Trump: As president, I would prosecute Clinton

cpwill said:

No, it's an opening bid, in which Republicans went first, and proved that they were willing to take on the most politically dangerous portion - entitlement reform. Democrats face little if any backlash from proposing higher taxes (though they wouldn't receive the revenues they are hoping for).



Republicans have already proven that they are serious by grabbing the third rail. Democrats proved they weren't by demagoging them on it. Republicans aren't going to negotiate against themselves.

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Of course Republicans are willing to take on entitlement reform, but without a token sacrifice offering that might make their reelection a challenge (offer to raise taxes), it wasn't a serious proposal. There was NO GIVE on the part of the Cons, so it was DOA from the onset, and you know it was. Don't be so disingenuous.

Fearandloathing said:

If a carnival barker can be accredited with "taking on the press"

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Fact is... he has... and the press has tried to take him out, but... have failed. Added to that... he alone has changed the illegal immigration debate.

What he has done is be a real estate developer who forces people out of their homes so he can build casinos. That's it.

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No... that's not it.
He's gone into distressed areas and been the impetus to improve them immensely.

He also, after ages of NYC incapable of repairing the Central Park ice rink... which was at the time claimed to be " the skating rink that no one could fix"... he did it in record time.

He has no background in dealing on the international stage, none in setting public budgets, and grandiose ideas that can't ever happen. He's selling you a crack pipe and all of America's reactionaries are drooling at the hope of being able to punish some Democrats and show those ****ing Arabs a thing or two...

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He's dealt internationally.
He said he wanted to close borders to Muslims until we figure out who's here. That's common sense really, considering the problem today is Muslim terrorism... that has occurred on US soil.

Problem is, it's not a high school football game...there will be consequences. And if any of his supporters ever paused to think about those consequences they wouldn't be supporters

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Oh... (in bold) that's a blanket statement which... is wrong.
Elections have consequences... the last 7-years have been a brutal illustration of that.

I'll take Trump or Cruz... the remainder... punt... despite their McCain/Romney "credentials".

I chuckle thinking back to Obama's claim to having managed something... his answer... this campaign.
Trump has experience, he's run a pretty large empire, and he's dealt with politicians around the world.

clownboy said:

Well, first off you know that isn't his plan.

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Eric Trump: My Dads' Plan Includes Amnesty
Who Knew? Trump's Favors Amnesty for Undocumented Immigrants
Donald Trump Publicly States That Illegal Immigrants Are Going To Get To Return After Touchback With Legal Status

So yeah, they're coming back. Trump has been in favor of Amnesty for some time, and hasn't changed his views on it, just his rhetoric.

Is that going to help businesses, then? Nope. Trump is going to make sure that they still get screwed with his "Requirement to Hire Americans First" instead of hiring the people best suited, or who don't demand the most in costs.

You are so threatened by the loss to your favorite congress critters and being proven wrong in all your predictions that you have t make stuff up.

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:shrug: I'm not threatened at all. Absent dramatic collapses that just take everyone down, I'm fairly immune.

:lamo that's where we are now, BEFORE Trump. Nice try though.

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Yeah. And Trump wants to accelerate that process.

The Fiscal Times: Trumpenomics Would Blow a Huge Hole in the Federal Budget


This kind of **** is what is going to cause us to have to dramatically cut things like Social Security and Medicare for current rather than just future benefits. It's the kind of crap we are trying to avoid.

upsideguy said:

Of course Republicans are willing to take on entitlement reform, but without a token sacrifice offering that might make their reelection a challenge (offer to raise taxes), it wasn't a serious proposal.

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:lol: Republicans taking on entitlement reform was a hugely risky move, that Democrats absolutely used to try to threaten their reelections. They didn't call it the Third Rail of politics for no particular reason - it was the kiss of death.

There was NO GIVE on the part of the Cons, so it was DOA from the onset, and you know it was. Don't be so disingenuous.

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Their budget? Sure. The idea of having a deal? No. That was the point. Republicans took on all the risk, went first, and instead of manning up and going second, Democrats decided to demagogue the issue.

cpwill said:

No, it's an opening bid, in which Republicans went first, and proved that they were willing to take on the most politically dangerous portion - entitlement reform. Democrats face little if any backlash from proposing higher taxes (though they wouldn't receive the revenues they are hoping for).



Republicans have already proven that they are serious by grabbing the third rail. Democrats proved they weren't by demagoging them on it. Republicans aren't going to negotiate against themselves.

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Except that "reforming" entitlements would do nothing to lower our deficits or pay off our debt. You also forget that Republicans falsely claimed that Obamacare was "stealing" $500 billion from Medicare. The opposite of "grabbing the 3rd rail".

zimmer said:

Fact is... he has... and the press has tried to take him out, but... have failed. Added to that... he alone has changed the illegal immigration debate.


No... that's not it.
He's gone into distressed areas and been the impetus to improve them immensely.

He also, after ages of NYC incapable of repairing the Central Park ice rink... which was at the time claimed to be " the skating rink that no one could fix"... he did it in record time.


