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Donald Trump has a 7-point healthcare plan

But hey, it's part of the Trump plan, and everyone likes the idea. So I guess it's all good.

One day I'd like to see someone actually put out a plan that lowers the cost of healthcare. Nobody has, including Trump. His plan is nothing different than a combination of what McCain offered, Romney offered, and what those nasty establishment Republicans in DC have been trying to do for the last 10 years.

competition by nature reduces costs.

the fact is there is little to 0 competition in the healthcare space.
it has been that way for a while. basically each state has allowed a giant monopoly
on healthcare and insurance.

a lot of the things in trumps plan opens those up.

it shouldn't matter where I get my insurance from. if it says that I have a co-pay of this and have to pay y% then that is what I do.

just like plan A in ND shouldn't cost 400 less than the same plan A in NY but it does.

hospitals alone will discount 80-90% of the cost if you pay cash.
 
Well, at least the Donald is doing some level specificity.



Not being a healthcare wonk, I'd like to review why this exists in the first place before I'd agree that this makes sense.



Let's keep it real, this does make sense.



That's meaningless words unless you makes a law that forces states to accept the extra Medicare coverage that the AMA provides. Otherwise, this will all get vetoed in Red states (Like your precious Texas) that refuse to allow people to gain back what they've put into the system because... Well, because conservative politicians don't have souls is the nearest I can tell.



Honestly, I don't see how this helps anyone.



The AMA partially does this already, but if this could be made stronger, I'd be all for it.



So I agree with the first part, but I don't think it's Constitutional. As to the later part, the ACA already does that for private insurance, and Medicaid is already the most efficient healthcare provider around, with ~3% operating costs, 97% going to direct medical costs.

If they want to eliminate waste and abuse, they could start with repealing the medicare/medicaid's ability to group negotiate down prices with Big Pharma. Talk about a savings.



I agree, but that's just words. There's no actual specific policy here, but to be fair it's a primary.



In any case, I completely fail to see how this gets the remaining 27 million Americans into a healthcare insurance program. This falls pretty short of addressing some of the most key issues.

He's not going to propose Single payer if that's what your after.

Only 1 candidate is proposing that and he's too much of a ideologue to care whether or not its even feasible.
 
The biggest problem with the elimination of state lines is that it generates an incentive for state's to create a race to the bottom in terms of their healthcare insurance regulations. Essentially, the State which allows insurance companies to sell the most profitable types of insurance plans or the least regulated type of insurance plans will attract the most insurance companies.

Let the people decide for themselves. If they buy a bad plan and get screwed it's there own fault. Gov needs to quit handholding.
 
If the same plan in ND cost 100 a month and It costs 500 in NY why can't I go spend 100 in ND? what does it matter. you are wrong..

Because the people of New York have different underwriting than the people of North Dakota. The people of North Dakota may be sicker/healthier than the people of New York. Insurance companies don't charge different rates in different areas for ****s n' giggles. Furthermore New York has different guidelines and requirements than North Dakota. Purchasing insurance across state lines is literally undermining the guidelines determined by the states. The whole "purchasing insurance across state lines" is the most patently absurd notion I've heard across all platforms. By saying I'm wrong you're just highlighting your own ignorance.
 
There's no real specifics here. Throwing in buzz phrases like "waste, fraud, and abuse" just means "I don't know, but it makes people believe we can run more efficiently and effectively so let's use it." And there's no inclusion about what to do about pre-existing conditions. On that last one, recall that currently over 60 million (perhaps as high as 120 million) Americans fall under that category and it's rising, with at least 58% of people knowing someone that falls under that category.
 
Let the people decide for themselves. If they buy a bad plan and get screwed it's there own fault. Gov needs to quit handholding.

You are talking about an extremely complex contract and service being provided. And if the insurance companies or other private industries screw over the individuals that are incapable of making an informed decision about such a complex issue, then it is often the burden of the government to make up for that mistake. And that is why, if you actually care about the general welfare of the population of the debt issue, the government should be involved from the beginning to set minimum standards.
 
He's not going to propose Single payer if that's what your after.

Only 1 candidate is proposing that and he's too much of a ideologue to care whether or not its even feasible.

No, no, I'm not confused. There's only one sane candidate running for the presidency. Everyone else is a suck-up to power because they're power-hungry assholes who don't care how many poor and midde-class families they have to wreck in their grab for power.
 
