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Rubio Cancels Two Campaign stops

jmotivator said:
I still can't get over the fact that Kasich is such a d-bag that he once tried to use his clout as a US Congressman to get Blockbuster to take FARGO off their shelves because he didn't like the movie.
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That blows my mind. That's weird.
 
ludin said:
yeah that pretty much ended it right there.
I was pretty turned off by that and probably so where a lot of voters.

I was really not impressed with his previous performance.
avoiding the issues attempting to pick a fight with someone else when he should be just worried about
what is going on in the debate's.
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Yeah, he did well when he just stuck to the Reagan model of pro-American speeches and stayed above the attacks. When he decided to attack he proved he just doesn't have that arrow in his quiver.

The Trump-Penis stuff was bad, but the end of the line for me was when he was so clueless in the debate before last that he didn't even know that Cruz spoke fluent Spanish and decided to challenge Cruz's comments on Rubio's Telemundo appearance by saying Cruz doesn't even speak Spanish, at which point Cruz continued the attack ... in Spanish.
 
cpwill said:
Trump would lose. But other than that, I think that all have at least a 50/50 chance if not slightly better.
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Cruz would also lose - big as well with lots of down ticket losses so you could kiss the Senate goodbye as well.

Rubio might have a chance and Kasich might have a chance - bot both extreme candidates on the far right would spell disaster for the GOP in November.
 
haymarket said:
Cruz would also lose - big as well with lots of down ticket losses so you could kiss the Senate goodbye as well.

Rubio might have a chance and Kasich might have a chance - bot both extreme candidates on the far right would spell disaster for the GOP in November.
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This argument reminds me a lot of the lead up to the 1980 election. Reagan trailed Carter by 30 points at one point in 1980 and everyone assumed that Reagan was GOP cancer.
 
haymarket said:
Cruz would also lose - big as well with lots of down ticket losses so you could kiss the Senate goodbye as well.

Rubio might have a chance and Kasich might have a chance - bot both extreme candidates on the far right would spell disaster for the GOP in November.
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The two far right candidates are Cruz and Rubio. Trump is nuts, but he's a leftist kind of nuts (esp within the Republican party) - the man is running to the left of Kasich.
 
jmotivator said:
I'm not addressing who would match up better to Clinton, only challenging your argument that Cruz is losing to Clinton in the polls. I think all GOP candidates would win against Hilary given how close the polls are and Clinton's abysmal campaign instincts.

For that matter, look at the match ups between Sanders and the GOP field. You want to see a party self destructing, look at the Democrats. There isn't a chance in hell that the DNC lets Sanders win the nomination, and yet he has a lead in the polls.
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Appears the Republicans have the same problem with Trump.
Always stated that the Democrats have their problems as Bernie is doing well.
And yes I am biased, I think HRC is as crooked as a dogs hind leg- She and Bill have skirted the legal edge of weak ice all their life- Many Dems would have preferred another candidate- and are pissed that HRC had all the funding and a near lock on the nomination prior to any primaries. Worked for her not for Bush

On the other hand, we have the traveling road show, aka Republican Presidential Debates and Primaries. Which party is have more internal problems? D or R??
Cruz may well beat HRC, I at this time do not think so.
Trump will drive the Democrat to vote in the election
Same as Cruz, beholden to the evangelical far right.

Independents- how will they vote- when offered Cruz or Trump?
Trump has plus-minus 18 points on Rubio - Cruz is at 12

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Florida Republican Presidential Primary
 
cpwill said:
That blows my mind. That's weird.
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New to me as well. But I will say in his defense, 20 years ago that would have made a world of difference to some of the older folks in our neck of the woods because the accents were slightly parodied, but all too accurate at the same time!

Oh the morning radio shows would grumble again and again about that movie lol.
 
cpwill said:
Trump would lose. But other than that, I think that all have at least a 50/50 chance if not slightly better.
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I'm not so sure about Trump losing. For whatever reason he has shown an ability to rally the little guy like nobody in the race other than Sanders.

I fully expect, if Hilary remains a free woman, that her numbers will collapse as soon as there is an established GOP nominee.

