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He kept $4 billion for himself? Really now?
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Venezuela’s Woes are Mounting as it turns the Lights Off
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He kept $4 billion for himself? Really now?
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Hugo Chávez daughter is the richest individual in Venezuela, report claims | Fox News Latino
He's dead, his daughter is not
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:lamo I would love to see actual proof of this.
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Here is one of the reports. Chavez's daughter inherited $4.2 billion from her father.
Chavez's Treasury Minister, Alejandro Andrade, squirreled away $11.2 billion in Swiss bank accounts.
Congratulations, you are a cheerleader for one of the world's greatest kleptocracies.
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That just doesn't exist.
There isn't enough proof in the world to convince you that your'e wrong about Socialism and Chavez
Where do you here such things from? Do you just make them up or is someone feeding you lies?
Maria Gabriela Chávez Net Worth: Hugo Chávez's Daughter Richest Woman in Venezuela, Worth $4.2 Billion : World : Latin Post
"The net work of late socialist leader Hugo Chávez's second-oldest daughter is estimated at $4.2 billion, making María Gabriela Chávez the richest woman in Venezuela."
I wonder how she became so filthy rich being the daughter of a Socialist politician? Perhaps not all of that oil money went to social programs?
Well obviously not all that oil wealth went to the people who needed those social programs. I mean... are you really not paying attention to reality or what? FFS dude you should use google and check it out. Venezuela isnt a paradise.
https://panampost.com/sabrina-marti...ose-control-there-are-new-reports-of-looting/
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"Social spending doubled from 11.3 percent of GDP in 1998 to 22.8 percent of GDP in 2011."
Venezuelan Economic and Social Performance Under Hugo Chávez, in Graphs | The Americas Blog | Blogs | Publications | The Center for Economic and Policy Research
As I stated earlier I simple claim is not proof. Can you show me actual proof?
1.)Never denied any of the current struggles Venezuela is going through right now. You can go reread all my posts, at no point did I deny that Venezuela is going through economic turmoil right now
2.)I never called Venezuela a paradise.
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But so what? unless a socialist revolution is to be worldwide and instantaneous, it must be expected that a socialist society will exist side by side capitalist ones. One can hardly blame the capitalist society for having a superior social and economic order as the source of the ills of the socialist society.
"Social spending doubled from 11.3 percent of GDP in 1998 to 22.8 percent of GDP in 2011."
Venezuelan Economic and Social Performance Under Hugo Chávez, in Graphs | The Americas Blog | Blogs | Publications | The Center for Economic and Policy Research
Fat lot a good it did. Sounds more like inflated numbers and propaganda than anything, given the current state of affairs.
I dont care if you deny it. Pretend that Chavez didnt steal money from the proletariat if you want. it is quit obvious though so if you are going to pretend such things dont expect me not to laugh.
You seem to deny that Chavez didnt actually help the people of Venezuela and that their living conditions never really changed. The crime rate didnt improve at all. The poor did not live any better than when the last dictatorship was in power.
Right now the people of Venezuela are stealing food from the State ran stores in order to feed themselves. Why is the food in the store and not where people can eat it? WHy do they have to steal it? Come on dude you cant just keep ignoring reality.
Seriously Venezuela is pretty much the same type of example of socialism as the Soviet Union. But when people talk about the soviet union, socialists deny that it was real socialism. Which it wasnt. How long until you notice its the same?
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This devatstation is NOT happening in other Oil Rich countries,and it started Well before the Oil price dip.TheDemSocialist said:
Dying Infants and No Medicine: Inside Venezuela’s Failing Hospitals
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May 15, 2016 - NY Times
(Slideshow within.I posted 1)
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/16/w...cine-inside-venezuelas-failing-hospitals.html
BARCELONA, Venezuela — By morning, 3 newborns were already dead. The day had begun with the usual hazards: chronic shortages of antibiotics, intravenous solutions, even food.
Then a Blackout swept over the city, shutting down the respirators in the maternity ward.
