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FBI Reveals New Details About Its Probe Into Hillary Clinton's Use of Private Email S

Re: FBI Reveals New Details About Its Probe Into Hillary Clinton's Use of Private Ema

This part will be interesting...

Why?

Remember Scooter Libby.
...30 months in federal prison, a fine of $250,000, and two years of supervised release, including 400 hours of community service... and was sentenced immediately.

He didn't leak the name but was charged for forgetting... and if we use The Libby Standard, not only Hillary will be behind bars but her Posse... while Bill will be happily celebrating at some bar.

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Scooter Libby who committed perjury and then was pardoned ? Lol wtf does that have to do with this ?

To be accurate, President Bush did not pardon Libby.
 
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To be accurate, President Bush did not pardon Libby.

True. Bush commuted Libby's sentence, but left in place the conviction, fine and probation terms.
 
Re: FBI Reveals New Details About Its Probe Into Hillary Clinton's Use of Private Ema

Hillary has made about a dozen false statements including the fact she never sent any classified info even though
they have thousands of emails that they found that are classified and some above top secret that she sent through there.

she was also caught lying when she said she didn't use it prior a certain date but then it was found out that she was.
it doesn't help that the state department is trying to thwart the investigation by not turning over requested information.

they have plenty to hang her with.

regardless of what she thinks she isn't above the law nor should she be.

LOL politicians lie through their teeth on a daily basis. Or do you think lying = perjury ?
 
Re: FBI Reveals New Details About Its Probe Into Hillary Clinton's Use of Private Ema

This part will be interesting...

Why?

Remember Scooter Libby.
...30 months in federal prison, a fine of $250,000, and two years of supervised release, including 400 hours of community service... and was sentenced immediately.

He didn't leak the name but was charged for forgetting... and if we use The Libby Standard, not only Hillary will be behind bars but her Posse... while Bill will be happily celebrating at some bar.


Remember BEN-GONE-ZI...........WHITEWATER.........VINCE FOSTER.............TRAVELGATE........FILEGATE...........LOOTING THE WHITEHOUSE............CHINAGATE............MISSING BILLING RECORDS...........PARDONGATE..............

All noise with no substance.........Why should this time be any different?
 
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To be accurate, President Bush did not pardon Libby.

Not really, you're just splitting hairs.

"The action of an executive official of the government that mitigates or sets aside the punishment for a crime."

Pardon legal definition of pardon

He didn't give him a full (unconditional) pardon, but he commuted his sentence (conditional pardon).
 
Re: FBI Reveals New Details About Its Probe Into Hillary Clinton's Use of Private Ema

LOL politicians lie through their teeth on a daily basis. Or do you think lying = perjury ?

lying to the FBI is a criminal offense.
 
Re: FBI Reveals New Details About Its Probe Into Hillary Clinton's Use of Private Ema

I have always heard that if there is smoke, there is fire.

Hillary has been smoldering for almost 45 years.
 
Re: FBI Reveals New Details About Its Probe Into Hillary Clinton's Use of Private Ema

I have always heard that if there is smoke, there is fire.

Hillary has been smoldering for almost 45 years.


Does that mean she's hot stuff Navy?
 
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Hillary is the most establishment candidate in the presidential race. The establishment is doing and will do all it can to take care of its own. Hillary represents old Washington business as usual politics. More of the same **** is Hillary and the oligarchs like it that way.

If I recall correctly Nixon was a bit of an insider as well. Oh, that's right I almost forgot, he was a republican.
 
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And........still nothing to pin on Hillary.
Right. She seems like a true lady, easily representative of her country. Her demure southern manners and contributions to Americans social mores should do her well. The filthy mouth of Hillary Clinton |
 
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lying to the FBI is a criminal offense.

Which has nothing to do with your rambling thanks.
 
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Not really, you're just splitting hairs.

"The action of an executive official of the government that mitigates or sets aside the punishment for a crime."

Pardon legal definition of pardon

He didn't give him a full (unconditional) pardon, but he commuted his sentence (conditional pardon).

BS... Somehow I just knew you would try and defend your misstatement.

A pardon, any pardon is an "Exemption of a convicted person from the penalties of an offense or crime by the power of the executor of the laws." Or as the first sentence in the first paragraph from your link states: "The granting of a pardon to a person who has committed a crime or who has been convicted of a crime is an act of clemency, which forgives the wrongdoer and restores the person's Civil Rights."

