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Ted Cruz Tells Reporters "I'm a Christian First, American Second"

danarhea said:
How do you feel about abortion?
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Not that it has any relevance to anything that's been said on this thread by me, I feel the same abhorrence for the slaughter of children that any moral person ought to.
 
TobyOne said:
That which is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Thus endeth my elaboration.
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Fair enough. I'll have a much easier time making my point, as there are little to no "conservative" messages in comparison.

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. [Matthew 5:6]

Blessed are the
merciful: for they shall obtain mercy [Matthew 5:7]

But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your
trespasses. [Matthew 6:15]

Love your neighbor as yourself. .[Matthew 22:39]

So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]

If any of you has a son or a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take
hold of it and lift it out? [Matthew 12:11]

And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in
the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But thou, when thou pray, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret…
[Matthew 6:6 & 7]

Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. [Mark 2:27.]

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9]

Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39]

Do not judge, lest you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

I'll be nice and stop with literally hundreds of other examples left, so you have an opportunity to show your side of the argument. I could go on and on.
 
These don't confirm the ideology of the left nor do they rule out the ideology of the right. Thou shalt not kill is exclusive to liberal ideology? Give me a break. Your better argument would be about feeding the hungry or clothing the poor - a better argument but false.

SecularSapience said:
Fair enough. I'll have a much easier time making my point, as there are little to no "conservative" messages in comparison.

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. [Matthew 5:6]

Blessed are the
merciful: for they shall obtain mercy [Matthew 5:7]

But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your
trespasses. [Matthew 6:15]

Love your neighbor as yourself. .[Matthew 22:39]

So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]

If any of you has a son or a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take
hold of it and lift it out? [Matthew 12:11]

And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in
the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But thou, when thou pray, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret…
[Matthew 6:6 & 7]

Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. [Mark 2:27.]

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9]

Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39]

Do not judge, lest you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

I'll be nice and stop with literally hundreds of other examples left, so you have an opportunity to show your side of the argument. I could go on and on.
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Paleocon said:
Not that it has any relevance to anything that's been said on this thread by me, I feel the same abhorrence for the slaughter of children that any moral person ought to.
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Do you favor a law outlawing abortion? If so, how far? Rape and incest, or not including those?
 
TobyOne said:
These don't confirm the ideology of the left nor do they rule out the ideology of the right. Thou shalt not kill is exclusive to liberal ideology? Give me a break. Your better argument would be about feeding the hungry or clothing the poor - a better argument but false.
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I'm not at all saying that Jesus' messages are 100% made up of left ideology. Yes, either side can cherry pick to support whatever point they want to prove. The point I'm making is that there are FAR more liberal-leaning messages than not. I'm arguing generalities. It is a fact that generally, liberals tend to be more tolerant of race, gender, culture, sexual orientation, etc. I mean, look at Republican stances on issues -- if you are saying that you can't see that they're bigoted, intolerant, and racist, then I believe you've been successfully brainwashed. Generally, liberals are FAR more likely to be against killing people than conservatives. Individually, you can argue against that... but on the whole, there's no argument to be had.
 
Paleocon said:
Yes.



See above.
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But you claimed to not want to shove your beliefs down anybody else's throat. So you lied? You should have been honest and said "This is what I believe, and I want to force others to abide by it".
 
danarhea said:
But you claimed to not want to shove your beliefs down anybody else's throat. So you lied?
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I never claimed that. Not that I have any power to make you do or refrain from doing anything, I think it might be a good idea if you double check before you decide to attribute a proposition you made up to me.
 
Paleocon said:
I never claimed that. Not that I have any power to make you do or refrain from doing anything, I think it might be a good idea if you double check before you decide to attribute a proposition you made up to me.
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Again, do you believe there should be a law outlawing abortion?
 
danarhea said:
But you claimed to not want to shove your beliefs down anybody else's throat. So you lied? You should have been honest and said "This is what I believe, and I want to force others to abide by it".
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Everybody in this world wants to shove their beliefs down somebody's throat. Beliefs don't just stem from religion.
 
thenotorious said:
Everybody in this world wants to shove their beliefs down somebody's throat. Beliefs don't just stem from religion.
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So are gays proposing banning heterosexual marriage?
 
winston53660 said:
So are gays proposing banning heterosexual marriage?
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I don't know, there could be some, it's definitely not prevalent. I'm guessing at the rhetoric of that question though, a. ) you are trying to infer that gays are free from bigotry? b.) Because the only way gays could be bigoted is if they proposed banning heterosexual marriage?
 
