self-inflicted wounds but he's still the strongest candidate the REPS put up. Kasich was a wolf in sheeps clothing and despite what people say about Donald's temperament, Kasich was quite the numbskull.
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Kasich proved to me he could learn from his past mistakes-something Obama, Hilary and Romney seemed incapable of doing and I note that brilliance rarely translates into being a good or better president
 
ludin said:
He is acting like a spoiled child that didn't get his way. so far trump looks like he is going to win the nomination.
sorry don't like it but it is what it is.
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A spoiled child for opposing some wretched populist, for not yielding to the tool brigade, for at least trying to be the conscious of the GOP? Sure, buddy.
 
JANFU said:
No, there were to many clowns running at the beginning, and they wrote Trump off. That was the mistake.
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The "too many people running" argument doesn't hold water. Trump was swimming in the same pool of sharks that everyone else was swimming in.
 
reinoe said:
The "too many people running" argument doesn't hold water. Trump was swimming in the same pool of sharks that everyone else was swimming in.
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And they were all after the other and Trump was seldom criticized by those running.
 
JANFU said:
Ryan made the right move. He will not endorse Trump, he is honorary Chairman of the Convention, so he walks away from the Dumpster. Ryan stood by his convictions that Trump does not represent the values of the Republican Party.
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Ryan will end up endorsing Trump or will lose his career. If he plans of running for POTUS again in the future his plans better include running as an independent.
 
clownboy said:
Ryan will end up endorsing Trump or will lose his career. If he plans of running for POTUS again in the future his plans better include running as an independent.
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Oh I am sure Lyin Donnie will offer more than an olive branch to Ryan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...=hp_hp-top-table-main_ryan-2pm:homepage/story
Ryan’s willingness to cede his position at the convention, originally reported by the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, follows his announcement last week that the speaker could not support Trump until the businessman changes his tone and embraces Republican principles. Trump will come to Capitol Hill on Thursday to meet with Ryan and rank-and-file Republican House members during their conference meeting.
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The speaker said he hopes to eventually support Trump but added: “I’m not there right now.”

Trump replied that he is “not ready to support Speaker Ryan’s agenda.”

“Perhaps in the future we can work together and come to an agreement about what is best for the American people. They have been treated so badly for so long that it is about time for politicians to put them first!” Trump said in a statement Thursday.
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JANFU said:
And they were all after the other and Trump was seldom criticized by those running.
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That is patently untrue. From the very first debate Trump was the target.
 
reinoe said:
Ryan needs to realize that if Trump doesn't represent the values of the Republican party then he wouldn't have won the nomination.
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What are the values of the Republican party that he represents?
 
tres borrachos said:
What are the values of the Republican party that he represents?
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Fiscal responsibility, not engaging in nation building, 2nd amendment rights, state's rights, and enforcing our laws.
 
reinoe said:
Fiscal responsibility, not engaging in nation building, 2nd amendment rights, state's rights, and enforcing our laws.
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The man who supported the assault weapons ban is for 2nd Amendment rights?

Enforcing our laws is a "Republican" value and the Democrats advocate ignoring laws? Can you cite an example of that?
 
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