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Police: Suspect Carried Gun To Benghazi Screening In Fear Of Mass Shootings

digitusmedius said:
Yes, really:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate_(2014)

Look at cities of comparable size in parts of the country (the South especially) that are awash in guns.
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lol, you do realize you chose a snobby hipster rich kid like san franscisco type city and tried to compare it to a detroit... right? so on one hand you are trying to infer others are racist because they point out violent crime in inner cities yet you use one of the whitest cities to prove your point?

lmao
 
TurtleDude said:
explain the murder rates in DC and Chicago where not only were there no places to buy handguns, honest people couldn't own such firearms
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Most likely stolen firearms that are brought in and sold to gang members (if they didn't steal them themselves). Firearms are the third most prized stolen items in home burglaries.* That brings up another big gun problem: negligent owners whose weapons are not locked up and are easy for the taking.


* The Top 6 Things a Burglar Wants From Your Home - SafeWise
 
digitusmedius said:
Most likely stolen firearms that are brought in and sold to gang members (if they didn't steal them themselves). Firearms are the third most prized stolen items in home burglaries.* That brings up another big gun problem: negligent owners whose weapons are not locked up and are easy for the taking.


* The Top 6 Things a Burglar Wants From Your Home - SafeWise
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So do you blame rape victims to if someone breaks into their house and rapes them? nice logic there buddy.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
lol, you do realize you chose a snobby hipster rich kid like san franscisco type city and tried to compare it to a detroit... right? so on one hand you are trying to infer others are racist because they point out violent crime in inner cities yet you use one of the whitest cities to prove your point?

lmao
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I didn't pick it. It was picked by one of yours and I showed what a bad choice he made to ridicule. He didn't seem to care about the racial make-up of Seattle when he called referred to the city as "idiots." BTW, S.F. has a higher murder rate than Seattle so it appears that whiteness/yuppiness isn't that big a factor if S.F. is going to be your standard. He also tried to come back with the statistics for all crime hoping we'd ignore the fact that this was just about murder and gun availability.
 
digitusmedius said:
Most likely stolen firearms that are brought in and sold to gang members (if they didn't steal them themselves). Firearms are the third most prized stolen items in home burglaries.* That brings up another big gun problem: negligent owners whose weapons are not locked up and are easy for the taking.


* The Top 6 Things a Burglar Wants From Your Home - SafeWise
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That is why many put their more expensive guns in a safe. As for easy the several dogs I have might have something to say about how easy it would be.
 
digitusmedius said:
I didn't pick it. It was picked by one of yours and I showed what a bad choice he made to ridicule. He didn't seem to care about the racial make-up of Seattle when he called referred to the city as "idiots." BTW, S.F. has a higher murder rate than Seattle so it appears that whiteness/yuppiness isn't that big a factor if S.F. is going to be your standard. He also tried to come back with the statistics for all crime hoping we'd ignore the fact that this was just about murder and gun availability.
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again it was shown to you that most guns used in crimes are obtained illegally, and are used by people with criminal records. you, have no desire to address this very real issue and instead want to insult law abiding citizens and have the government use guns to just get law abiding guns.


Let's be honest for once, shall we?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So do you blame rape victims to if someone breaks into their house and rapes them? nice logic there buddy.
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You guys really need to learn how to do analogies better. You're kneecapping yourselves every time. And if you want to talk "logic," this is also the classic "straw man" fallacy: create a false equivalency and then manufacture a position for the other side so you can knock it down. These two FAILS show just how desperate you are and how poor your argument is. But just to play along, are you arguing that a gun and a woman are equivalent objects and rape and burglary are equivalent crimes?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
again it was shown to you that most guns used in crimes are obtained illegally, and are used by people with criminal records. you, have no desire to address this very real issue and instead want to insult law abiding citizens and have the government use guns to just get law abiding guns.


Let's be honest for once, shall we?
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If that was "shown" to me, I missed it and it's also absurdly false (except maybe that small subset of inner city crime) but maybe that's your idea of "honesty." I already addressed this but didn't put up the proof:

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-a...iles/2012/12/mass-shooting-legally.jpg&w=1484

Care to try another new and increasingly false and desperate tack?
 
digitusmedius said:
You guys really need to learn how to do analogies better. You're kneecapping yourselves every time. And if you want to talk "logic," this is also the classic "straw man" fallacy: create a false equivalency and then manufacture a position for the other side so you can knock it down. These two FAILS show just how desperate you are and how poor your argument is. But just to play along, are you arguing that a gun and a woman are equivalent objects and rape and burglary are equivalent crimes?
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You just said:

firearms are the third most prized stolen items in home burglaries.* That brings up another big gun problem: negligent owners whose weapons are not locked up and are easy for the taking.
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by your logic women who get raped by a home invasion, are "negligent" and are "easy for the taking".


