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Pray For Palmyra: Russian Maestro Performs in Syria With Mariinsky Orchestra

Crimea was never ruled by Ukraine. It was only attached to it as an autonomous state for, a few decades, when it was part of the USSR and it didn't matter. They are all ethnic Russians speaking Russian and voted to join with Russia.

It was part of Russia for hundreds of years.

So was the rest of the Ukraine, the Russian empire was born in Kiev. Does that mean to you Ukraine should be part of Russia? Crimea legitimately voted to leave in 1991 but the most recent election was just a sham without any observers, not to mention it was done under military occupation.
 
So was the rest of the Ukraine, the Russian empire was born in Kiev. Does that mean to you Ukraine should be part of Russia? Crimea legitimately voted to leave in 1991 but the most recent election was just a sham without any observers, not to mention it was done under military occupation.

What military occupation? The large naval base that has always been there? If you think the current western Ukrainian government has any legitimacy then there are some problems here as there was definite foreign influence in that sham of a revolution and then the sham elections they pulled off after it while eastern Ukraine was under siege so you can spare me the legitimacy complaint.
 
What military occupation? The large naval base that has always been there? If you think the current western Ukrainian government has any legitimacy then there are some problems here as there was definite foreign influence in that sham of a revolution and then the sham elections they pulled off after it while eastern Ukraine was under siege so you can spare me the legitimacy complaint.

The Russians left their base and took over the entirety of the Crimea. The entire election was done under military occupation by a well known authoritarian dictatorship that itself does not hold legitimate elections, without any observers. It is like Hitler's annexation of Austria. The Ukrainian government did what it had to do, it cannot just have no government until the entire issue is resolved.
 
... who backed the Russian invasions of Ukraine in 2014.

If Russia in 2014 invaded the Ukraine, why it forces has not been found so far?

Photos of the Russian army in Syria have appeared in the Western press in the first days after its introduction. Why did the West do not want to provide evidence of the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
 
If Russia in 2014 invaded the Ukraine, why it forces has not been found so far?

Putinista propaganda won't work here at DP.

Putin’s Confessions on Crimea Expose Kremlin Media

March 20, 2015

In a documentary aired last weekend, Putin admitted ordering his troops to seize Crimea weeks before it was annexed into Russia on March 18, 2014.


Vladimir Putin admits: Russian troops 'were in Ukraine'

17 Dec 2015

Vladimir Putin admitted to deploying Russian military specialists to eastern Ukraine on Thursday, dropping nearly two years of denials that Russian servicemen were involved in the conflict there
 
Putinista propaganda won't work here at DP.

I just asked a question. If you are afraid of questions, including their propaganda - you've already lost.

In a documentary aired last weekend, Putin admitted ordering his troops to seize Crimea weeks before it was annexed into Russia on March 18, 2014.

What does this have to do with the claimed invasion of Russia? Russian troops were in Crimea before. The only moot point was that Russia withdrew its troops from their bases to ensure the safety and absence of bloodshed.

Can not be called the invasion, when the troops just out for its gates.

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I thought you are writing about a mythical "invasion" of Russia in Donbass.

If you accuse someone of supporting "the invasion of the Crimea", then You have to blame 90% of Russians and 90% of the Crimean population. And the conductor is there anything from other Russians is no different.
 
The Russians left their base and took over the entirety of the Crimea. The entire election was done under military occupation by a well known authoritarian dictatorship that itself does not hold legitimate elections, without any observers. It is like Hitler's annexation of Austria. The Ukrainian government did what it had to do, it cannot just have no government until the entire issue is resolved.

What Ukraine had to do? How about they could have waiting until the next election to get a new President like a normal advanced country. You don't have a revolution over a trade agreement. Fact is, the Kiev government doesn't represent Ukraine. It represents a select portion of the country. It also supports far right-wing neo-nazi groups and has committed war crimes, but please, tell me how bad Russia is for maintaining some security in Crimea and all the protests that then happened in Crimea to show that the people weren't OK with them being there.
 
Russia is going to try to take the entire Middle East since Europe probably will put up too much of a fight.
 
Russia is going to try to take the entire Middle East

It is fundamentally impossible today. Russia has become much stronger compared with the crash of the 1990s. But she had neither the military nor the financial or political resources to capture and, most importantly, to keep something in the chaos of the Middle East.

That is why Russia now plays on the side of Assad. This allows the use of military and political power without the risk of loss (which would adversely affect the ratings of Putin in Russia). But to create a stable region supporting Russia.

Generally, the operation in Syria has brought Russia a lot of explicit and implicit bonuses.

From the Declaration on the world stage that Russia is once again in the game to new contracts for arms, performed well during the operation.

But to seize the whole of the Middle East - a task which is beyond the power of anyone in the world.
 
the russians dropped twice as many bombs as the US but the US is more focused on stabilizing Iraq because they don't like the assad regime

Really worked well, didn't it! ;)
 
Their "President" is a KGB agent and in bed with the Russian Mob, speaks volumes about those Russians.