He's dealt internationally.
He said he wanted to close borders to Muslims until we figure out who's here. That's common sense really, considering the problem today is Muslim terrorism... that has occurred on US soil.


Oh... (in bold) that's a blanket statement which... is wrong.
Elections have consequences... the last 7-years have been a brutal illustration of that.

I'll take Trump or Cruz... the remainder... punt... despite their McCain/Romney "credentials".

I chuckle thinking back to Obama's claim to having managed something... his answer... this campaign.
Trump has experience, he's run a pretty large empire, and he's dealt with politicians around the world.

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Enjoy the cool aid


If you liked Obama, you will LOVE Trump. Can there be a more divisive candidate? I suspect we'll be seeing the run up to the second civil wart with this turd

zimmer said:

Well... he has done things, and he has illustrated how to take on the PC CCCP Press.

As for what you claim he won't do... let's see. We know none of the candidates in the race with the exception of Cruz would get any of it done.

We also know people want this stuff done... and with McCain and Romney... they illustrated how not to get things done.

Time will tell if you're right... or if he'll be as effective as the BC Government and their Fast Cats.

I have my concerns, but they're far smaller than with anyone except Cruz.

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Holy ****!

I just realized that you are backing a guy for president because he fooled the media.

If those are your credentials for a president, the whole ****ing country is in trouble. I wish I could say watching this self destruction of a once great country will be fun.....but it's too sad.

Should Trump somehow win the presidency, I have a feeling the nation will NOT give Republicans a majority in congress.

Fearandloathing said:

What "invention?"


For **** sakes that's a paraphrasing of every damn ting he's said! It's as close to word for word you can get.....and it's "inventing"?

If that's an indication of the sharpness of Trump supporters the US is in serious ****ing trouble

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Nope. It's a set of distortions of things he nearly said. Too transparent to be in the least clever.

(See, it is possible to post a comment without needing to use even one asterisk. Try it - it's good to stretch one's abilities now and then.)

Sweden said:

Nope. It's a set of distortions of things he nearly said. Too transparent to be in the least clever.

(See, it is possible to post a comment without needing to use even one asterisk. Try it - it's good to stretch one's abilities now and then.)

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Yeah, it is. But why should I with a poster who gets as arrogantly snide as that post?

Have a good day sir. We are done.

zimmer said:

Spoken as a true Socialist.

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I speak the truth, like it or not.

Fearandloathing said:

Enjoy the cool aid


If you liked Obama, you will LOVE Trump. Can there be a more divisive candidate? I suspect we'll be seeing the run up to the second civil wart with this turd

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ROTFLOL... You did notice my avatar? LOL...

You said Trump was a do-nothing, know nothing... I proved otherwise.

Just recently Vicente Fox F-bombed Trumps Wall... because he knows it's likely, as are border control and deportations... and he was pissed about the amount of Hispanic support he got in NV... what was that about the R's needing more Hispanic support???

The WaPo is concerned about the R's candidate. Why? If he's such an easy target, and won't carry through on what he's stated?

I understand why people don't like Trump... he's brash, sometimes over the top... but he's a doer.

My preferences have been Cruz, Trump, Santorum... I did like Fiorini... the remainder... Flush.

I'm not backing a guy because he fooled the media. He's used the media to trumpet his message, and he's flipped their PC BS the bird... it's not why I'm backing him either, but it does illustrate he's not some castrated RINO. And... he's appealing not only to R's but I's and D's!!!

What has the Republican Congress done since the last 2 midterms? How about nothing... and worse than nothing. The party needs a purge from the likes of Boehner, Ryan and McConnell.. these tools need be Cantorized.

When Palin is Sec. at the Do Energy... I'll howl.

zimmer said:

ROTFLOL... You did notice my avatar? LOL...

You said Trump was a do-nothing, know nothing... I proved otherwise.

Just recently Vicente Fox F-bombed Trumps Wall... because he knows it's likely, as are border control and deportations... and he was pissed about the amount of Hispanic support he got in NV... what was that about the R's needing more Hispanic support???

The WaPo is concerned about the R's candidate. Why? If he's such an easy target, and won't carry through on what he's stated?

I understand why people don't like Trump... he's brash, sometimes over the top... but he's a doer.

My preferences have been Cruz, Trump, Santorum... I did like Fiorini... the remainder... Flush.

I'm not backing a guy because he fooled the media. He's used the media to trumpet his message, and he's flipped their PC BS the bird... it's not why I'm backing him either, but it does illustrate he's not some castrated RINO. And... he's appealing not only to R's but I's and D's!!!

What has the Republican Congress done since the last 2 midterms? How about nothing... and worse than nothing. The party needs a purge from the likes of Boehner, Ryan and McConnell.. these tools need be Cantorized.

When Palin is Sec. at the Do Energy... I'll howl.

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What?

I really didn't get far into that rant as I stopped believing you at the first sentence. Who the **** cares what is your avatar? It isn't even understandable.

You have a nice day now. Please post with someone else now, OK?

Fearandloathing said:

What?

I really didn't get far into that rant as I stopped believing you at the first sentence. Who the **** cares what is your avatar? It isn't even understandable.