Doctors kept ailing infants alive by pumping air into their lungs by Hand for hours. By nightfall, four more newborns had died. “The death of a baby is our daily bread,” said Dr. Osleidy Camejo, a surgeon in the nation’s capital, Caracas, referring to the toll from Venezuela’s collapsing hospitals.
The economic crisis in this country has exploded into a public health emergency, claiming the lives of untold numbers of Venezuelans. It is just part of a larger unraveling here that has become so severe it has prompted President Nicolás Maduro to impose a state of emergency and has raised fears of a government collapse.
Hospital wards have become crucibles where the forces tearing Venezuela apart have converged. Gloves and soap have vanished from some hospitals. Often, cancer medicines are found only on the black market. There is so little electricity that the government works only two days a week to save what energy is left.
At the University of the Andes Hospital in the mountain city of Mérida, there was not enough water to wash blood from the operating table. Doctors preparing for surgery cleaned their hands with bottles of seltzer water.
“It is like something from the 19th century,” said Dr. Christian Pino, a surgeon at the hospital
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Then a Blackout swept over the city, shutting down the respirators in the maternity ward.
Doctors kept ailing infants alive by pumping air into their lungs by Hand for hours. By nightfall, four more newborns had died. “The death of a baby is our daily bread,” said Dr. Osleidy Camejo, a surgeon in the nation’s capital, Caracas, referring to the toll from Venezuela’s collapsing hospitals.
The economic crisis in this country has exploded into a public health emergency, claiming the lives of untold numbers of Venezuelans. It is just part of a larger unraveling here that has become so severe it has prompted President Nicolás Maduro to impose a state of emergency and has raised fears of a government collapse.
Hospital wards have become crucibles where the forces tearing Venezuela apart have converged. Gloves and soap have vanished from some hospitals. Often, cancer medicines are found only on the black market. There is so little electricity that the government works only two days a week to save what energy is left.
At the University of the Andes Hospital in the mountain city of Mérida, there was not enough water to wash blood from the operating table. Doctors preparing for surgery cleaned their hands with bottles of seltzer water.
“It is like something from the 19th century,” said Dr. Christian Pino, a surgeon at the hospital
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This is always the more interesting part in these socialist experiments. They are never actually socialist, just more dictatorship.
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As the old saying goes: The only problem with socialism is the complete lack of socialists.
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The Electricity Crisis in Venezuela: A Cautionary Tale - The New Yorker
By Gretchen Bakke , May 17, 2016
By Gretchen Bakke , May 17, 2016
Last Friday, President Nicolás Maduro declared a sixty-day state of emergency throughout Venezuela. Alluding darkly to an American-backed plot against his regime, Maduro said that the new measure would help him protect his fellow-citizens from foreign and domestic threats, though he didn’t explain exactly how. There is certainly no denying that Venezuela is in dire straits. Inflation is so high that the government cannot afford to pay for the paper on which its currency, the bolívar, is printed. Lines at the grocery store grow longer even as the shelves grow emptier, and hospitals, such as they are, have run out of antibiotics, surgical supplies, and functioning medical equipment. The country’s electrical grid, too, is in a shambles. Planned blackouts roll through almost every region of the country daily, including the capital, Caracas, which has been estimated to have the highest murder rate of any city in the world. Early last month, Maduro announced a national furlough of public employees, instituting a four-day work week to conserve power; by the end of April, the week had shrunk further, to only two days. Time itself has been bent to the government’s needs, with the country’s clocks pushed forward by half an hour. Venezuelans will use all the daylight minutes they can get.
The main reason for these machinations, apart from long-term political mismanagement, is drought. There has been little rain in Venezuela in the past three years, and a crippling deficit last year in particular—a predictable effect of El Niño,[....] As a result, the water behind Venezuela’s dams, which supply around two-thirds of the country’s electricity, is at a historic low. At the Guri Dam, the nation’s largest hydropower facility, the water is reportedly within five metres of dead pool. At this low level, the worry is that air will get into the dam’s inner workings along with the water, producing vibrations in the metal turbine blades that can rattle the structure to death. If Venezuela’s reservoirs run dry and its dams stop working, its grid will, too.