I think at that point Hilary's political career is ended by the DOJ like a non-violent version of the movie NETWORK.
 
jmotivator said:
This argument reminds me a lot of the lead up to the 1980 election. Reagan trailed Carter by 30 points at one point in 1980 and everyone assumed that Reagan was GOP cancer.
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The only people who EVER say that are far right conservatives whistling past the graveyard.

I would remind you that in years past, BOTH PARTIES would get big convention bumps - mainly from the publicity attached with being on network TV for four straight nights - and such polls were notorious for their unreliability. That is no longer the case.
 
jmotivator said:
I'm not so sure about Trump losing. For whatever reason he has shown an ability to rally the little guy like nobody in the race other than Sanders.
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He has motivated a very narrow slice of "little guys".... and turned off everyone else. Trump has worse negatives than any Presidential nominee ever measured, and that's before the Democrats and the media (but, I repeat myself) spend months absolutely nuking him.

I fully expect, if Hilary remains a free woman, that her numbers will collapse as soon as there is an established GOP nominee.

I think at that point Hilary's political career is ended by the DOJ like a non-violent version of the movie NETWORK.
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The investigation is the giant wild-card in the race. The question becomes - if you are the Obama administration, are you willing to hand over to Trump. ?
 
cpwill said:
The two far right candidates are Cruz and Rubio. Trump is nuts, but he's a leftist kind of nuts (esp within the Republican party) - the man is running to the left of Kasich.
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Obviously, you as a conservative have to say that as some sort of face saving tactic. But really - what positions of Trump are left wing progressive? I know of none. Do you?
 
jmotivator said:
Yeah, he did well when he just stuck to the Reagan model of pro-American speeches and stayed above the attacks. When he decided to attack he proved he just doesn't have that arrow in his quiver.

The Trump-Penis stuff was bad, but the end of the line for me was when he was so clueless in the debate before last that he didn't even know that Cruz spoke fluent Spanish and decided to challenge Cruz's comments on Rubio's Telemundo appearance by saying Cruz doesn't even speak Spanish, at which point Cruz continued the attack ... in Spanish.
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the part that stinks is that I was going to vote for him, but after that last debate he just stunk it up and then the comments on the whole anatomy thing were just over the top.
to the point I can't vote for him now. I don't like cruz or trump all that way but if I had my pick it would be trump.

I could vote for kaisch but he is so far behind it isn't funny.

stinks I am going to miss the FL primary by 1 day as I am in MN.
 
jmotivator said:
I'm not so sure about Trump losing. For whatever reason he has shown an ability to rally the little guy like nobody in the race other than Sanders.

I fully expect, if Hilary remains a free woman, that her numbers will collapse as soon as there is an established GOP nominee.

I think at that point Hilary's political career is ended by the DOJ like a non-violent version of the movie NETWORK.
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that is why dem's are actually worried. trump is very much rallying those blue collar guys that Reagan did back in the 80's.
voter turn out for democratic primaries has been horrible while there are huge surges in GOP turn out mostly going for trump.

it is very possible that the guy could end up winning the entire thing.

what scares the GOP establishment is the same that Reagan did. they can't control him into doing what they want.
 
cpwill said:
He has motivated a very narrow slice of "little guys".... and turned off everyone else. Trump has worse negatives than any Presidential nominee ever measured, and that's before the Democrats and the media (but, I repeat myself) spend months absolutely nuking him.
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Trump's immunization to that is his life is an open book. He lacks the shame necessary for such attacks to stick. But I don't think Trump will win the nomination. As I said a while ago, he benefits from crowded stage. I think Florida and Ohio may end yo being Pyrrhic victories for Trump.

