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French Prime Minister Manuel Valls declares Europe is in a state of war[W:31]

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Medusa said:
I just implied their interventions in the ME in my first post.thats all.I came across lots of hateful posts about muslims in such threads .anyone may feel the same as me
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True, how you feel and what you are saying is very understandable. Your posts just feed to beast against you though, especially when you let them know you are upset by what they say. Turkey is not innocent in the current Islamist growth in the region, but I haven't seen anything from you about supporting Islamists - I've just seen a national pride which is understandable. I would be glad to discuss this with you by PM or in another thread somewhere else that won't derail your thread here any more than we have already.

As to the thread topic and Turkey, if France and Belgium invoke NATO's Article 5, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan will have to make some seriously difficult choices as to how to act and who to support, since the PKK (as of right now) is the only ground force in Syria that can be counted upon to fight ISIS, and NATO will support them even more than they do already going forward. That would put Turkey in a tight spot given Turkey's undeclared war with the PKK and the ever increasing world view that Kurdistan should be recognized as a sovereign area of control by the Kurds in Eastern Turkey, Northern Syria, Northwestern Iraq, and Western Iran.
 
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Orly? said:
Good! Now they can STFU about america wanting to do the same.

I just hope this "declaration of war" will have a positive effect on the problem at hand rather than just negatively effect the citizens with a police state.
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War never has a positive effect. It may have a goal, and it may achieve that goal, but it never has a positive effect on anything except the bottom line for certain companies.
 
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Roadvirus said:
So does that mean Europe will stop importing the enemy (Muslims) by the thousands every day?
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Nope. The Turks can keep 'em.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
War never has a positive effect. It may have a goal, and it may achieve that goal, but it never has a positive effect on anything except the bottom line for certain companies.
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Gobledygook! War can be very positive on the net level.
 
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joG said:
Gobledygook! War can be very positive on the net level.
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What is the net level?
 
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Thoreau72 said:
War never has a positive effect. It may have a goal, and it may achieve that goal, but it never has a positive effect on anything except the bottom line for certain companies.
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Stopping the Nazis and the Japanese and ending the Holocaust was not a positive effect?
 
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LadyMoonlight said:
Stopping the Nazis and the Japanese and ending the Holocaust was not a positive effect?
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I suppose if killing millions and introducing society to nuclear weapons is a positive effect, you would be right. I'm skeptical.

Yes, those goals were achieved, but at what cost?
 
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Thoreau72 said:
I suppose if killing millions and introducing society to nuclear weapons is a positive effect, you would be right. I'm skeptical.

Yes, those goals were achieved, but at what cost?
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The cost would have been higher had the Allies not gone to war against the Nazis and the Japanese, and sooner or later, nuclear weapons would have been introduced with or without the war. The Nazis were working on getting nuclear weapons.
 
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LadyMoonlight said:
Stopping the Nazis and the Japanese and ending the Holocaust was not a positive effect?
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we have been seeing this positive effect in the ME now .
 
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Medusa said:
I hope EU collapses
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The EU elite certainly deserves losing its job.
 
Re: French Prime Minister Manuel Valls declares Europe is in a state of war

LadyMoonlight said:
The cost would have been higher had the Allies not gone to war against the Nazis and the Japanese, and sooner or later, nuclear weapons would have been introduced with or without the war. The Nazis were working on getting nuclear weapons.
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You offer hypotheticals, while I only judge what happened. I went to war as a young man, and everybody was asking the question "war, what is it good for?" the answer of course is "nothing" :mrgreen: And I am looking at it from the humane perspective, what is good for mankind?

So I'll stand by my statement, and repeat that war can have a goal, long term strategic considerations. I understand the human need for war, but to say war has a positive effect is somehow an oxymoron.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
What is the net level?
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When all is said and done it can be the optimal solution.
 
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joG said:
When all is said and done it can be the optimal solution.
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Not for mankind.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
Not for mankind.
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Of course it can. In that it is like any police action. You must establish order without which everyone is less well off.
 
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joG said:
Of course it can. In that it is like any police action. You must establish order without which everyone is less well off.
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Sure, anytime millions are killed it is an optimal solution for mankind, if you're the Grim Reaper. Love that tortured logic.
 
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Thoreau72 said:
Sure, anytime millions are killed it is an optimal solution for mankind, if you're the Grim Reaper. Love that tortured logic.
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The thing is, that the sub-optimal solution you seem to favor kills more and lets more starve.
 
Re: French Prime Minister Manuel Valls declares Europe is in a state of war

Medusa said:
I just implied their interventions in the ME in my first post.thats all.I came across lots of hateful posts about muslims in such threads .anyone may feel the same as me
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When you belong to a murderous religion which is committing murder and genocide against innocent people around the world you can expect criticism.

You can change religions, though this could put your life at risk for apostasy, or you can accept the reality of this backward religion and take the flack.

But Muslims can't seriously expect to have their members carrying out acts of terror around the world and not expect criticism. This idea is just another crazy idea in a religion rampant with crazy ideas.
 
Medusa said:
© REUTERS/ Eric Gaillard
The French prime minister has declared that Europe is currently in a state of war.

France has mobilized additional 1600 police officers, gendarmes to ensure security following the Brussels attacks.

"Europe is in a state of war. The terror threat remains on the highest level," Valls said at a government meeting.

A total of 400 additional police officers will boost security in the greater Paris area, and military patrols will be refocused on public transport sites.

Earlier France has closed its border with Belgium. ''



He acts like junior bush.once they wanted to change all the maps in the ME and supported every kind of terrorist in the ME .now it is the time to virtually take action .excuses are here,terrorists bomb me!!!!


French Prime Minister Manuel Valls declares Europe is in a state of war -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net
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This guy certainly agrees with the French PM. Norwegian Army Chief: Europe Will Have to “Fight” to Preserve Its Values » Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
 
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Manc Skipper said:
M. Valls doesn't speak for Europe.
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Perhaps not, but any dimwit will realize IslamoFaschists have declared war on Europe... even the Europeans.

Better late than never I guess.
 
Medusa said:
© REUTERS/ Eric Gaillard
The French prime minister has declared that Europe is currently in a state of war.
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Ukraine is the largest nation totally within Europe. Putin has killed 9,000+ in Ukraine so far.

Real war on the continent doesn't seem to bother Paris at all.
 
Simpleχity;1065734644 said:
Ukraine is the largest nation totally within Europe. Putin has killed 9,000+ in Ukraine so far.

Real war on the continent doesn't seem to bother Paris at all.
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Yeah, it makes me wonder where France and Germany's, and thus the EU's, true loyalties lie...
 
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Thoreau72 said:
You offer hypotheticals, while I only judge what happened. I went to war as a young man, and everybody was asking the question "war, what is it good for?" the answer of course is "nothing" :mrgreen: And I am looking at it from the humane perspective, what is good for mankind?

So I'll stand by my statement, and repeat that war can have a goal, long term strategic considerations. I understand the human need for war, but to say war has a positive effect is somehow an oxymoron.
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Fighting back, as in WWII, certainly had a positive effect. The same was true with the Communists and Fascists.
 
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zimmer said:
Perhaps not, but any dimwit will realize IslamoFaschists have declared war on Europe... even the Europeans.

Better late than never I guess.
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It seems to be acceptable loss for some of those dimwits. ;)
 
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