Bush did not forgive Libby of his crimes, or restore his civil rights, nor did he impose any conditions on his executive order, therefore it was not a pardon, conditional or otherwise. Bush merely commuted his prison sentence to "time served" and let all other punishments handed down by the court stand.

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BS... Somehow I just knew you would try and defend your misstatement.

A pardon, any pardon is an "Exemption of a convicted person from the penalties of an offense or crime by the power of the executor of the laws." Or as the first sentence in the first paragraph from your link states: "The granting of a pardon to a person who has committed a crime or who has been convicted of a crime is an act of clemency, which forgives the wrongdoer and restores the person's Civil Rights."

Bush did not forgive Libby of his crimes, or restore his civil rights, nor did he impose any conditions on his executive order, therefore it was not a pardon, conditional or otherwise. Bush merely commuted his prison sentence to "time served" and let all other punishments handed down by the court stand.

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The first sentence definitively proved you wrong. The punishment was only mitigated.

And you were splitting hairs with your pathetic argument.
 
Re: FBI Reveals New Details About Its Probe Into Hillary Clinton's Use of Private Ema

1st she would have to be charged, yes?
If he does not pardon HRC, then Bernie is President.
I predict massive constipation by many Republicans.

I'd rather have Trump face Bernie, and have Hillary face that jail cell she's been deserving for so long.
 
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If I recall correctly Nixon was a bit of an insider as well. Oh, that's right I almost forgot, he was a republican.

No he wasn't. Nixon was a paranoid schizophrenic, which is similar but not necessarily the same thing as a Republican.
 
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The first sentence definitively proved you wrong. The punishment was only mitigated.

And you were splitting hairs with your pathetic argument.

Sorry, but a pardon is an exemption of all the penalties. aka wiping the slate clean. Bush did not pardon Libby.

George W. Bush: Dick Cheney Was Angry I Didn't Pardon Scooter Libby
By LUCY MADISON
CBS NEWS
November 8, 2010, 10:35 AM


In an interview that aired on NBC's "Today Show" Monday, Former President George W. Bush said his decision not to pardon former Vice Presidential aide Scooter Libby in 2008 did not sit well with former Vice President Dick Cheney.

"Scooter is a loyal American who worked for Vice President Cheney who got caught up in this Valerie Plame case and was indicted and convicted," Mr. Bush told NBC's Matt Lauer. Mr. Bush noted that while he chose to commute Libby's sentence, Cheney "wanted more."

"He wanted me to pardon him," Mr. Bush said. "It was the last decision of the presidency, really. I chose to let the jury verdict stand after some serious deliberation, and the Vice President was angry."

If CBS News doesn't suit you, then how about CNN:

Bush commutes Libby's prison sentence

EXCERPT

A commutation is distinct from a pardon, which is a complete eradication of a conviction record and makes it the same as if the person has never been convicted.

Bush has only commuted Libby's prison term, which means that the conviction remains on Libby's record and he must still pay a $250,000 fine. He will be on probation for two years.

I rest my case.


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Re: FBI Reveals New Details About Its Probe Into Hillary Clinton's Use of Private Ema

Sorry, but a pardon is an exemption of all the penalties. aka wiping the slate clean. Bush did not pardon Libby.



If CBS News doesn't suit you, then how about CNN:



I rest my case.


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Good, rest your failed case.

You're confusing the difference between a conditional pardon and an unconditional pardon.

I already explained it to you. You're welcome.
 
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Good, rest your failed case.

You're confusing the difference between a conditional pardon and an unconditional pardon.

I already explained it to you. You're welcome.

So when CNN states that "A commutation is distinct from a pardon" they have it all wrong and you have it right?

So I guess you also believe that the New York Times also got it wrong when they stated:

In choosing to commute the sentence, President Bush opted for the lesser of his two major constitutional powers of clemency. A pardon would have wiped out all of Mr. Libby’s penalties.

... and they were wrong again in another article when they said:

President Bush’s commutation of I. Lewis Libby Jr.’s prison sentence yesterday was not the equivalent of a pardon.

A commutation lessens the severity of the punishment. A pardon excuses or forgives the offense itself.


I guess ABC News also got it wrong too:

The president has broad discretion to exercise presidential power to pardon convicted felons. In this case, the president did not pardon Libby; rather, he waived his prison term

I guess all of the following news outlets are wrong also:

NBC News
Reuters
The Washington Times
The Seattle Times



Looks to me like you're just another liberal who doesn't have the integrity to admit when they make a mistake and puts politics ahead of honesty.