I am arguing no such thing as you claim. I am pointing out your cognitive dissonance here. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Casper said:
That is why many put their more expensive guns in a safe. As for easy the several dogs I have might have something to say about how easy it would be.
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Dogs are definitely a better deterrent than guns. By easy, I meant easy to find and carry away if not locked up but you knew that. And why lock up just the "expensive" ones. Don't the cheap ones kill just as well? A burglar isn't going to bother deciding whether a gun looks like an expensive one or cheap one is he. He's going to take anything he can carry away. He knows he can sell any kind of firearm for a good price.
 
digitusmedius said:
If that was "shown" to me, I missed it and it's also absurdly false (except maybe that small subset of inner city crime) but maybe that's your idea of "honesty." I already addressed this but didn't put up the proof:

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-a...iles/2012/12/mass-shooting-legally.jpg&w=1484

Care to try another new and increasingly false and desperate tack?
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What is the source for your picture?




81% of all homicide defendants have at least one arrest on their record.

66% have two or more arrests.

67% have at least one felony arrest.

56% have two or more felony arrests.

70% have at least one conviction.

54% have at least one felony conviction.

Felony Defendants In Large Urban Counties, 2001 from bjs.gov.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You just said:



by your logic women who get raped by a home invasion, are "negligent" and are "easy for the taking".


I am arguing no such thing as you claim. I am pointing out your cognitive dissonance here. Nothing more, nothing less.

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You sure like to double down on the absurd. Fine with me since it makes you doubly absurd. And we'll put "cognitive dissonance" on a list of terms you don't understand as well as yet another straw man attempt. So you do consider a woman the same as a gun and burglary the same as rape. You're in one of those holes where you should really stop digging.
 
digitusmedius said:
Not rare in any sense of that term. Dozens of these "accidental" discharges occur every week with many wounded and anywhere from several killed, often children. Here's just the most recent tally (only 41 documented in this report but it's often nearer 60-70). And don't think you can claim "liberal" source because each case is documented with a link to the actual news report:
Waistband ninja in Target: 'I was just walking with it, the stupid $#*& went off!' GunFAIL CLXXI
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Out of 120,000,000 gun owners.......

Do you hold every segment of society as accountable for their asshats? You make assumptions affecting millions based on the actions of idiots....you may not be a raging bigot, but you think like one.
 
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digitusmedius said:
You sure like to double down on the absurd. Fine with me since it makes you doubly absurd. And we'll put "cognitive dissonance" on a list of terms you don't understand as well as yet another straw man attempt. So you do consider a woman the same as a gun and burglary the same as rape. You're in one of those holes where you should really stop digging.
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I like your argument style, say some antagonistic things, post general insults, then when you get your rear handed to you, proclaim everyone else is simply wrong, dumb, and make **** up they didn't say.


Nah bro, you made the claim gun owners who have thier property stolen from thier homes are negligent.

I simply used your logic.


What if they steal the keys to the car and run over a gaggle of school kids.? is that a better analogy?


come on, post something intellectually stimulating, please!
 
TurtleDude said:
300 million plus guns. the rate of accidental gun injuries is minuscule. and those accidental injury rates are DECREASING even though the number of guns legally owned is rapidly INCREASING
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Yup

I hate guns, I choose not to own a gun. But, I will defend your right as per the 2nd amendment. I am not well informed on the NRA, except that liberals think its the devil lol. But is it not one of the NRA's functions to educate folks on gun safety? How wide spread is that education?

Education on firearm safety should be forefront, perhaps allot of people just don't know how to be responsible with a gun.

The 2nd amendment is not going away, we as a society need to look at workable, sound solutions, without trampling on individual rights.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
What is the source for your picture?




81% of all homicide defendants have at least one arrest on their record.

66% have two or more arrests.

67% have at least one felony arrest.

56% have two or more felony arrests.

70% have at least one conviction.

54% have at least one felony conviction.

Felony Defendants In Large Urban Counties, 2001 from bjs.gov.
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Is there something preventing you from reading the link? And your list just gets back to what I wrote earlier when I talked about how porous and easily skirted our so-called background check system is in this country--some cases entirely non-existent. For example, there's no requirement for background checks at gun shows or private sales. So it's perfectly "legal" for a felon to purchase a weapon in either one of those ways even if he's committing a felony by having one. So those stats you put up there are meaningless as is everything else you've posted on this subject.
 
digitusmedius said:
Is there something preventing you from reading the link? And your list just gets back to what I wrote earlier when I talked about how porous and easily skirted our so-called background check system is in this country--some cases entirely non-existent. For example, there's no requirement for background checks at gun shows or private sales. So it's perfectly "legal" for a felon to purchase a weapon in either one of those ways even if he's committing a felony by having one. So those stats you put up there are meaningless as is everything else you've posted on this subject.
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Gun show sales guns have been used on less than 1% of crimes. we have discussed this before and you were shown the facts.


