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Ben Carson: Why yes, I have been promised a position in the Trump administrati[W:120]

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jmotivator said:
No, it isn't illegal. I am baffled as to how you have come to this conclusion.
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Apparently you don't read well. No shock there.
 
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jmotivator said:
no, it isn't illegal. I am baffled as to how you have come to this conclusion.
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18 usc §599
whoever, being a candidate, directly or indirectly promises or pledges the appointment, or the use of his influence or support for the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
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So yes, a direct exchange of support for appointment is illegal.
 
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Deuce said:
18 usc §599

whoever, being a candidate, directly or indirectly promises or pledges the appointment, or the use of his influence or support for the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
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So yes, a direct exchange of support for appointment is illegal.
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Deuce said:
18 usc §599 So yes, a direct exchange of support for appointment is illegal.
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If that's the case it would certainly seem to settle the debate, though doubt it's strongly enforced.
 
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Deuce said:
18 usc §599


So yes, a direct exchange of support for appointment is illegal.
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Thanks for the link. I guess it is time to round up all politicians.
 
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jmotivator said:
Thanks for the link. I guess it is time to round up all politicians.
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You say that like it is a bad thing.
 
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Top Cat said:
Ben Carson: Why yes, I have been promised a position in the Trump administration « Hot Air


Naughty naughty...That's a no-no.
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Dr. Ben Carson is a bizarre individual. He might be unusually bright when it comes to brain surgery, but an overall comprehensive view of his public statements dealing with Gay matters, and the Egyptian pyramids built to hold grain leaves much to be desired intellectually by this conservative former GOP former presidential candidate. In fact, in some subjects he appears to be downright out of touch with reality.
 
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Deuce said:
There's no actual proof that there was any quid pro quo.

it's the sort of crime you'll never be charged with unless you literally allow yourself to be recorded saying "Yes if you endorse me I will give you a position."
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However, a jury could convict if it believed the testimony of the person who claims a nepotist appointment was offered in exchange for supporting the candidate.
 
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Grant said:
If that's the case it would certainly seem to settle the debate, though doubt it's strongly enforced.
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jmotivator said:
Thanks for the link. I guess it is time to round up all politicians.
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You pretty much have to let yourself be recorded stating in blunt terms "yes in exchange for your support i will give you an appointed position."

Otherwise all the fancy lawyers just say it's a coincidence.
 
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Mr Person said:
However, a jury could convict if it believed the testimony of the person who claims a nepotist appointment was offered in exchange for supporting the candidate.
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Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard and this isn't a scenario where that's an easy bar to clear.
 
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Top Cat said:
So you have no problem with Trump breaking the law then. Got it.
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Apparently not.

Let's face it though, these backroom deals happen all the time. Except for Carson rather stupidly saying it out loud, this would be just another one of those.
 
Re: Ben Carson: Why yes, I have been promised a position in the Trump administrati[W:

Mr Person said:
However, a jury could convict if it believed the testimony of the person who claims a nepotist appointment was offered in exchange for supporting the candidate.
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Deuce said:
Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard and this isn't a scenario where that's an easy bar to clear.
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Yes, I know the standard. I do appeals in criminal cases.


But I wasn't talking about precisely how difficult the case would be. I was simply pointing out that you set the bar rather too high in claiming that a candidate will not be charged in these circumstances "unless [they] literally allow [themselves] to be recorded saying 'Yes if you endorse me I will give you a position.'"

Statements by a sufficiently credible witness could suffice.
 
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Deuce said:
18 usc §599


So yes, a direct exchange of support for appointment is illegal.
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And if the job offer comes after the pledge of support, what then?
 
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Deuce said:
You pretty much have to let yourself be recorded stating in blunt terms "yes in exchange for your support i will give you an appointed position."

Otherwise all the fancy lawyers just say it's a coincidence.
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It's also bizarre given that the entirety of life as a politician is this kind of horse trading for actual money (pork projects, campaign bundling) for support and votes.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
And if the job offer comes after the pledge of support, what then?
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"I merely selected the best possible candidate and his support was not a factor in the decision."

You really need some kind of evidence to the contrary if you want a conviction.

jmotivator said:
It's also bizarre given that the entirety of life as a politician is this kind of horse trading for actual money (pork projects, campaign bundling) for support and votes.
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Yes, bribery is completely legal in everything but name.
 
Re: Ben Carson: Why yes, I have been promised a position in the Trump administrati[W:

Deuce said:
"I merely selected the best possible candidate and his support was not a factor in the decision."

You really need some kind of evidence to the contrary if you want a conviction.



Yes, bribery is completely legal in everything but name.
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Yeah, that was my point.
 
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