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So when CNN states that "A commutation is distinct from a pardon" they have it all wrong and you have it right?

So I guess you also believe that the New York Times also got it wrong when they stated:



... and they were wrong again in another article when they said:




I guess ABC News also got it wrong too:



I guess all of the following news outlets are wrong also:

NBC News
Reuters
The Washington Times
The Seattle Times



Looks to me like you're just another liberal who doesn't have the integrity to admit when they make a mistake and puts politics ahead of honesty.

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I understand that laypeople consider "pardon" to refer to a full (unconditional) pardon. I already cited the legal definition for you, clarifying what a conditional pardon (commutation of sentence) is :

"A conditional pardon imposes a condition on the offender before it becomes effective. Typically this means the commutation of a sentence. For example, the president has the power under the Pardon Clause to commute a death sentence on the condition that the accused serve the rest of his or her life in prison without eligibility for Parole, even though a life sentence imposed directly by a court would otherwise be subject to parole. In upholding this type of conditional pardon, the Supreme Court in Schick v. Reed, 419 U.S. 256, 95 S. Ct. 379, 42 L. Ed. 2d 430 (1974), reasoned that "considerations of public policy and humanitarian impulses support an interpretation of that [pardon] power so as to permit the attachment of any condition which does not otherwise offend the Constitution.""
 
Re: FBI Reveals New Details About Its Probe Into Hillary Clinton's Use of Private Ema

Sorry, but a pardon is an exemption of all the penalties. aka wiping the slate clean. Bush did not pardon Libby.



If CBS News doesn't suit you, then how about CNN:



I rest my case.


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By-the-book true but, basically, effectively meaningless distinction. Scooter got out of jail. I don't think Bush COULD pardon Libby without significant political backlash, especially after the GOP made such a stink after Clinton's pardons (never mind the gravity of the offense Libby was convicted of).
 
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By-the-book true but, basically, effectively meaningless distinction.

There is a very meaningful distinction between the two. A pardon forgives someone of their crimes and wipes their record clean just as if the crime never took place. The commutation handed down by president Bush did not forgive Libby of the crimes he was convicted of and didn't wipe his record clean. What it did was eliminate the 30 month prison sentence, while leaving in place the other penalties handed down by the judge. Libby is still a convicted felon and in my opinion, if the judge had sentenced Libby to a more reasonable prison term, Bush would have never commuted it.

The reason I engaged Absentglare on his use of the word "pardon" wasn't just because it was incorrect, but because the word falsely implies Libby was forgiven for his actions and his record wiped clean by the administration.

Scooter got out of jail. I don't think Bush COULD pardon Libby without significant political backlash, especially after the GOP made such a stink after Clinton's pardons (never mind the gravity of the offense Libby was convicted of).

I agree totally. Although I understood Bush's reasoning, I was still surprised when he commuted his prison sentence.
 
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Exactly. Its never going to happen and the republicans who hang their hat on this hope are delusional.

Oh... The Clinton Crime Family has skated every time (except for Felonious Bill being disbarred, fined and impeached)... that is true... but if we use the Scooter Libby or Petreaus Standard... she'll be behind bars and fined.

Of course... we are talking about Obama... and his hack at DoJ.

They're recovered 31,000 emails she deleted. I wonder how much was Clinton Foundation/SoS pay for play in there.

I wonder how often it was hacked by foreign agencies.

I wonder how her defense of not having Top Secret stamped on everything will stand up...

I wonder how her ordering staff to remove Top Secret from documents and having them send them over unsecured lines will stand up.

I wonder how you do not prosecute 1800 violations, and some dozens that are too sensitive to publish redacted.

I wonder how someone could defend and vote for a national security threat of this magnitude.
 
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Re: FBI Reveals New Details About Its Probe Into Hillary Clinton's Use of Private Ema

This part will be interesting...

Why?

Remember Scooter Libby.
...30 months in federal prison, a fine of $250,000, and two years of supervised release, including 400 hours of community service... and was sentenced immediately.

He didn't leak the name but was charged for forgetting... and if we use The Libby Standard, not only Hillary will be behind bars but her Posse... while Bill will be happily celebrating at some bar.

What were the new details? I have to ask because it really is not clear in the blogatorial you posted and I didn't see anything new. It is the title of the thread.
 
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