"The last time we mixed religion and government people were burned at the stake." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll"
 
Paleocon said:
If I had the power to, yes.
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Then you are a complete hypocrite. You say that I am putting words in your mouth when I say you want to force your beliefs on others, yet here you are, stating that forcing your beliefs on others is exactly what you would do if you had the power.
 
danarhea said:
Then you are a complete hypocrite. You say that I am putting words in your mouth when I say you want to force your beliefs on others, yet here you are, stating that forcing your beliefs on others is exactly what you would do if you had the power.
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Again with the false attribution.

The last time I accused you of false attribution was because you claimed that I had denied wanting to force my beliefs on others. I never denied that, and your repeated assertion that I did deny it somewhere do not make it so.
 
Paleocon said:
Again with the false attribution.

The last time I accused you of false attribution was because you claimed that I had denied wanting to force my beliefs on others. I never denied that, and your repeated assertion that I did deny it somewhere do not make it so.
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So are you telling the truth now, or were you telling the truth in post 571, where you said.................

I have never forced anyone to do anything, nor claimed the ability to do so.

You seem to be disconnecting from reality in respect of whatever it is you're upset with me about.
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In post 591, you go even further, in response to my question about outlawing abortion, even in cases of rape or incest....

If I had the power to, yes.
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Now that wasn't my assertion. It was yours. You own it, and you own the post that I am quoting now too, where you claim you never said this. They both can't be right, so which one are you telling the truth on, and which one are you not telling the truth on?
 
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danarhea said:
They both can't be right
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On the contrary, both of my statements were completely true. I leave it to you to figure out how.

Here's a hint, if you would mentally separate discussion of reality from discussion of your hypothetical where I have political power, you should be able to see it easily.
 
Paleocon said:
On the contrary, both of my statements were completely true. I leave it to you to figure out how.

Here's a hint, if you would mentally separate discussion of reality from discussion of your hypothetical where I have political power, you should be able to see it easily.
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Ah, I now see where you are coming from. Using your logic, the Ku Klux Klan can tell everybody that they want bathrooms for whites only, but since they don't have the power, then they can say that they never said what they said. How about that, a little slight of hand, and now the KKK is a group that loves everybody, and who knows? Maybe they can now be honorary members of Black Lives Matter............ On the other hand, I think you are just being dishonest. LOL.
 
danarhea said:
Ah, I now see where you are coming from.
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I very much doubt that. Given your hysterical and inordinate ranting, it seems that you don't grasp that I haven't political power.
 
Paleocon said:
I very much doubt that. Given your hysterical and inordinate ranting, it seems that you don't grasp that I haven't political power.
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Sticks and stones.... but names will never hurt me.

1) FACT: You DID say that you never force others to abide in YOUR belief. Post 571

2) FACT: You DID say that you would vote in favor of outlawing abortion, even in cases of rape and incest. Post 581

3) FACT: You DID say that you would favor a law outlawing abortion. Post 585

4) FACT: You DID say that, if you had the power, you would actively do things to outlaw abortion. Post 591.

5) FACT: You DID say that I made a false attribution of saying that you denied wanting to force your beliefs on others. Post 593

6) FACT: Here is exactly what you posted in post 571:

I have never forced anyone to do anything, nor claimed the ability to do so.

You seem to be disconnecting from reality in respect of whatever it is you're upset with me about.
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7) But here is exactly what you posted in post 591, in response to my asking if you would do things to try and get abortion outlawed, even in cases of rape and incest:

If I had the power to, yes.
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8) You then, in response to my calling you a hypocrite, say the following in post 595

On the contrary, both of my statements were completely true. I leave it to you to figure out how.

Here's a hint, if you would mentally separate discussion of reality from discussion of your hypothetical where I have political power, you should be able to see it easily.
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9) Both your statements can't be completely true. I wasn't asking you if you were forcing your beliefs down the throats of others. I was asking you if you WANTED to force your beliefs down the throats of others. There is a difference here. It's called context, and is the reason why you are being so dishonest in this discussion.

10) In the multiple numbered posts above, you DID say that, if you were able to, you WOULD force your beliefs down the throats of others. THAT is the context.You can deny it all you want to. All anybody with half a brain needs to do is scroll up and see it, in your own words. The only difference between you and the extremists over there is that we have a great legal system that prevents extremists from taking over. You already said that, if you had the power, you WOULD force your beliefs on others. The extremist ayatollahs took over the Middle East. You and your ilk will not be taking over America.

Thanks for playing.
 
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danarhea said:
I wasn't asking you if you were forcing your beliefs down the throats of others. I was asking you if you WANTED to force your beliefs down the throats of others.
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That is in fact, not what you asked.

But if that's what you meant, then the answer is yes, I, like every other person who has ever formed an opinion about politics, want to force my beliefs on others. That's just what politics is.
 
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