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Syrian Kurds 'preparing to declare self-administration'

Medusa said:
Salaaddin was kurd or not,we still dont know ,harry but it is not even problem.these kurds still want to live in Turkey but keep supporting terrorism.none of them comdemned the latest disaster in Ankara.it was declared their terrorist committed this bombing .but we all felt sorry when their supporters were killed in October in such attacks.

these people will never give up living in the most beautiful places of my country .however they keep betraying this country.harry do you get ? what I want to see is honesty.......and they are not honest.being a nation is not that easy you know
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I agree, being a murderer/killer is wrong.
To be honest though, you guys should of let them go when Ataturk reformed things.

The PKK should come to the table, if they want to join the Syrian Kurds let them, if they don't then they need to stop all attacks.
 
PeteEU said:
Actually they dont. The Kurds are massively divided politically along "clan" lines which has caused problems before. Fact is Iraqi Kurdistan only works because they have a common enemy... As for being a "nation".. Kurdistan has never existed. I understand that these people want to have their own country, but not at the cost of a massive war that costs millions of lives. Any nation should be born out of as peaceful methods as possible.
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Your kidding right? because the indigenous peoples of that area, never called thier country "kurdistan" and then after wwi to have thier proposed borders sucked into turkey dont have a right to self rule and government?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Your kidding right? because the indigenous peoples of that area, never called thier country "kurdistan" and then after wwi to have thier proposed borders sucked into turkey dont have a right to self rule and government?
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nobody is kidding.imperialist rightists should look back to their native americans!

what do you know about the history? nothing but when it comes to dividing other countries

bosnians were humans too.nobody ignored.

what do you know about the treaty of sevres ? just google then come here as if you know..
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Your kidding right? because the indigenous peoples of that area, never called thier country "kurdistan" and then after wwi to have thier proposed borders sucked into turkey dont have a right to self rule and government?
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Dude Kurdish dominate areas have been apart of Turkey/Ottoman Empire for centuries.
WW1 just cut their border down.
 
Medusa said:
nobody is kidding.imperialist rightists should look back to their native americans!

what do you know about the history? nothing but when it comes to dividing other countries

bosnians were humans too.nobody ignored.

what do you know about the treaty of sevres ? just google then come here as if you know..
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Let me ask you... you have an area were these people have lived, it can be separated from neighboring countries and formed as they want into thier own.


why not?


And bosnia? that **** was nothing like it was portrayed by the media.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
cut it down implies there is a kurdistan somewheres.
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No it's just that the Ottoman Empire was enormous, covering the lands that Kurds occupy to this day.

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Harry Guerrilla said:
No it's just that the Ottoman Empire was enormous, covering the lands that Kurds occupy to this day.

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what's your point? You have this group that's has historically lived in an area wanting self determination. What is the problem with recognition?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
They want it now. So why shouldn't they?
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I didn't say they shouldn't.
It was that they didn't get absorbed by the Ottomans after WW1, the Ottomans lost some of their territory to politically created new independent states.
Making Kurd unification more difficult.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I didn't say they shouldn't.
It was that they didn't get absorbed by the Ottomans after WW1, the Ottomans lost some of their territory to politically created new independent states.
Making Kurd unification more difficult.
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absorbed was the wrong word. they had a border and country mapped out in the Treaty of Sèvres, but was dropped with the Treaty of Lausanne after WW1
 
Medusa said:
they are a part of my country but keep betraying..they should be honest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Betraying? I don't think they care if they betray Turkey since they don't want to be apart of Turkey? Stop occupying their land.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Let me ask you... you have an area were these people have lived, it can be separated from neighboring countries and formed as they want into thier own.


why not?


And bosnia? that **** was nothing like it was portrayed by the media.
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you read my responses to harry,do you still ask me this ? they should go back but they WONT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


yes it was worse than the western media showed us.why don't you think bosnians were human too ?none of you care about those people.
 
pakpuk said:
betraying? I don't think they care if they betray turkey since they don't want to be apart of turkey? Stop occupying their land.
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southeast İs my country accordİng to lousanne treaty.act lİke a natİon,stop terrorİsm,fİght and get İt wİthout İmperİalİst aİd

yes they always want to be a part of turkey.would you stop lİvİng İn İstanbul ? They cant go back beacuse they are dİshonest İmperİalİst puppets
 
