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How Sunday stopped being special for the American worker

tres borrachos said:
Lots of businesses are open on Sunday. Lots of people work on Sunday. Restaurants. Football players. Firefighters. Doctors. Television crew. Telephone lines people. Landscapers. Janitors in rest stops. I mean, seriously....WTF is the point of this thread?
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Pastors... :D

I'm still thinking of protesting chick fil a for closing on Sundays...I really wanted some waffle fries the other Sunday.
 
Bill Fishlore said:
"Weekend is a late 19th century concept. You will find no referece to "weekend" in the Federalist Papers. Sunday is a day of Christian Sabbath. In order to promote church attendance, we had "blue laws" for several centuries. The reason the "weekend" includes Saturday and Sunday rather than, say, Friday and Saturday, is one of Christian religious tradition.

I find you assertion that I am incorrect amusing because you really cite no countervaling evidence except for the silly idea of "weekend." I'm afraid I see nothing in your post to suggest that I should view you as an authority on this topic, merely pretentiously discourteous.

In cultures with a six-day workweek, the day of rest derives from the culture's main religious tradition: Friday (Muslim), Saturday (Jewish and Seventh-day Adventist), and Sunday (most Christian). However, numerous countries have adopted a two-day weekend over the past several decades, i.e. either Thursday–Friday, Friday–Saturday, or Saturday–Sunday.

In 1908, the first five-day workweek in the United States was instituted by a New England cotton mill so that [Jewish]] workers would not have to work on the Sabbath from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workweek_and_weekend
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That's a lot of words to say nothing.

You asserted that Sunday premium pay was establishment of religion. I am aware of no court that has ever agreed with this position. Sunday premium is a standard union contract item, it's required in Massachusetts, required in federal agencies and contracts, requirements such as these have never been struck down nor do they violate the anti-establishment clause.

Whether you celebrate the sabbath or not is irrelevant, Sunday has been regarded as a day of rest in this society, both religiously and in secular society, employers should have to pay extra for that . I have in all hourly jobs I've worked.

In fact the old blue laws allowing states to totally ban operations on Sunday were upheld by the Supreme Court on three separate occasions. This is because allowing Sunday as a day off is consistent with secular aims of the state. See McGowan v Maryland especially
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
That's a lot of words to say nothing.

You asserted that Sunday premium pay was establishment of religion. I am aware of no court that has ever agreed with this position. Sunday premium is a standard union contract item, it's required in Massachusetts, required in federal agencies and contracts, requirements such as these have never been struck down nor do they violate the anti-establishment clause.

Whether you celebrate the sabbath or not is irrelevant, Sunday has been regarded as a day of rest in this society, both religiously and in secular society, employers should have to pay extra for that . I have in all hourly jobs I've worked.
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Perhaps I misunderstood your point. I claimed the obvious: Sunday has special status as the Christian day of worship. Its role in employee hour and pay as well as its prohibition of certain business activities traces back to that basic fact. Laws granting special status to Sunday have the same First Amendment problem as laws granting special status to Christmas. This all seems so obvious that I wonder why you are getting all steamed up about it.
 
Ntharotep said:
So you don't like getting holidays off or paid extra to work them?
Who shoots themselves in the foot like that for the "enlightenment of mankind"?

I'm not a Christian. I love Sunday being a restful kind of not necessarily bust my ass day.
I also enjoy getting paid more on Sunday if I have to work.
If Christianity gave me that then its something they got right. :)
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I love getting Sunday's off, and still get them off because I own my own business now. My point is for those who can't stand religion and want it to go away. This is one of the benefits.
 