Ours is a Skull & Bones confidant, or something like that, doing what he's told by the people to whom he is beholden. And he knows the last white boy to stand up to those people caught a bullet in the head.

Ours is playing checkers, Putin is playing chess. :lol:
 
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Above: Armed and masked Russian soldiers without insignia surround the Supreme Council of Crimea building on 27 February 2014 while the pro-Russian Aksyonov government is illegally installed on the inside. The illegal 16 March Aksyonov "referendum" violated the existing constitutions of both Ukraine and Crimea, which stipulated that the status of Crimea could not change unless approved by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine and approved by a nationwide referendum. A nationwide (all Ukraine) referendum would ensure that 2% of the population could not unilaterally decide the fate of land (Crimea) that belongs to all of the people of Ukraine. The illegal Aksyonov referendum cleverly ensured the same result (annexation by Russia) no matter which of the two referendum choices was ticked. The only material difference was in time-frame.



The Russian military invasions of Crimea and Donbas violate over a dozen treaties and documents duly signed by the Soviet Union/Russian Federation:

■ United Nations Charter (1945)

■ On Transfer of Crimean Region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR (USSR Supreme Soviet Presidium - February/April 1954)

■ Helsinki Accords (1975)

■ 1977 Soviet Constitution (Brezhnev Constitution)

■ Declaration № 142-Н of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union (1991)

■ Belavezha Accords (Creation Agreement) (1991)

■ Agreement on Establishing the Commonwealth of Independent States (1991)

■ Alma-Ata Protocol (1991)

■ Joint Russo-Ukrainian Black Sea Fleet Agreement (1992)

■ Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances (1994)

■ The Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet (1997)

  • Article 6 - "Russian military units shall conduct their operations and respect Ukraine’s sovereignty, obey its legislation and refrain from interference with Ukraine’s domestic affairs."

  • Article 8 - Military units shall conduct exercise and other combat and operative training within the limits of training centers, training areas, positioning and dispersal areas, firing ranges, and, except forbidden zones, within the designated airspace as agreed with Ukraine’s competent authorities."

■ Russian-Ukrainian Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership (1997)

  • Article 2 - Reaffirmed “the inviolability of the existing borders”

  • Article 3 - "The High Contracting Parties shall build their relations on the basis of principles of mutual respect of sovereign equality, territorial integrity, inviolability of borders, peaceful settlement of disputes, non-use of force or threat of force, including economic and other forms of pressure, non-interference into internal affairs."

  • Article 6 - "Either of the High Contracting Parties shall abstain from participation in or the support of any actions whatsoever which are directed against the other High Contracting Party, and obligates itself not to conclude with third countries any treaties whatsoever that are directed against the other Party. Neither Party shall also allow that its territory be used to the detriment of the security of the other Party."

  • Article 15 - "Movements related to activities of military units outside of their areas of disposition shall take place following an approval by Ukraine’s competent authorities."

■ Agreement between the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine and the Government of the Russian Federation on the Use of Airspace of Ukraine and of Airspace Over the Black Sea (1999)

■ Agreement between Ukraine and Russia on the Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine (Kharkiv Pact - 2010)

  • This agreement expanded the length of the Russian lease of its Black Sea naval base at Sevastopol until 2047. It maintained the $98 million in rent Russia paid to Ukraine annually, and Russia also agreed to sell gas to Ukraine at a discount price.



In March of 2014, the United Nations General Assembly rejected the Russian annexation of Crimea adopting a resolution affirming the "territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognised borders". The resolution also underscores that the referendum in Crimea, having no validity, cannot form the basis for any alteration of the status of Crimea. The resolution draws attention to the obligation of all States and international organizations not to recognize or to imply the recognition of Russia's annexation.

■ United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262 (2014)

General Assembly Adopts Resolution Calling upon States Not to Recognize Changes in Status of Crimea Region
 
Simpleχity;1065864996 said:
Above: Armed and masked Russian soldiers without insignia surround the Supreme Council of Crimea building on 27 February 2014

It is known to all.

Simpleχity;1065864996 said:
while the pro-Russian Aksyonov government is illegally installed on the inside.

His appointment as head of the Republic of Crimea was made by the Supreme Council of Crimea and by agreement with the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych.

Simpleχity;1065864996 said:
The illegal 16 March Aksyonov "referendum" violated the existing constitutions of both Ukraine and Crimea

You act against national self-determination? Then the return of Kosovo into Serbia. And, yes, go back the Soviet Union - its decay also passed in violation of law.

Simpleχity;1065864996 said:
referendum would ensure that 2% of the population could not unilaterally decide the fate of land (Crimea) that belongs to all of the people of Ukraine.

That's because of this attitude and the Crimea with Donbass is gone from Ukraine.

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And, Yes, I still do not understand what does the concert in Palmyra.
 
I think it was a UN resolution.

Well the US has been flying over Syria for some time now, perhaps a year or more, so your first point seems trivial and odd.
 
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