You have a nice day now. Please post with someone else now, OK?

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Thin skin much?
Irritated you were proven wrong about claiming Trump is a know-nothing, do-nothing?

even junior bush seems nicer to me .imagine the rest

cpwill said:

Er, no, no you did not.

Let's try again.

Explain slowly. Simple words, as you would to a child. If Trump changes positions based on what is good for him at the moment, what makes you think that he will not change his current positions as soon as it becomes good for him to do so?

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Of course he will do just that. The man is the definition of opportunism and expediency. His own standard is what is good for him at that moment in that situation.

If Trump somehow manages to get to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, I would fully expect many of the same people who seem to worship him now to be working for his ouster within a few short months when he betrays their expectations in the rush to play "lets make a deal".

Medusa said:

even junior bush seems nicer to me .imagine the rest

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GWB was never known for not being nice. In fact he was that president everyone wanted to have a beer with. The younger Bush was a life of the party sort.

haymarket said:

Of course he will do just that. The man is the definition of opportunism and expediency. His own standard is what is good for him at that moment in that situation.

If Trump somehow manages to get to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, I would fully expect many of the same people who seem to worship him now to be working for his ouster within a few short months when he betrays their expectations in the rush to play "lets make a deal".

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I think you are giving them way too much credit for consistency, attention, and literacy.

zimmer said:

They certainly can send signals, and if one is to send signals... now is the time. Plus... this is a brilliant political move, as masses of people have had it way beyond their eyeballs with The Clinton Crime Family.

Obama, Sanders, Klinton, Kerry, etc... don't have to send signals... their nominees and placements... say at the IRS or DoJ know what to do. They don't need signals as they're of the same radikal mindset as Obama.

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He's posturing, playing to the crowd. His trash TV experience is guiding him every step. He's playing to the lowest common denominator because he knows his audience.
Talk about uninformed voters...
If you're a conservative, how come you're not a advocating for a viable presidential candidate instead of that loudmouthed huckster? There's better Republican candidates, two at least.

tres borrachos said:

I didn't know he was even a lawyer. Maybe he's confusing the job of Presidency with one of his gigs on television.

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Everyone knows the DOJ will likely not prosecute Hillary because the AG answers to Obama. Trump is just positioning himself on the opposite side.

jmotivator said:

Everyone knows the DOJ will likely not prosecute Hillary because the AG answers to Obama. Trump is just positioning himself on the opposite side.

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Are you saying the federal Department of Justice in your country is under the thumb of the President?
How do you know you don't live in a dictatorship?

woodsman said:

Yes, It’s called the Department of Justice (DOJ)

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They answer to the President? Ask him who they should and shouldn't prosecute, or make decisions based on his say? What a bizarre concept.

Grand Mal said:

Are you saying the federal Department of Justice in your country is under the thumb of the President?
How do you know you don't live in a dictatorship?

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The AG answers to the president, yes, and the AG runs the DOJ. This is why the US also has special prosecutors who are independent of the DOJ.

AGs, like all lawyers, are theoretically answerable to various boards of bar overseers. AGs, like all prosecutors, theoretically have a duty to "pursue justice".



It would be unethical to bring a groundless prosecution or decline to bring a meritorious prosecution for political reasons. The probability of any discipline resulting is pretty much zero, however. Unfortunate.

cpwill said:

:lol: Republicans taking on entitlement reform was a hugely risky move, that Democrats absolutely used to try to threaten their reelections. They didn't call it the Third Rail of politics for no particular reason - it was the kiss of death.



Their budget? Sure. The idea of having a deal? No. That was the point. Republicans took on all the risk, went first, and instead of manning up and going second, Democrats decided to demagogue the issue.

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Seriously? You are one the more informed posters on this board. I called you disingenuous, because you know better than to believe what you are saying is true. The Republicans have not put forth a serious budget proposal.

Advocating the reform of Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security is not the "third rail of american politics" to congressman firmly entrenched in Republican districts. The sponsors and most of that voted for this bill were are from firmly entrenched districts. They are not going to lose to a Democrat, but generally have a threat from the right when they aren't "right" enough. Taking on Social Security is not going to get them run out office; but not taking on Social Security might.

It was not a serious bill, it advocated the repeal of the Affordable Care Act and how unspecified reductions of social programs. The bill, if enacted, would have doubled the number on uninsured. The wack-a-doos from the right risked nothing more than me thinking they were wack-a-doos. Don't try to sell this as serious proposal. It was DOA from the onset; and EVERY informed person with an IQ north of 100 knows it. There was no boldness what-so-ever in this proposal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/18/u...medicare-and-repeals-the-health-law.html?_r=0

Again, Congress, as as body, on the left and the right, are not sufficiently concerned about the debt and the deficit to do what it takes, which would be for the Republicans to offer up tax increases and the Dems to offer up reform of the Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

As a matter of analogy, next time you have a fight with your wife, let you "serious" proposal be that she admit its all her fault. See how seriously she takes that...
and stop trying to defend the indefensible, you are better than that...