It is not legal for a felon to purchase guns:
• 10 years—18 U.S.C. § 922(g)—for possession of a firearm or ammunition by a felon, fugitive, or drug user… And possession means touching a gun, any gun, handgun, rifle or shotgun.

This is rarely enforced.


How, can something be "legal" if the action makes that person committing a felony? derp.
 
yankintx said:
Yup

I hate guns, I choose not to own a gun. But, I will defend your right as per the 2nd amendment. I am not well informed on the NRA, except that liberals think its the devil lol. But is it not one of the NRA's functions to educate folks on gun safety? How wide spread is that education?

Education on firearm safety should be forefront, perhaps allot of people just don't know how to be responsible with a gun.
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The primary function of the NRA is to be the political shill for the gun manufacturing industry. All that other crap about gun safety and responsibility is window-dressing. As we see from the large numbers of examples of just the opposite of firearm safety and responsibility in this country (as illustrated by the subject of this thread and the many other examples of just one week that I supplied) the NRA is largely ignored and irrelevant.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Gun show sales guns have been used on less than 1% of crimes. we have discussed this before and you were shown the facts.


It is not legal for a felon to purchase guns:
• 10 years—18 U.S.C. § 922(g)—for possession of a firearm or ammunition by a felon, fugitive, or drug user… And possession means touching a gun, any gun, handgun, rifle or shotgun.

This is rarely enforced.


How, can something be "legal" if the action makes that person committing a felony? derp.
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Since a private or gun show sale does not require the seller to do a background check on the buyer, every such sale is legal (as long as the buyer is an adult) by definition. I'm sure you must understand this but need to keep pretending you don't in order to keep your weak argument alive.

And again you claim you've showed me something that I have not seen and I suspect is false. For one thing, since there's no federal requirement* for recording a transaction at a private or gun show sale, how can your statistic be created?

* and none for 33 states, either.
 
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digitusmedius said:
Since a private or gun show sale does not require the seller to do a background check on the buyer, every such sale is legal (as long as the buyer is an adult) by definition. I'm sure you must understand this but need to keep pretending you don't in order to keep your weak argument alive.
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Bull****. knowingly selling a gun to a prohibited possessor is a crime. Again less than 1% of crimes with guns were committed with a gun obtained from a gun show.


http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf


this says 2%, it's gone down since, will post when I have it.


So you are worried more about where criminals get there guns 2% of the time and don't really care about the other 98%..... Your agenda is showing.
 
digitusmedius said:
The primary function of the NRA is to be the political shill for the gun manufacturing industry. All that other crap about gun safety and responsibility is window-dressing. As we see from the large numbers of examples of just the opposite of firearm safety and responsibility in this country (as illustrated by the subject of this thread and the many other examples of just one week that I supplied) the NRA is largely ignored and irrelevant.
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I was curious as to how much education on gun safety the NRA is providing. If private organizations such as the NRA are failing in that respect, then perhaps it is time for others to lead the charge. Education will not prevent the bad guys from taking aim, but it may save lives, seems like a allot of people are just very irresponsible with guns.
 
yankintx said:
I was curious as to how much education on gun safety the NRA is providing. If private organizations such as the NRA are failing in that respect, then perhaps it is time for others to lead the charge. Education will not prevent the bad guys from taking aim, but it may save lives, seems like a allot of people are just very irresponsible with guns.
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we used to teach gun safety in school......
 
digitusmedius said:
The primary function of the NRA is to be the political shill for the gun manufacturing industry. All that other crap about gun safety and responsibility is window-dressing. As we see from the large numbers of examples of just the opposite of firearm safety and responsibility in this country (as illustrated by the subject of this thread and the many other examples of just one week that I supplied) the NRA is largely ignored and irrelevant.
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Nonsense, they are the oldest civil rights organization in this country.
 
yankintx said:
I was curious as to how much education on gun safety the NRA is providing. If private organizations such as the NRA are failing in that respect, then perhaps it is time for others to lead the charge. Education will not prevent the bad guys from taking aim, but it may save lives, seems like a allot of people are just very irresponsible with guns.
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There's a particular mindset in people who want to go around packing a gun. And that mindset seems to be resistant to good sense and judgment in dozens of examples of "accidental" shooting accidents in this country every week. No amount of educational programs are going to change that mindset or mentality.
 
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