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New York moves to stop gay conversion therapy for youths

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New York moves to stop gay conversion therapy for youths - Yahoo News

[h=1]New York moves to stop gay conversion therapy for youths[/h]NEW YORK (AP) — New York is taking steps to stop therapists from trying to change young people's sexual orientation, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Saturday, joining a number of states that have acted against what's known as gay conversion therapy.The Democratic governor's move, announced Saturday, comes as gay rights advocates have campaigned state by state with mixed results to try to ban a practice that major mental health organizations have repudiated.Using executive power in a state where legislative bids to ban the therapy have stalled, Cuomo announced planned regulations that would bar insurance coverage for the therapy for minors and prohibit mental health facilities under state Office of Mental Health jurisdiction from offering it to minors."Conversion therapy is a hateful and fundamentally flawed practice" that punishes people "for simply being who they are," Cuomo said in a statement.


The American Psychological Association and other mental health groups say conversion therapy, sometimes called reparative therapy, wrongly treats being gay as a mental illness and may make young people feel ashamed, anxious and depressed. Democratic President Barack Obama's administration called last year for an end to the practice. Chad Griffin, president of the gay rights group Human Rights Campaign, commended Cuomo's action. "No young person should be coerced or subjected to this dangerous so-called therapy," Griffin said in a statement. Cuomo was presented with the group's National Equality Award on Saturday night and told an audience his action "rejected fundamentally the absurd notion that being gay is a psychiatric disorder."
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Good move New York. Youths definitely should not be subject to this, I hope the APA and others push to move legislation to make the bannings national.
 
Crovax said:
And when will New York ban AA which has a worse success rate than conversation therapy.
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if you have a bone to pick with AA you should start your own thread
 
Crovax said:
And when will New York ban AA which has a worse success rate than conversation therapy.
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You think conversion therapy has ANY successes? Have you seen the people who run these programs? They are about as straight as Lombard Street.
 
Crovax said:
And when will New York ban AA which has a worse success rate than conversation therapy.
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Not the topic but a couple quick points. AA isn't deemed abusive by the APA, AA is voluntary for adults or mandatory for criminals. Not even the same solar system.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
if you have a bone to pick with AA you should start your own thread
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I don't have a bone to pick with AA just pointing out how ineffective all forms of rehab are if the participants don't really want to change. And forcing them into programs does not good, but it's funny how only conversation therapy is targeted for banning.
 
Crovax said:
I don't have a bone to pick with AA just pointing out how ineffective all forms of rehab are if the participants don't really want to change. And forcing them into programs does not good, but it's funny how only conversation therapy is targeted for banning.
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Maybe because it often harms those that receive it whereas AA does not.
 
Crovax said:
I don't have a bone to pick with AA just pointing out how ineffective all forms of rehab are if the participants don't really want to change. And forcing them into programs does not good, but it's funny how only conversation therapy is targeted for banning.
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Really? so whats the list of other rehabs that are deem abusive by the APA that aren't target for banning?
 
First, I don't believe in or condone "conversion" therapy for what is a natural state, and have a major problem with it being performed.

Second, I have a major problem with the government defining what is and what is not a religious belief.

Third, there are already laws making harming a person illegal. So if a person is harmed during one of these crack pot things, prosecute the person doing the harm. However, there is no way to ban this without crossing that line where the government gets into defining what is and is not a religious belief.

Conclusion? NY needs to stay the hell out of it, but prosecute the hell out of anyone that does harm to another person. This is nothing but a Democrat run state going after what they feel is a bunch of right wing religious nuts. My main concern is who's next? Who will be the next group of religious people to be defined as nuts and their beliefs and worshiping rituals made illegal? Remember though, I personally hate the idea of "conversion" therapy.
 
Beaudreaux said:
First, I don't believe in or condone "conversion" therapy for what is a natural state, and have a major problem with it being performed.

Second, I have a major problem with the government defining what is and what is not a religious belief.

Third, there are already laws making harming a person illegal. So if a person is harmed during one of these crack pot things, prosecute the person doing the harm. However, there is no way to ban this without crossing that line where the government gets into defining what is and is not a religious belief.

Conclusion? NY needs to stay the hell out of it, but prosecute the hell out of anyone that does harm to another person. This is nothing but a Democrat run state going after what they feel is a bunch of right wing religious nuts. My main concern is who's next? Who will be the next group of religious people to be defined as nuts and their beliefs and worshiping rituals made illegal? Remember though, I personally hate the idea of "conversion" therapy.
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And parents that put their children thru this, well child abuse comes to mind
 
JANFU said:
And parents that put their children thru this, well child abuse comes to mind
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If it can proven that the child is harmed, I agree. But, I am very concerned about the government defining what is and is not a legitimate religious belief. It's been done before though, like the state of NC banning snake handling in religious services. It didn't stop them from doing it, it just made it easier to prosecute the preacher for man slaughter if anyone dies. Knowing the folks in NY, they wouldn't be satisfied until they sent SWAT teams into church basements to arrest folks performing "conversion" therapy, and that worries me, as I said before. There's probably a way to do this, but not step all over the Freedom of Religion.
 
Crovax said:
And when will New York ban AA which has a worse success rate than conversation therapy.
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Alcoholism is harmful, being gay is not.
 
Beaudreaux said:
If it can proven that the child is harmed, I agree. But, I am very concerned about the government defining what is and is not a legitimate religious belief. It's been done before though, like the state of NC banning snake handling in religious services. It didn't stop them from doing it, it just made it easier to prosecute the preacher for man slaughter if anyone dies. Knowing the folks in NY, they wouldn't be satisfied until they sent SWAT teams into church basements to arrest folks performing "conversion" therapy, and that worries me, as I said before. There's probably a way to do this, but not step all over the Freedom of Religion.
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This in my opinion is not about religious beliefs- this is about harming children with pseudo science behind these treatments. There is no way this does not impact teenagers, gay, forced by their parents to attend a voodoo Dr's. ritual for help.
 
