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Jeb Bush Rises to Second Place in New Hampshire Poll

As a registered Maine Republican, I will be voting for Jeb in the primary. If he doesn't get the nomination, I will write him in come the general election. Trump, Ted, Hillary, Bernie - the current clowns in the lead make Jeb look like the Messiah. Barnum and Bailey would be proud. It's so out of control, I would move to another country if my financial situation was better off. Funny thing is that Bush would win if not for his last name (Americans need to get over that, imo). So what if he's a Bush? I would sleep very well at night, knowing Jeb's hand was close to the nuclear weapon button. He's smart, a great guy and is impeccably qualified to lead this nation. I can't say the same about Trump, Hillary or Sanders.

Help us, Jeb - you are indeed our only hope.
 
polgara said:
:agree: Perhaps it's where our planet is located in the solar system currently, but I feel at times like we've moved into some kind of alternate universe, aka... The Twilight Zone! where weird becomes normal :lol:
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I had the same eerie feeling watching the video of Trump last night thumping his chest [figuratively] and outright, unabashed boasting. I expected Rod himself to step into the frame any moment and say "a work of fiction, or an alternate universe is of no consequence in.....the Twilight Zone."

He is very scary
 
Fearandloathing said:
I had the same eerie feeling watching the video of Trump last night thumping his chest [figuratively] and outright, unabashed boasting. I expected Rod himself to step into the frame any moment and say "a work of fiction, or an alternate universe is of no consequence in.....the Twilight Zone."

He is very scary
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I've been extra busy today, and haven't had a chance to check how his rally, or whatever it was, went last evening. Did many show up?
 
Cephus said:
Of course not, the best and the brightest already have better jobs, making more money, without all of the headaches. You only get egotistical idiots running for President.
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You hit the nail on the head in one word

Ego
 
clownboy said:
Actually, no it doesn't. The link I posted for you isn't national polling. It's an average of Iowa polling. Here the average of NH polling:
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - New Hampshire Republican Presidential Primary

What drives his average up is ONE outlier poll in the group. Notice he's still battling for fourth even with the outlier poll figured in.

Look around, there are a number of states represented where they have done primary polling. Bush is sucking dust in all of them. He's no longer a serious candidate at this point.
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We shall see what comes to pass following the NH and SC primaries, but I believe you are correct. Jeb and Christie, are looking less and less likely if the polls are anywhere near being accurate.
 
polgara said:
I've been extra busy today, and haven't had a chance to check how his rally, or whatever it was, went last evening. Did many show up?
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Ironically, he complained about the media coverage never showing the crowds he draws, there were no side shots in the video(s) I saw on the internet. There was a lot of preliminary build up; it reminded me of a multi-marketing scheme where you go to hear some billionaire and twenty one people have to introduce him. It really had a ponzi scheme feel to it.

What amazed me was his outright, shameless boasting. I noted that he is never specific, will begin a phrase "we're all about making America better..." and wanders off into a rant which translates to "me=good" everyone else is crap. He even ran down a list of the "major contributors" to his fund raising, first boasting "Five million" then a minute later "almost five million", and he ends the list with "and one million dollars....from Donald Trump."

Again, I felt I was watching a multi-level marketing presentation....
 
Luke Skywalker said:
As a registered Maine Republican, I will be voting for Jeb in the primary. If he doesn't get the nomination, I will write him in come the general election. Trump, Ted, Hillary, Bernie - the current clowns in the lead make Jeb look like the Messiah. Barnum and Bailey would be proud. It's so out of control, I would move to another country if my financial situation was better off. Funny thing is that Bush would win if not for his last name (Americans need to get over that, imo). So what if he's a Bush? I would sleep very well at night, knowing Jeb's hand was close to the nuclear weapon button. He's smart, a great guy and is impeccably qualified to lead this nation. I can't say the same about Trump, Hillary or Sanders.

Help us, Jeb - you are indeed our only hope.
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No Rubio? I am undecided, Dem or Rep

I was thinking Rubio would be the better alternative, I am just all Bushed out lol

Jeb looks like his heart is not it, very little enthusiasm, just my thoughts

Serious, not into political dynasties, two Bushes and one and half Clintons is enough
 
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yankintx said:
No Rubio? I am undecided, Dem or Rep

I was thinking Rubio would be the better alternative, I am just all Bushed out lol

Serious, not into political dynasties, two Bushes and one and half Clintons is enough
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I just think that Jeb is the only candidate whom will be effective and get things done. I also want a candidate who can defeat the democrats - Trump never will. Last I checked, Ted wasn't doing much better.