In an effort to conserve electricity, the Venezuelan government has instituted rolling blackouts and a two-day work week for public employees, yet the hydropower crisis continues.
Beneath all the chaos that now characterizes daily life in Venezuela, one question rings forth: Why did the country with the largest fossil-fuel resources in Latin America, and among the largest on Earth, decide to generate its power with water, a notoriously unreliable substance?
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Even Human Rights Watch gets it. But the Che red shirt people keep denying that it is a dictatorship.
Letter from Human Rights Watch to Secretary General Almagro about Venezuela
"Dear Mr. Almagro,
I am writing to share with you Human Rights Watch’s views on applying the Inter-American Democratic Charter to Venezuela.
In light of the Venezuelan government’s egregious violation of the principle of separation of powers and the independence of the judiciary—manifest most recently in the re-packing of the country’s Supreme Court—we respectfully urge you to implement the mechanisms established in the charter for responding to threats to the democratic order in a member state. Specifically, we urge you to request the immediate convocation of the OAS’ Permanent Council to undertake a collective assessment of the situation in Venezuela and press for the restoration of judicial independence in the country.
The Venezuelan government has claimed that the OAS cannot invoke the charter to address the situation in Venezuela without the government’s consent. If this were true, such a requirement would defeat one of the central purposes the charter, which is to allow the OAS to respond when governments impair the democratic order within their own countries. Allowing such governments to determine when the charter can be applied would be to virtually guarantee it never will be.
But the Venezuelan government’s interpretation lacks legal basis. The charter makes perfectly clear in article 20 that the OAS can act without the consent of the government concerned to address “an unconstitutional alteration of the constitutional regime that seriously impairs the democratic order.” The Inter-American Court of Human Rights has stated that judicial independence and the separation of powers are essential components of the democratic order that the OAS is mandated to protect by the charter. And authoritative interpretations by the Inter-American Juridical Committee and the OAS Secretariat for Legal Affairs make clear that situations like the one we are witnessing in Venezuela—where the judiciary has ceased to function as an independent branch of government—warrant an active response by the OAS, with or without the consent of the Venezuelan government."
Letter from Human Rights Watch to Secretary General Almagro about Venezuela
"Dear Mr. Almagro,
I am writing to share with you Human Rights Watch’s views on applying the Inter-American Democratic Charter to Venezuela.
In light of the Venezuelan government’s egregious violation of the principle of separation of powers and the independence of the judiciary—manifest most recently in the re-packing of the country’s Supreme Court—we respectfully urge you to implement the mechanisms established in the charter for responding to threats to the democratic order in a member state. Specifically, we urge you to request the immediate convocation of the OAS’ Permanent Council to undertake a collective assessment of the situation in Venezuela and press for the restoration of judicial independence in the country.
The Venezuelan government has claimed that the OAS cannot invoke the charter to address the situation in Venezuela without the government’s consent. If this were true, such a requirement would defeat one of the central purposes the charter, which is to allow the OAS to respond when governments impair the democratic order within their own countries. Allowing such governments to determine when the charter can be applied would be to virtually guarantee it never will be.
But the Venezuelan government’s interpretation lacks legal basis. The charter makes perfectly clear in article 20 that the OAS can act without the consent of the government concerned to address “an unconstitutional alteration of the constitutional regime that seriously impairs the democratic order.” The Inter-American Court of Human Rights has stated that judicial independence and the separation of powers are essential components of the democratic order that the OAS is mandated to protect by the charter. And authoritative interpretations by the Inter-American Juridical Committee and the OAS Secretariat for Legal Affairs make clear that situations like the one we are witnessing in Venezuela—where the judiciary has ceased to function as an independent branch of government—warrant an active response by the OAS, with or without the consent of the Venezuelan government."