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Syrian Kurds 'preparing to declare self-administration'

Medusa said:
TOO MANY turkey haters,just hate and ignorance
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Hate and ignorance? From the person who just said Kurdish people are "primitive".
 
PakPuk said:
Kurds are primitive? I guess the Armenians were primitive as well. Take your supremacy and shove it.
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you know what I mean.just be a nation and fight like a man instead of supporting terrorizing thw region

stop accusing me of somthing I didnt do.
 
Medusa said:
you read my responses to harry,do you still ask me this ? they should go back but they WONT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Go back where?

yes it was worse than the western media showed us.why don't you think bosnians were human too ?none of you care about those people.
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They were all killing each other. all sides committed atrocities.
 
PakPuk said:
Hate and ignorance? From the person who just said Kurdish people are "primitive".
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your english is not good or you PRETEND TO misunderstand my sarcastic post
 
Medusa said:
you know what I mean.just be a nation and fight like a man instead of supporting terrorizing thw region

stop accusing me of somthing I didnt do.
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No I don't know what you mean Kurds are people just like Turks who want to be treated with dignity.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Go back where?




They were all killing each other. all sides committed atrocities.
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come on man they gave you turkey ,but your ancestors killed them.wont you give them a state ??

any small state .kurds deserve it but natives dont ?
honesty is a good thing!!!!!!!

you all know little about it

these pkk supoorter kurds will never give up living in most beautiful cities of TURKEY

İF YOU can,convince them to go back to kurdistan!!!!but they keep betraying and supportimg terrorism

anyway ,when will you give natives a state ?
 
PeteEU said:
The key word here is "indigenous" people. In fact the word "Kurd" is most likely a derogatory term used long ago against a rebellious part of the Persian Empire. It represented a nomadic people of the Persian Empire, but ultimately .. Persians, todays Iranians.

If we were to allow every group of people that think they are indigenous to a region.. to form their own country, then all hell would break lose. Look at your own back woods... Every American Indian tribe that still exists after the genocide would be able to claim this and demand statehood.. would you allow that? Of course not. It would mean that most of the US would have to be handed back to the indigenous peoples. It goes for almost every country outside Europe and China/Japan. Hell even Indian could have massive problems considering the historical Rajs and what not in that country. Just because at this moment in time the Kurds are our "allies" in a fight, does not mean they will remain so in the future... it is simply not in their nature if you look through their history.

Basically what I am saying, it is a dangerous path to go down, and the fact that this "kurdish" area spreads over 4 countries.. well 5 because there is also Kurdish parts of Armenia.. then well it is one mess just waiting to happen if it is allowed. You do understand that technically you could argue that Yervan, the capital of Armenia is actually part of a Kurdish state? That wont go down well with the Armenians,....

This of course does not mean that you cant allow some sort of self rule within the countries in question. I would strongly recommend that, but of course that is also a massive problem for the countries in question due to their history.

I just dont see any path forward that can give the Kurds a homeland without it causing a gigantic war in the region.
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Why would there be a war?
 
Medusa said:
your english is not good or you PRETEND TO misunderstand my sarcastic post
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Primitive (if you know English well) means a lesser to someone or something else.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I hope they get it.
They've been stuck under the rule of various nations for centuries.
They deserve a nation to call their own.
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Although this wont give them full independence and self determination its defiantly a start.
 
Medusa said:
come on man they gave you turkey ,but your ancestors killed them.wont you give them a state ??

any small state .kurds deserve it but natives dont ?
honesty is a good thing!!!!!!!
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i have no idea what you are on about here. I see kurds wanting self determination. I see oppressive governments telling them "no".
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
i have no idea what you are on about here. I see kurds wanting self determination. I see oppressive governments telling them "no".
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The Kurds he says are primitive and are traitors.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Although this wont give them full independence and self determination its defiantly a start.
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They're in many ways a lot like the Turks.
Religious moderates, protecting religious minorities (Assyrians and Yazidis) and are friends to westerns.

In Iraq, the Kurdish north is the most stable in the whole country.
They're even trying to move to outlaw FEM.
I can't find a good reason to not support them in independence.
 
Medusa said:
İT HURTS YOU ? you should CARE ABOUT NATİVE AMERİCANS İF YOU ARE HONEST
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what "jhurts me"? what are you on about?


Are you suggesting because a couple hundred years ago we mistreated the indigenous populations that turkey should be free to mistreat the kurds?

for reelz?


GOOGLE is your friend now.but I already know this without googling
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Google what now?
 
Medusa said:
stop calling yourself socialist,you are not different from your governments
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:confused: Is that a non-answer? Whats imperialist about Kurds in Rojava declaring federal autonomy?
 
Medusa said:
partly true,but being a nation is not that easy.The pkk supporters in Turkey never wants to leave Turkey whether kurdistan is founded or not but they keep trying to divide this country while taking the advantage of having turkish passport and being Turkish citizen.no country would forgive that.

in addition and whats more important ,if all others support a terrorist organization,even social democrat people can not believe in their sincerity ,they claim to be socialist but the capitalist west fully supports this org.on the other hand they comdemn terrorism.
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It was not that long ago that Kurd's could not be taught in the own language.
Your country has used and abused the Kurd's for quite some time.

After Being Banned for Almost a Century, Turkey's Kurds Are Clamoring to Learn Their Own Language

https://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/turkey/turkey993-08.htm
IX. RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF THE KURDISH LANGUAGE

International Legal Protections

International law protects the rights of persons to assert their membership in an ethnic minority and to express themselves in the minority’s traditional language. The U.N. Declaration on the Rights of Persons Belonging to National or Ethnic, Religious and Linguistic Minorities, in particular, requires states to ensure that members of minorities “have adequate opportunities to learn their mother tongue,” explaining that such persons have “the right . . . to use their own language, in private and in public, freely without interference or any form of discrimination.”254 Although the declaration lacks the binding legal force of a treaty, it constitutes an authoritative explication of existing treaty norms protecting the rights to free expression and non-discrimination.
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https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2015/country-chapters/turkey
The Justice and Development Party (AKP) and Recep Tayyip Erdoğan—elected president in August 2014—are undermining the gains of the past decade with steps that erode human rights and the rule of law in Turkey. In the wake of the mass protests in the summer of 2013 that began in Istanbul and spread to other cities, the government continued a policy of controlling media and the Internet and clamping down on critics.

Corruption allegations in December 2013 implicating the government, with Istanbul prosecutors ordering scores of arrests in December, were followed by circulation on social media of politically damaging leaked telephone calls supporting the allegations. In response, the government intensified its interference in the criminal justice system, reassigning judges, prosecutors, and police, attempted to exert greater executive control over Turkey’s already politicized judiciary, and clamped down on Internet freedom.
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