Rubio? Maybe next time. He's still just a "boy" and if he were to get the nod and lose, it would be devastating. I see Rubio as the go-to guy come 2020. I like him a lot - he's just a little "green behind the ears" for me at this point.
 
Luke Skywalker said:
I just think that Jeb is the only candidate whom will be effective and get things done. I also want a candidate who can defeat the democrats - Trump never will. Last I checked, Ted wasn't doing much better.

Rubio? Maybe next time. He's still just a "boy" and if he were to get the nod and lose, it would be devastating. I see Rubio as the go-to guy come 2020. I like him a lot - he's just a little "green behind the ears" for me at this point.
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I can understand, the inexperience issue may come up for Rubio. I would not hold his youth against him, JFK was rather young, for the short time he got in the job, he left a legacy. I will let others discuss what that legacy is, don't want to throw the thread off.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Could be good news for those, like myself, expecting and hoping that the Republican race starts to get serious and the circus clowns are relegated to the sidelines while the adults choose a competent, respectful, decent nominee for the Presidency of your great country.
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Jeb's problem (aside from looking weak and emasculated so often in this campaign) is that he's never demonstrated that he learned a single thing from his brother's disastrous tenure as President. Quite the opposite--when asked, he usually indicates he would make the same mistakes, perhaps out of some misplaced sense of family loyalty but who knows. Certainly he'd bring on more or less the same policy team and advisers.

The last name is only a handicap because he wears it so well. But that's a big problem.
 
There is no 2nd place in U.S. presidential elections.

You either win or you go home and play with your car elevator. Ask Mitt Romney how that works.

:lol:
 
clownboy said:
Actually, no it doesn't. The link I posted for you isn't national polling. It's an average of Iowa polling. Here the average of NH polling:
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - New Hampshire Republican Presidential Primary

What drives his average up is ONE outlier poll in the group. Notice he's still battling for fourth even with the outlier poll figured in.

Look around, there are a number of states represented where they have done primary polling. Bush is sucking dust in all of them. He's no longer a serious candidate at this point.
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Keep telling yourself that, because you realize that Bush is the only serious candidate that will take your guy Trump down in the end.
 
Greenbeard said:
Jeb's problem (aside from looking weak and emasculated so often in this campaign) is that he's never demonstrated that he learned a single thing from his brother's disastrous tenure as President. Quite the opposite--when asked, he usually indicates he would make the same mistakes, perhaps out of some misplaced sense of family loyalty but who knows. Certainly he'd bring on more or less the same policy team and advisers.

The last name is only a handicap because he wears it so well. But that's a big problem.
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Spoken like a Hillary acolyte who doesn't realize the irony of his own words.
 
yankintx said:
I can understand, the inexperience issue may come up for Rubio. I would not hold his youth against him, JFK was rather young, for the short time he got in the job, he left a legacy. I will let others discuss what that legacy is, don't want to throw the thread off.
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Rubio is on fragile ground by giving up his Senate seat. If he can't win this year, he's got nothing to fall back on right now. That's more harmful than anything for a future candidate. He will possibly remain a charismatic one-term Senator who also ran for President of the United States.

Kennedy's legacy was mostly wrapped in with the mystique of his media campaign and his assassination.

His true accomplishment was dealing with the Cuban Missile Crisis. Absolutely brilliant management-particularly his desire or his ascent to the notion to split folks up in groups and have them argue points to death *without him there.*

However, with domestic policy, the man had virtually no legacy. He didn't develop much of a relationship with the legislative branch while he was there and when in the White House nothing went anywhere. With Civil Rights he had a couple of moments, but it was mostly his brother the Attorney General who took that on and his predecessor who truly moved the needle. It wouldn't be until Johnson that you had much movement, however flawed, with domestic policy and civil rights.

Nevertheless, it is Kennedy that is remembered, because liberals can't get over Johnson's much more public involvement in Vietnam. They are willing to believe (and told to believe by his former staff) that Kennedy was the miracle pill to one of America's most regrettable decisions, even though he most likely would have continued course like Johnson had.
 