Medusa said:
southeast İs my country accordİng to lousanne treaty.act lİke a natİon,stop terrorİsm,fİght and get İt wİthout İmperİalİst aİd

yes they always want to be a part of turkey.would you stop lİvİng İn İstanbul ? They cant go back beacuse they are dİshonest İmperİalİst puppets
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So they want to be part of Turkey then? (trying not to laugh).
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
absorbed was the wrong word. they had a border and country mapped out in the Treaty of Sèvres, but was dropped with the Treaty of Lausanne after WW1
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İT HURTS YOU ? you should CARE ABOUT NATİVE AMERİCANS İF YOU ARE HONEST

GOOGLE is your friend now.but I already know this without googling
 
PakPuk said:
So they want to be part of Turkey then? (trying not to laugh).
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so tell them to go back to kurdistan ,those 6 7 million kurds! but they keep supportig pkk and bein a part of this country in istanbul,izmir ankara!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
TOO MANY turkey haters,just hate and ignorance
 
Medusa said:
so tell them to go back to kurdistan ,those 6 7 million kurds! but they keep supportig pkk and bein a part of this country in istanbul,izmir ankara!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not all of them support the PKK, many just want independence. Why can't they have independence?
 
Medusa said:
if you agree with imperialist policies as a socialist ,you shouldnt be happy either.
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Whats the "imperialist policy" here? Kurds declaring federal autonomy?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Your kidding right? because the indigenous peoples of that area, never called thier country "kurdistan" and then after wwi to have thier proposed borders sucked into turkey dont have a right to self rule and government?
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The key word here is "indigenous" people. In fact the word "Kurd" is most likely a derogatory term used long ago against a rebellious part of the Persian Empire. It represented a nomadic people of the Persian Empire, but ultimately .. Persians, todays Iranians.

If we were to allow every group of people that think they are indigenous to a region.. to form their own country, then all hell would break lose. Look at your own back woods... Every American Indian tribe that still exists after the genocide would be able to claim this and demand statehood.. would you allow that? Of course not. It would mean that most of the US would have to be handed back to the indigenous peoples. It goes for almost every country outside Europe and China/Japan. Hell even Indian could have massive problems considering the historical Rajs and what not in that country. Just because at this moment in time the Kurds are our "allies" in a fight, does not mean they will remain so in the future... it is simply not in their nature if you look through their history.

Basically what I am saying, it is a dangerous path to go down, and the fact that this "kurdish" area spreads over 4 countries.. well 5 because there is also Kurdish parts of Armenia.. then well it is one mess just waiting to happen if it is allowed. You do understand that technically you could argue that Yervan, the capital of Armenia is actually part of a Kurdish state? That wont go down well with the Armenians,....

This of course does not mean that you cant allow some sort of self rule within the countries in question. I would strongly recommend that, but of course that is also a massive problem for the countries in question due to their history.

I just dont see any path forward that can give the Kurds a homeland without it causing a gigantic war in the region.
 
poor native americans,they are primitive and never deserve to have a state
 
PeteEU said:
The key word here is "indigenous" people. In fact the word "Kurd" is most likely a derogatory term used long ago against a rebellious part of the Persian Empire. It represented a nomadic people of the Persian Empire, but ultimately .. Persians, todays Iranians.

If we were to allow every group of people that think they are indigenous to a region.. to form their own country, then all hell would break lose. Look at your own back woods... Every American Indian tribe that still exists after the genocide would be able to claim this and demand statehood.. would you allow that? Of course not. It would mean that most of the US would have to be handed back to the indigenous peoples. It goes for almost every country outside Europe and China/Japan. Hell even Indian could have massive problems considering the historical Rajs and what not in that country. Just because at this moment in time the Kurds are our "allies" in a fight, does not mean they will remain so in the future... it is simply not in their nature if you look through their history.

Basically what I am saying, it is a dangerous path to go down, and the fact that this "kurdish" area spreads over 4 countries.. well 5 because there is also Kurdish parts of Armenia.. then well it is one mess just waiting to happen if it is allowed. You do understand that technically you could argue that Yervan, the capital of Armenia is actually part of a Kurdish state? That wont go down well with the Armenians,....

This of course does not mean that you cant allow some sort of self rule within the countries in question. I would strongly recommend that, but of course that is also a massive problem for the countries in question due to their history.

I just dont see any path forward that can give the Kurds a homeland without it causing a gigantic war in the region.
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The Ameri-Indians have quasi states.
Just saying.
 
Medusa said:
poor native americans,they are primitive and never deserve to have a state
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Kurds are primitive? I guess the Armenians were primitive as well. Take your supremacy and shove it.
 
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