Because the people of New York have different underwriting than the people of North Dakota. The people of North Dakota may be sicker/healthier than the people of New York. Insurance companies don't charge different rates in different areas for ****s n' giggles. Furthermore New York has different guidelines and requirements than North Dakota. Purchasing insurance across state lines is literally undermining the guidelines determined by the states. The whole "purchasing insurance across state lines" is the most patently absurd notion I've heard across all platforms. By saying I'm wrong you're just highlighting your own ignorance.

As I noted earlier, elimination of state lines also encourages a "rush to the bottom" mentality because the states with the fewest regulations and that allow for the greatest profit will attract the most insurance companies.
 
We do not need this Jay Gatsby wannabe as President.
 
Donald Trump has a 7-point healthcare plan | McClatchy DC
Damn you donald, I LIKE that plan, I hate you though, still stayin home.
Can't get behind it as a whole.
- Repeal Obamacare (Should be ACA but who is picky?): This eludes to there being nothing of value in the act which is not true. Preexisting conditions would come back into play just to name one. If he is saying just the mandates/tax penalty then that is fine.
- Tax Returns: Not a bad idea except*
- Review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure...blah blah. This is motherhood and apple pie with no roadmap.
- HSAs are a problem because of*
- Require Price Transparency from the Healthcare Providers, Including Clinics and Hospitals. Scare Tactic. By law, you do not pay for something you do not know you are paying for. I have never seen a bill for healthcare that wasn't itemized. It is just WAY TO EXPENSIVE which goes back to*
- Block grant Medicaid to the states. Hells no. Healthcare is a federal issue not a state by state only issue. This would not eliminate fraud it would just make more burden for an overburdened system that wouldn't be an issue if*
- Remove barriers to entry into free market - depends on what he means. I don't really want to die because some generic drug company was able to bypass the FDA. What barriers are we talking about specifically and again, where is the roadmap?

* America needs to get over this idea that any individual or business has the right to profit off of the lives of others. Stricter caps on how much a company could charge for a drug, requirements to focus on cures not just bandaid medications, and opening up a healthcare system similar to Canada or the UK without the skyrocketing taxes is something needed not just wanted.
 
No, no, I'm not confused. There's only one sane candidate running for the presidency. Everyone else is a suck-up to power because they're power-hungry assholes who don't care how many poor and midde-class families they have to wreck in their grab for power.

Lol !

What sane candidate would that be ?? It's not Sanders, that's for sure.

No sane candidate pushes for a initaive that had it been implemented would have crushed the economy of their home state.

Middle class families don't stay Middle class for long when Socialist initiatives like Single payer destroy economies on a local and National scale.
 
Selling health insurance across state lines suddenly removes the protected territory health insurance sales people now enjoy.
 
I'd like to see a law passed that made employer provided health insurance illegal. Sounds kind of weird at first, but hear me out... We would still allow employers to pay a person's premiums as a tax deductible expense, but the policy stays with the employee and doesn't disappear when they change jobs. Provides complete portability between jobs, minimizes the impact of being denied coverage for pre-existing conditions just because you changed jobs and gives the individual control over what they want to pay for.

I like every point made in the Donald's plan and also agree with this one. The employee wouldn't get the tax break if his employer paid X$$ for his insurance premiums--the employer would--but it would also not count as income for the employee. It could be a tremendous benefit employers could offer those in their employment. Also individuals should be able to form coops or medical groups that would take place of large employer pools that allow insurance companies to spread the risk and offer lower rates.
 
Can't get behind it as a whole.
- Repeal Obamacare (Should be ACA but who is picky?): This eludes to there being nothing of value in the act which is not true. Preexisting conditions would come back into play just to name one. If he is saying just the mandates/tax penalty then that is fine.
- Tax Returns: Not a bad idea except*
- Review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure...blah blah. This is motherhood and apple pie with no roadmap.
- HSAs are a problem because of*
- Require Price Transparency from the Healthcare Providers, Including Clinics and Hospitals. Scare Tactic. By law, you do not pay for something you do not know you are paying for. I have never seen a bill for healthcare that wasn't itemized. It is just WAY TO EXPENSIVE which goes back to*
- Block grant Medicaid to the states. Hells no. Healthcare is a federal issue not a state by state only issue. This would not eliminate fraud it would just make more burden for an overburdened system that wouldn't be an issue if*
- Remove barriers to entry into free market - depends on what he means. I don't really want to die because some generic drug company was able to bypass the FDA. What barriers are we talking about specifically and again, where is the roadmap?