CanadaJohn said:
It's a small, local NH poll but it's the kind of poll I've been touting for some time as being more indicative of what is happening in various States as opposed to what the National polls by large polling companies show.

Jeb Bush Rises To Second Place In New Hampshire Poll

Trump - 35%

Bush - 18%

Kasich - 14%

Could be good news for those, like myself, expecting and hoping that the Republican race starts to get serious and the circus clowns are relegated to the sidelines while the adults choose a competent, respectful, decent nominee for the Presidency of your great country.
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Jeb Bush is not going to be the nominee.
 
Greenbeard said:
Jeb's problem (aside from looking weak and emasculated so often in this campaign) is that he's never demonstrated that he learned a single thing from his brother's disastrous tenure as President. Quite the opposite--when asked, he usually indicates he would make the same mistakes, perhaps out of some misplaced sense of family loyalty but who knows. Certainly he'd bring on more or less the same policy team and advisers.

The last name is only a handicap because he wears it so well. But that's a big problem.
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At one point this was going to be solved by having Robert Zoellick driving foreign policy advisors. However, for a number of reasons, the realist school ended up taking a backseat to a number of the pro-democratic Hawks that were found within his brother's administration. It's certainly regrettable, but not unexpected. Not only does family legacy come up, but especially so does the existing party demands. Rubio and a number of other candidates may not mention W. Bush by name as an inspiration, but you may as well point out it's certainly not a repudiation.

But other than that, Jeb doesn't have much to apologize for to Democrats. The Bush family heritage still comes off relatively nice for liberals wanting to capitalize on the "extremism" or "ineffectiveness" of the Bush name. A great test for an accomplishment is whether your former enemies end up embracing or taking for granted certain reforms you pushed or had matured. From where I'm sitting, Democrats still sit atop the domestic policy agenda the Bush family built or matured from Reagan; back when Democrats had to be brought in kicking and screaming.
 
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Greenbeard said:
Redux of Clinton years vs. redux of Bush years?

Hmmm, that's a tough one! But I think I know which one I'd pick.
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But Clinton had a BJ in the White House and then lied about it, while all Bush did was to start a war that cost tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars and destabilized a large part of the Middle East.
 
Greenbeard said:
Redux of Clinton years vs. redux of Bush years?

Hmmm, that's a tough one! But I think I know which one I'd pick.
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I know which one you'd pick too, that's why your attempts to link Jeb Bush to the Bush II White House are so lame. Hillary Clinton, in case you missed it, was and has been a large, totally ineffectual and disruptive part of the last two Democrat administrations - her husband's and Obama's. There's nothing to indicate that George W. Bush would be any part of a Jeb Bush administration - GW has exited politics, as all President's should. There's every indication that Slick Willy and Obama will be active parts of a Hillary Clinton administration because both men think the Sun revolves around them and neither will ever leave the public stage.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I know which one you'd pick too, that's why your attempts to link Jeb Bush to the Bush II White House are so lame. Hillary Clinton, in case you missed it, was and has been a large, totally ineffectual and disruptive part of the last two Democrat administrations - her husband's and Obama's. There's nothing to indicate that George W. Bush would be any part of a Jeb Bush administration - GW has exited politics, as all President's should. There's every indication that Slick Willy and Obama will be active parts of a Hillary Clinton administration because both men think the Sun revolves around them and neither will ever leave the public stage.
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Jeb, like all of the other Republican candidates except for Rand Paul, wants to double down on the gross error of sending troops to Iraq by sending ground troops to fight ISIS. While you're correct about GWB having exited politics while Bill Clinton has not, Bush IV would continue the biggest error of the Bush II administration.

But, then, so would most of his opponents.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Jeb, like all of the other Republican candidates except for Rand Paul, wants to double down on the gross error of sending troops to Iraq by sending ground troops to fight ISIS. While you're correct about GWB having exited politics while Bill Clinton has not, Bush IV would continue the biggest error of the Bush II administration.

But, then, so would most of his opponents.
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You're getting a little ahead of yourself with Bush IV - George P. isn't ready yet and dad has to finish his two terms first anyway.
 
CanadaJohn said:
You're getting a little ahead of yourself with Bush IV - George P. isn't ready yet and dad has to finish his two terms first anyway.
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I wondered if anyone would notice that. Actually, I've been calling Obama "Bush III", which would make Jeb " Bush IV" if he were elected. It's just a little joke, actually.
 
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