Rubio Cancels Two Campaign stops

I have to smile at the train wreck that is the GOP nomination process-

I remember Prius Pubis tinkering with the process after the McCain, and Willard clown car nomination processes- to make this quick and simple so the PUBs didn't put forth a battered nominee the DEMs could run his own party's sound bites against.

Now the PUB elite are PRAYING for a battle to the convention and a dirty fight with a brokered convention... :roll:

The grade school 'debates' do one thing for the PUBs- really limits the time they spend talking about their programs. It is tough to nuance the economy when your chiding each other over make-up and hand size...

Reagan's 11th commandment is a distant memory to the 'disciples' of Reagan... eace

cpwill said:

Well that's not a rephrase, that's an entirely different question.

Yes. Qualified with the point that Trump changes his policy positions the way that I change socks, Trump has aligned, at different points, with Conservatives on several issues, mostly to do with CT policy, and a couple to do with Immigration policy.

But, again, he's mercurial :shrug: his alignments with conservatism tend to be tactical in nature, and flighty.

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You seemed to be appealing to a no true scotsman fallacy to commit to the idea that Trump is not conservative enough because he doesn't want to dismantle the federal government as much as, say, Cruz does.

Now you seem to be illuminating a different critique altogether, claiming that he is inconsistent.

I could certainly claim that Cruz' self reported "religious family man" persona is in conflict with his behavior.

Absentglare said:

You seemed to be appealing to a no true scotsman fallacy to commit to the idea that Trump is not conservative enough because he doesn't want to dismantle the federal government as much as, say, Cruz does.

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...no. Trump wants to dramatically increase the size and scope of government. Cruz wants to reduce it. Literally these are opposite directions.

Nor am I engaging in a No True Scottsman Fallacy. Trump isn't not a conservative because he just isn't conservative enough, he isn't a conservative because he isn't a conservative.

Now you seem to be illuminating a different critique altogether, claiming that he is inconsistent.

I could certainly claim that Cruz' self reported "religious family man" persona is in conflict with his behavior.

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:shrug: you could.

cpwill said:

...no. Trump wants to dramatically increase the size and scope of government. Cruz wants to reduce it. Literally these are opposite directions.

Nor am I engaging in a No True Scottsman Fallacy. Trump isn't not a conservative because he just isn't conservative enough, he isn't a conservative because he isn't a conservative.



:shrug: you could.

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If you consider conservatism as resistance to change, you can argue that Trump is more conservative than Cruz.

Absentglare said:

If you consider conservatism as resistance to change, you can argue that Trump is more conservative than Cruz.

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Sure. And if we redefine Modern American leftism to mean self-aggrandizement, then Trump is the most liberal person in the race.

sangha said:

Compared to right wing.

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Yes - I get your point. However a centerist position is left of the right wing also and that is NOT a leftist position on the normal political continuum. .

cpwill said:

Sure. And if we redefine Modern American leftism to mean self-aggrandizement, then Trump is the most liberal person in the race.

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My characterization was not a redefinition of conservatism...

haymarket said:

Yes - I get your point. However a centerist position is left of the right wing also and that is NOT a leftist position on the normal political continuum. .

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And a right wing position is to the left of the far right.

We could do this all day, but the fact is the right is (generally and theoretically) opposed to increasing govt involvement in the economy, but Trump really has no objection to that. And wanting the govt to ensure that everyone has health care is not a centrist position. It is a distinctly liberal position

sangha said:

And a right wing position is to the left of the far right.

We could do this all day, but the fact is the right is (generally and theoretically) opposed to increasing govt involvement in the economy, but Trump really has no objection to that. And wanting the govt to ensure that everyone has health care is not a centrist position. It is a distinctly liberal position

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We will respectfully agree to disagree.

Zyphlin said:

Rubio will likely stay in until Florida. Furthermore, Rubio may be the "sacrificial lamb".