Crovax said:
I don't have a bone to pick with AA just pointing out how ineffective all forms of rehab are if the participants don't really want to change. And forcing them into programs does not good, but it's funny how only conversation therapy is targeted for banning.
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It seems like a protective measure for minors. Adults can indulge in any treatments they want. On their own $ as well.
 
Beaudreaux said:
First, I don't believe in or condone "conversion" therapy for what is a natural state, and have a major problem with it being performed.

Second, I have a major problem with the government defining what is and what is not a religious belief.

Third, there are already laws making harming a person illegal. So if a person is harmed during one of these crack pot things, prosecute the person doing the harm. However, there is no way to ban this without crossing that line where the government gets into defining what is and is not a religious belief.

Conclusion? NY needs to stay the hell out of it, but prosecute the hell out of anyone that does harm to another person. This is nothing but a Democrat run state going after what they feel is a bunch of right wing religious nuts. My main concern is who's next? Who will be the next group of religious people to be defined as nuts and their beliefs and worshiping rituals made illegal? Remember though, I personally hate the idea of "conversion" therapy.
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I agree...and then I read that it was about denying public health/Obamacare $$ for it. It's like allowing such policies to cover exorcisms.
 
Beaudreaux said:
First, I don't believe in or condone "conversion" therapy for what is a natural state, and have a major problem with it being performed.

Second, I have a major problem with the government defining what is and what is not a religious belief.

Third, there are already laws making harming a person illegal. So if a person is harmed during one of these crack pot things, prosecute the person doing the harm. However, there is no way to ban this without crossing that line where the government gets into defining what is and is not a religious belief.

Conclusion? NY needs to stay the hell out of it, but prosecute the hell out of anyone that does harm to another person. This is nothing but a Democrat run state going after what they feel is a bunch of right wing religious nuts. My main concern is who's next? Who will be the next group of religious people to be defined as nuts and their beliefs and worshiping rituals made illegal? Remember though, I personally hate the idea of "conversion" therapy.
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This isn't about religion, it's about protecting kids from abusive "therapy."
 
JANFU said:
This in my opinion is not about religious beliefs- this is about harming children with pseudo science behind these treatments. There is no way this does not impact teenagers, gay, forced by their parents to attend a voodoo Dr's. ritual for help.
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I don't disagree completely, I just think this is the proverbial slippery slope.

Now, be assured, that if I ever saw a kid being harmed in any way whatsoever, including the topic of this thread, I would harm the one harming the kid.

I can just see a SWAT team breaking the door down on a church basement, and that would tear this country apart.
 
Your Star said:
This isn't about religion, it's about protecting kids from abusive "therapy."
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I agree in protecting the kids from this ridiculous, unproven, pseudo-psychological bull****. We agree on that. I just don't want us as a country allowing any infringement of anyone's 1st Amendment rights.

I gotta go for a few hours, the Super Bowl is about to start.
 
Crovax said:
I don't have a bone to pick with AA just pointing out how ineffective all forms of rehab are if the participants don't really want to change. And forcing them into programs does not good, but it's funny how only conversation therapy is targeted for banning.
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Maybe AA is ineffective, but AA is usually targeted at adults and is voluntary in many cases.

Cuomo's order is limited to conversion therapy for youth, if you're a grownup then convert to your hearts content
 
Beaudreaux said:
I agree in protecting the kids from this ridiculous, unproven, pseudo-psychological bull****. We agree on that. I just don't want us as a country allowing any infringement of anyone's 1st Amendment rights.

I gotta go for a few hours, the Super Bowl is about to start.
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And this in no way does that.
 
Crovax said:
I don't have a bone to pick with AA just pointing out how ineffective all forms of rehab are if the participants don't really want to change. And forcing them into programs does not good, but it's funny how only conversation therapy is targeted for banning.
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You have to be coming from a point of complete ignorance if you think no gay teenagers ever wanted to change. Of course, i cannot imagine the hysteria you'd fall into if the situation were reversed and say, gay parents tried to force their heterosexual kids into similar 'treatment'
 
Crovax said:
I don't have a bone to pick with AA just pointing out how ineffective all forms of rehab are if the participants don't really want to change. And forcing them into programs does not good, but it's funny how only conversation therapy is targeted for banning.
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Funny enough, AA is a religious program masquerading as therapy...
 
Hatuey said:
Funny enough, AA is a religious program masquerading as therapy...
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AA can be religious, or not, depending on the group...

The funny thing about AA's 'religious' component is the conservative evangelical churches don't care for it much since it allows for any 'higher power.' Celebrate Recovery is the explicitly Christian alternative that is pretty popular in this area.
 
Crovax said:
And when will New York ban AA which has a worse success rate than conversation therapy.
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Wow. Only took until post #2 to get to idiotic deflection. Congratulations on setting the record.
 
Lursa said:
I agree...and then I read that it was about denying public health/Obamacare $$ for it. It's like allowing such policies to cover exorcisms.
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I have a slightly different opinion on that though, medical insurance covers all kinds of weird treatments that aren't scientifically effective. And sent some insurers will cover sex change operations, and increasingly there's a demand for the public to cover this as well, I have no problem with public insurance being used to cover conversion therapy, for adults. I consider conversion therapy to be abuse of a minor, but if a grown ass man or woman wants to convert themselves out of their sexual orientation, Who am I to judge?
 
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