* America needs to get over this idea that any individual or business has the right to profit off of the lives of others. Stricter caps on how much a company could charge for a drug, requirements to focus on cures not just bandaid medications, and opening up a healthcare system similar to Canada or the UK without the skyrocketing taxes is something needed not just wanted.

Try calling a hospital and asking how much a CT scan is...

You may be able to get a quote at some places but most can't or won't provide such information.
 
Selling health insurance across state lines suddenly removes the protected territory health insurance sales people now enjoy.

I'm pretty sure that would be offset by a fresh and productive competitiveness put back into the system.
 
Selling health insurance across state lines suddenly removes the protected territory health insurance sales people now enjoy.

Selling health insurance across state lines suddenly removes the minimum standards of coverage guidelines that American citizens now enjoy.
 
As I noted earlier, elimination of state lines also encourages a "rush to the bottom" mentality because the states with the fewest regulations and that allow for the greatest profit will attract the most insurance companies.

I agree, it's ludin who does not.
 
Try calling a hospital and asking how much a CT scan is...

You may be able to get a quote at some places but most can't or won't provide such information.

So the Donald's plan to revise the law to REQUIRE hospitals and other medical provider to be entirely transparent in their fees and costs is really necessary, yes?

You ought to really sit down and study how the system works now. There is one price--an exhorbitant one--that is shown as the actual price and that can be charged to anybody willing to pay it. Then there are myriad other charges for various insurance companies, VA, Medicaid, and Medicare. Then there is another charge for the individual who is paying out of pocket. But there is zero chance that anybody looking at a hospital bill can know what the hospital or doctor's clinic actually got paid.
 
Donald Trump has a 7-point healthcare plan | McClatchy DC

Damn you donald, I LIKE that plan, I hate you though, still stayin home.

Three weeks ago he was talking about how much he liked the mandate. The fact that, after the last debate, someone on his staff realized that they should google "conservative ideas about healthcare policy" doesn't give me even the slightest confidence that he means it or would stick to it.
 
Try calling a hospital and asking how much a CT scan is...

You may be able to get a quote at some places but most can't or won't provide such information.

And it will be the same once Trump is president because, once more, no roadmap...just motherhood and apple pie speaking points.
 
Can't get behind it as a whole.
- Repeal Obamacare (Should be ACA but who is picky?): This eludes to there being nothing of value in the act which is not true. Preexisting conditions would come back into play just to name one. If he is saying just the mandates/tax penalty then that is fine.
- Tax Returns: Not a bad idea except*
- Review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure...blah blah. This is motherhood and apple pie with no roadmap.
- HSAs are a problem because of*
- Require Price Transparency from the Healthcare Providers, Including Clinics and Hospitals. Scare Tactic. By law, you do not pay for something you do not know you are paying for. I have never seen a bill for healthcare that wasn't itemized. It is just WAY TO EXPENSIVE which goes back to*
- Block grant Medicaid to the states. Hells no. Healthcare is a federal issue not a state by state only issue. This would not eliminate fraud it would just make more burden for an overburdened system that wouldn't be an issue if*
- Remove barriers to entry into free market - depends on what he means. I don't really want to die because some generic drug company was able to bypass the FDA. What barriers are we talking about specifically and again, where is the roadmap?

* America needs to get over this idea that any individual or business has the right to profit off of the lives of others. Stricter caps on how much a company could charge for a drug, requirements to focus on cures not just bandaid medications, and opening up a healthcare system similar to Canada or the UK without the skyrocketing taxes is something needed not just wanted.

Yeah, single payer failure, just what I do not want. You want that, move to canada.
 
Three weeks ago he was talking about how much he liked the mandate. The fact that, after the last debate, someone on his staff realized that they should google "conservative ideas about healthcare policy" doesn't give me even the slightest confidence that he means it or would stick to it.

I AGREE with you, Trumps a chump, but I like those ideas.. so there you go.
 
Yeah, single payer failure, just what I do not want. You want that, move to canada.
Or I could work towards implementing it in the U.S instead of keeping our Big Pharma Empire pricing.
Just because someone doesn't like one thing about the country don't assume they hate their country as a whole. Its fallible logic.
 
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