Talking with a friend who's had ties within various political circles and has a good instinct for strategy, the plan could very well be that the party is actually hoping to look at Kasich if there is a brokered convention. As such, they need/want Kasich to remain above the fray and to not go after Trump, thus making him more palatable to Trump supporters since he wouldn't have been going after "their guy".

However, the party needs someone to attack Trump. To keep his attention focused on them. To basically point out all the BS and in a way that will get media attention. It likely won't propel that guy to win, and it will mean that said candidate can't be the pick in a brokered convention, but it's needed for it to get to a brokered convention. It's looking like Marco Rubio will end up being that sacrificial lamb.

Whether he then goes back to his senate seat, or is later tapped by Kasich as the potential VP, would remain to be seen.

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Wow you hit the nail on the head!

ludin said:

ummm no.

so I guess that means you have never changed your mind on a position that you once had. be careful how you
answer or you might be using your own argument against yourself.

I know I have changed positions on things over the course of the years.
it is expected as people grow and mature and become an adult.

that doesn't make on stupid. I just hope that you have never changed your mind on anything.

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That's what I said as children and young adults we are usually pretty stupid and then we grow older think things through and make our choices. However we aren't talking about a child growing into an adult we are talking about a 53 year old man positions and his positions at 69 years old.

Crovax said:

That's what I said as children and young adults we are usually pretty stupid and then we grow older think things through and make our choices. However we aren't talking about a child growing into an adult we are talking about a 53 year old man positions and his positions at 69 years old.

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yep so am I. so please tell me you have never changed your opinion about anything. if so then you have just blown your argument up.

disneydude said:

On a sidenote. We all knew that as soon as Rubio started talking about Donald Trump's penis....it was all over for Marco.

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All 75 statements Trump has made that have been evaluated by Politico are classified as not truthful. Now Trump claims to have a big schlong. You figure it out. LOL.

notquiteright said:

I have to smile at the train wreck that is the GOP nomination process-

I remember Prius Pubis tinkering with the process after the McCain, and Willard clown car nomination processes- to make this quick and simple so the PUBs didn't put forth a battered nominee the DEMs could run his own party's sound bites against.

Now the PUB elite are PRAYING for a battle to the convention and a dirty fight with a brokered convention... :roll:

The grade school 'debates' do one thing for the PUBs- really limits the time they spend talking about their programs. It is tough to nuance the economy when your chiding each other over make-up and hand size...

Reagan's 11th commandment is a distant memory to the 'disciples' of Reagan... eace

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That's one thing I don't understand about Republicans wanting a quick nomination process. Hillary v Obama was a knock down drag out bare knuckle brawl and it made Obama a stronger candidate.

Republicans all but appointed Romney and he got smoked.

Republicans changed the rules so that the primary process is shortened and that's going to help Trump, their nemesis. All this rules tinkering is constantly backfiring on the GOP. If the GOP wants to just appoint someone then they should just declare that that's what they're going to do and make it happen. Or do what the Dems are doing and take it to the extreme: make half their delegates superdelegates.

Next time Marco, don't listen to anyone else, be yourself (assuming you actually have a personality and are not just an android developed by the Republican establishment).

I doubt he would have won no matter what, but that thing with Chris Christie REALLY made him look bad. I found it hard to take him seriously after that.

But he was doing better in a few debates after that but then he decided to take the low road (and that small hands nonsense) with Trump. He either should have done that at the very beginning or rose above it for the whole campaign.
He is clearly far more intelligent and informed then Trump is (NOT that I agree with his policies)...but he let Trump get under his skin.


It's pretty obvious that the Republican Party as a whole was totally unprepared for Trump and his low ball nonsense and the desperation the masses have for change (same reason Clinton is fighting for her life with Sanders).

I assume they won't make that mistake again in 2020...but the damage Trump could do to them between now and then could take a while to mend as he is such a ding dong/nut bar.

reinoe said:

Or do what the Dems are doing and take it to the extreme: make half their delegates superdelegates.

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Don't give them any ideas...they might actually do that for the next time around. Mess it up even worse then it is already.