Bill Fishlore said:
Perhaps I misunderstood your point. I claimed the obvious: Sunday has special status as the Christian day of worship. Its role in employee hour and pay as well as its prohibition of certain business activities traces back to that basic fact. Laws granting special status to Sunday have the same First Amendment problem as laws granting special status to Christmas. This all seems so obvious that I wonder why you are getting all steamed up about it.
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Because I'm not Christian, get my Sunday pay, and prefer the atheists leave my paycheck alone

Because when an atheist starts saying "this is an establishment of religion" next thing you know they'll be pushing to take it away
 
JC Callender said:
I love getting Sunday's off, and still get them off because I own my own business now. My point is for those who can't stand religion and want it to go away. This is one of the benefits.
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True, and religion has good things that result, and it has bad things that result from its practice, and that's why it is so important that government remain neutral on all things religious, despite the presence of what might be called religious artwork on certain federal buildings.

I doubt most people want religion to go away, or if they do they mean only "go away from me", leave me alone if you're proselytizing, and I don't mean to suggest that you are.

I have many religious friends, but I don't practice religion anymore.
 
Bill Fishlore said:
Among your felow country boys of evangelical bent, the claim that America is and was founded as "a Christian nation" is widespread ask your pastor. Sunday is a mandated "day of rest" sanctioned in canon law along with mandatory church services. Caling someone "silly" because he knows things you don't is not only discourteous, it makes you look stupid. Please be civil or I shall have to forego the pleasure of your posts.
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Sorry, but it is silly, in the extreme, to make bogus assertions about American Christians. You are either making **** up, or you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. I noticed you didn't provide any evidence as I asked you to do. What a shocker. :roll:
 
Dibbler said:
How Sunday stopped being special for the American worker



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news.../?postshare=6281458344580373&tid=ss_tw-bottom

Slave wages and mandatory weekends and holidays for you slaves !
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The last job I had that had a sunday premium, it also had a 2nd and third shift premium. instead of just cutting it they outsourced weekends and night hours.
My current job does have the shift premium (I get an extra 8% for working 1:30 to 10p) but no sunday premium. Most people I know don't want to work weekends. for me I don't mind working sunday evenings. not like I'm doing anything else.
 
tres borrachos said:
Lots of businesses are open on Sunday. Lots of people work on Sunday. Restaurants. Football players. Firefighters. Doctors. Television crew. Telephone lines people. Landscapers. Janitors in rest stops. I mean, seriously....WTF is the point of this thread?
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Spank bank stuff for Wal-Mart haters, nothing more.
 
Bill Fishlore said:
Whether it has done me any harm personally is irrelevant. Like Christmas shrines on government property the issue of government favoritism toward one sect or another.
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Sounds like complaining to me.
 
tres borrachos said:
Lots of businesses are open on Sunday. Lots of people work on Sunday. Restaurants. Football players. Firefighters. Doctors. Television crew. Telephone lines people. Landscapers. Janitors in rest stops. I mean, seriously....WTF is the point of this thread?
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The point of the thread is simply an observation of the changing, or already changed, view of Sunday as a day off. That's all, a cultural anecdote. Oh yes, and spiraling downward of wages and an EMPLOYER attitude that subjects the slaves to labor 24/7/365, without ANY premiums for certain days, traditionally considered off.
 
Dibbler said:
The point of the thread is simply an observation of the changing, or already changed, view of Sunday as a day off. That's all, a cultural anecdote. Oh yes, and spiraling downward of wages and an EMPLOYER attitude that subjects the slaves to labor 24/7/365, without ANY premiums for certain days, traditionally considered off.
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Sunday hasn't been a "day off" for many people since the dawn of freakin time.

Conversely, Sunday is still a day off for many people.

You're thread is a gigantic FAIL.

:failpail:
 
Dragonfly said:
Sunday hasn't been a "day off" for many people since the dawn of freakin time.

Conversely, Sunday is still a day off for many people.

You're thread is a gigantic FAIL.

:failpail:
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pfft....So many eyes on your little fly head, yet you fail to see...
 