The investigation is the giant wild-card in the race. The question becomes - if you are the Obama administration, are you willing to hand over to Trump. ?
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I think at this point, with immunity being offered, that an indictment will happen. I think Obama knows how vulnerable Hilary is in this election and would rather play king maker after an indictment than watch his legacy, as he sees it, suffer the slow death of a Hilary campaign.
 
ludin said:
that is why dem's are actually worried. trump is very much rallying those blue collar guys that Reagan did back in the 80's.
voter turn out for democratic primaries has been horrible while there are huge surges in GOP turn out mostly going for trump.

it is very possible that the guy could end up winning the entire thing.

what scares the GOP establishment is the same that Reagan did. they can't control him into doing what they want.
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Yeah, and that is the single thing I liked about Trump is that he strikes fear in the GOP leadership. But electing a gorilla is only amusing in the moment.
 
haymarket said:
Obviously, you as a conservative have to say that as some sort of face saving tactic. But really - what positions of Trump are left wing progressive? I know of none. Do you?
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1. Economic Mercantilism with hostility to trade
2. Universal Government-provided health insurance coverage.
3. Bush lied us into war
4. Living Constitution to meet the Needs of the Times (inevitably, the need for his :Strong Leadership" :roll: )
5. Support for foreign liberal dictators
6. Supports Affirmative Action
7. Supports Keynesian bailouts of both the banks and manufacturing.
8. Supports dramatically increasing the size, scope, and cost of government.

The idea that government works well to solve all our problems, but only needs "competent management" is at the heart of both the Progressive vision and the Trump campaign.

Trump also has a fondness for increasing taxes, increasing gun regulation, a history of being strongly pro-abortion, straight amnesty, etc.

The man is a liberal Republican to the extent that he is even a Republican in the first place. In his own words, he self-identifies more as a Democrat. In Hillary's words, he is basically a Democrat. They are both correct.


The two strong-conservative candidates in this primary are Cruz (Heritage Rating of 100%) and Rubio (Heritage Rating of 94%). Not Donald "I Like The Mandate" Trump.
 
jmotivator said:
Trump's immunization to that is his life is an open book. He lacks the shame necessary for such attacks to stick. But I don't think Trump will win the nomination. As I said a while ago, he benefits from crowded stage. I think Florida and Ohio may end yo being Pyrrhic victories for Trump.
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That isn't an immunization. It means that he won't be ashamed of the attacks (though, given his borderline personality, he will probably react by erupting), but the public will nonetheless reject him. Donald Trump is an even worse general candidate (already, before he actually has negative campaigns against him) than Hillary (whose negatives are pretty much baked in the cake at this point).

I think at this point, with immunity being offered, that an indictment will happen. I think Obama knows how vulnerable Hilary is in this election and would rather play king maker after an indictment than watch his legacy, as he sees it, suffer the slow death of a Hilary campaign.
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I don't know. If that goes down, I would expect someone other than Sanders to step in, but Sanders does better against Republicans than Hillary, so who knows.
 
cpwill said:
1. Economic Mercantilism with hostility to trade
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That makes our Founding fathers all liberal leftists by that standard since they gave the ability to regulate it to protect American businesses and jobs right in the Constitution.


2. Universal Government-provided health insurance coverage.
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We all know that Obama care started out as ideas from conservative think tanks. Hardly leftist or progressive.
Has Trump endorsed single payer? If not - he has NOT taken the progressive position on this issue.


3. Bush lied us into war
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Since when are historical facts left or right?

4. Living Constitution to meet the Needs of the Times (inevitably, the need for his :Strong Leadership" :roll: )
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I have never read or heard him endorse a living constitution. And when does that suddenly translate to leftist?

5. Support for foreign liberal dictators
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Like no conservative ever supported foreign dictators. C'mon CP - thats painfully weak.

6. Supports Affirmative Action
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Which got its big governmental boost from President Richard Nixon - a Republican.

7. Supports Keynesian bailouts of both the banks and manufacturing.
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As did lots of Republicans - heck, we all remember the Republican Speaker of the House on his knees bawling his eyes out to fight for just that. Hardly leftist.

8. Supports dramatically increasing the size, scope, and cost of government.
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Which Republican President in the last fifty years cut the size, scope and cost of government? I know of none.
GOP Senators and House members vote for the budget year after year after year even though it increases all those things.
 
haymarket said:
That makes our Founding fathers all liberal leftists by that standard since they gave the ability to regulate it to protect American businesses and jobs right in the Constitution.