Dibbler said:
The point of the thread is simply an observation of the changing, or already changed, view of Sunday as a day off. That's all, a cultural anecdote. Oh yes, and spiraling downward of wages and an EMPLOYER attitude that subjects the slaves to labor 24/7/365, without ANY premiums for certain days, traditionally considered off.
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Actually, no. People have been working on Sundays for thousands of years. Many. People have even been working in this country alone on Sunday for hundreds of years. Do you think people who had maids and butlers cooked their own breakfasts on Sundays? Washed their own underwear? People with nannies diapered their own babies? The NYPD was established in the mid 1800s. Do you think until recently there were no police walking the beat on Sundays? Did stagecoaches not run on Sundays? Just made travelers sit in the coach for 24 hours? Did the POTUS not have to address anything that happened on a Sunday? Is moving church services to Sunday a recent thing?
 
Moon said:
Spank bank stuff for Wal-Mart haters, nothing more.
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My husband and I always fly on Sundays when we go away. I'll have to look at all of the airport/hotel/airline staff next time. Apparently they all work for WalMart.
 
tres borrachos said:
Actually, no. People have been working on Sundays for thousands of years. Many. People have even been working in this country alone on Sunday for hundreds of years. Do you think people who had maids and butlers cooked their own breakfasts on Sundays? Washed their own underwear? People with nannies diapered their own babies? The NYPD was established in the mid 1800s. Do you think until recently there were no police walking the beat on Sundays? Did stagecoaches not run on Sundays? Just made travelers sit in the coach for 24 hours? Did the POTUS not have to address anything that happened on a Sunday? Is moving church services to Sunday a recent thing?
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Don't forget hospitals, military, emergency, fire fighters, restaurants, resorts/vacation, sports...and all the people it takes to run a sporting event...
 
Dragonfly said:
Don't forget hospitals, military, emergency, fire fighters, restaurants, resorts/vacation, sports...and all the people it takes to run a sporting event...
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Yeah I pointed them out to him earlier and he still doesn't see it. I tried to show him that even hundreds of years ago, people worked on Sundays. This one has his agenda and ain't deviating from it.
 
jet57 said:
And the walmart worker's brilliant comeback for this will be; "Well, it's money".
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It's not as if they weren't likely expecting this since it says that newer employees haven't gotten this extra money for Sundays at all, only older employees.
 
Dibbler said:
The point of the thread is simply an observation of the changing, or already changed, view of Sunday as a day off. That's all, a cultural anecdote. Oh yes, and spiraling downward of wages and an EMPLOYER attitude that subjects the slaves to labor 24/7/365, without ANY premiums for certain days, traditionally considered off.
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It's been changed for a while now. It absolutely sucks and between things like cost of college, unavailability of jobs that are weekdays 9-5, and other factors, people end up having to work more inconvenient schedules. And some jobs have always had to work weekends (those are the more likely jobs to get the differential) such as many jobs already listed by others, especially 24/7 emergency or care jobs.
 
I see no reason why Sunday should be treated differently than any other day of the week.
 
roguenuke said:
It's not as if they weren't likely expecting this since it says that newer employees haven't gotten this extra money for Sundays at all, only older employees.
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That probably means that newer people were not allowed the Sunday shift. Companies are not required to pay people overtime for weekends and you might know.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Because I'm not Christian, get my Sunday pay, and prefer the atheists leave my paycheck alone

Because when an atheist starts saying "this is an establishment of religion" next thing you know they'll be pushing to take it away
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This was kinda my point but you stated it better :)
No more Christmas holidays, no more Easter break...just to "enlighten the masses".
No thanks.
I'll keep my holidays and not begrudge the Christians who celebrate them.
 
countryboy said:
Sorry, but it is silly, in the extreme, to make bogus assertions about American Christians. You are either making **** up, or you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. I noticed you didn't provide any evidence as I asked you to do. What a shocker. :roll:
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Let me guess, genius. You want a citation about keeping the Sabbath holy and an authority for changing the Sabbath to the day the Resurrection? Put down your snake and pick up your Bible, countryboy. Don't you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ? Ask him. It's guys like you that give Christianity a bad name.
 
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