We all know that Obama care started out as ideas from conservative think tanks. Hardly leftist or progressive.
Has Trump endorsed single payer? If not - he has NOT taken the progressive position on this issue.

Since when are historical facts left or right?

I have never read or heard him endorse a living constitution. And when does that suddenly translate to leftist?

Like no conservative ever supported foreign dictators. C'mon CP - thats painfully weak.

Which got its big governmental boost from President Richard Nixon - a Republican.

As did lots of Republicans - heck, we all remember the Republican Speaker of the House on his knees bawling his eyes out to fight for just that. Hardly leftist.

Which Republican President in the last fifty years cut the size, scope and cost of government? I know of none.
GOP Senators and House members vote for the budget year after year after year even though it increases all those things.
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I've already outlined for you the bit about Bush and WMD - I'm not going to spend another two pages watching you pretend to not understand basic chronology, or the written word. Dishonesty is why I keep you on ignore.

That being said, you are conflating "Republican" and "Conservative". Those items I listed out are all liberal positions.... of Trump's.
 
cpwill said:
I've already outlined for you the bit about Bush and WMD - I'm not going to spend another two pages watching you pretend to not understand basic chronology, or the written word. Dishonesty is why I keep you on ignore.

That being said, you are conflating "Republican" and "Conservative". Those items I listed out are all liberal positions.... of Trump's.
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And many of those ARE NOT LIBERAL POSITIONS in the first place as I demonstrated in my post to you.

It is YOU who are being dishonest in pretending that they are.

Leftist positions? Yup - that explains why right wingers like Sarah Palin and Jeff Sessions are on his bandwagon urging their supporters to vote for him. :doh
 
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jmotivator said:
Yeah, and that is the single thing I liked about Trump is that he strikes fear in the GOP leadership. But electing a gorilla is only amusing in the moment.
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if the trend continues and Rubio drops out I figure some of his people will go to trump.
cruz is there best bet to at least halt trump, but it looks like trump will take FL.

if he takes CA and NY it is pretty much over at that point I do believe.
 
haymarket said:
Has Trump endorsed single payer? If not - he has NOT taken the progressive position on this issue.
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"If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over. ... I believe in universal healthcare

The Canadian plan also helps Canadians live longer and healthier than America. … We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing," -Donald Trump
 
Crovax said:
"If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over. ... I believe in universal healthcare

The Canadian plan also helps Canadians live longer and healthier than America. … We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing," -Donald Trump
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Do you have a date on that first and second quote? We all know he has changed lots and lots of his stands on many issues.

Unless Trump is now supporting single payer for all - he does NOT have the current progressive position on this issue.
 
haymarket said:
And many of those ARE NOT LIBERAL POSITIONS in the first place as I demonstrated in my post to you.
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No, you are trying to be slippery. I'm not playing the game of you pretending that you can't read.

Increasing government intervention in healthcare is the liberal position. Increasing gun control is the liberal position. Increasing taxes is the liberal position. Increasing the size and scope of government is the liberal position. These are also all Trump's positions because he isn't a far right conservative, he's a liberal Republican.

You asked what liberal positions he held - I answered.
 
cpwill said:
No, you are trying to be slippery. I'm not playing the game of you pretending that you can't read.

Increasing government intervention in healthcare is the liberal position. Increasing gun control is the liberal position. Increasing taxes is the liberal position. Increasing the size and scope of government is the liberal position. These are also all Trump's positions because he isn't a far right conservative, he's a liberal Republican.

You asked what liberal positions he held - I answered.
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Yes ,you answered with false information that did not pass the smell test and was quickly refuted.

It is you who are being dishonest and pretending you cannot read or perhaps cannot comprehend what you read.

The left position on health care is single payer for all. If Trump does not have that position - and you presented no evidence that he holds such a position - it is false to claim he holds the left position on that issue.

Perhaps you can explain why progressive leftists such as Senator Jeff Sessions and former Alaska Governor Palin endorsed this leftist?
 
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