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Ted Cruz Tells Reporters "I'm a Christian First, American Second"

Beaudreaux said:
That is your belief. You are welcome to that belief. It is not mine, and I know that as Christ taught, and as a Christian, I am saved by Grace alone. I do not need your approval or that of Ted Cruz or to meet any standards set by you or Ted Cruz or anyone else - Grace alone saved me.
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LaylaWindu said:
You have no power to make that decision but you are free to have that opinion.
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Christ himself said as much. See the very second post in this thread. That you reject his words is your own problem.
 
yankintx said:
Yawn

Thanks for that intelligent response

I got some cherries that need picking

You seem good at it its not even a clinical study

Need a job?

The fact that there are so many millions and millions of 'potheads' who do not show any signs of mental illness whatsoever should give you cause to step back and think about the issue more carefully.

There's a very good reason why science has thus far been unable to prove causality between smoking cannabis and developing psychotic episodes and/or schizophrenia; it probably doesn't exist.
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i would suggest smoking weed could be helpful to more than a few of our forum members
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...king-weed-does-not-make-you-stupid-after-all/

back to ted and his embrace of his religion above country
reminds me of the alabama judge who keeps authorizing unConstitutional goings on, involving the placement of Christian artifacts on federal properties
 
Paleocon said:
Christ himself said as much. See the very second post in this thread. That you reject his words is your own problem.
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You feel that you and Cruz are Apostles? Jesus' disciples? I have never claimed, or was arrogant enough to even think, that I am in parallel with the Apostles.

I, nor anyone else has to delude themselves into thinking that we are as Andrew, Bartholomew, James, the Elder, James, the Younger, John, Judas, Jude, Matthew, Simon Peter, Philip, Simon the Zealot, or Thomas to be considered a Christian in the eyes of Jesus or to be saved.
 
Oh man...another God Club fanatic.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Ted Cruz Tells Reporters "I'm a Christian First, American Second" - Yahoo News


As a christian myself I understand that basic feeling but not as a politician. When in office your decisions there have to be american first. Maybe its out of content, maybe what it sounds like is not what he meant but it certainly sounds like his God and his relationship with his God trumps everything else. That's definitely not how I want any politician in america nor could any like that get my vote.
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That is a bit of a chilling comment, because he is not running for office inside the Christian religion, he is seeking office as president of the United States of America.

It is not like the president swears that he says "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

He does not swear to the best of his ability will preserve, protect and defend the bible/Christianity.

Because he makes it sound like he values the bible over the constitution and that is not what a president/presidential candidate should imply.
 
Paleocon said:
If you're not a Christian first, you're not a Christian period.
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If you are a parent you should but you children first IMHO, because protecting/loving your children ought to be number one for any parent.
 
Cruz had been my favorite of the GOP field, but this is something that bothers me deeply. In his personal life he can be a Christian first, but as President it is his job to be an American first. It is against the Constitution to be a Christian first. He can start his day on his knees, I have no qualms with that, but once his faith begins to cultivate policy decisions, that is where I draw the line.
 
countryboy said:
That's kinda a tenet of Christianity. Is this the first time you've ever heard this? :roll:
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iacardsfan said:
Cruz had been my favorite of the GOP field, but this is something that bothers me deeply. In his personal life he can be a Christian first, but as President it is his job to be an American first. It is against the Constitution to be a Christian first. He can start his day on his knees, I have no qualms with that, but once his faith begins to cultivate policy decisions, that is where I draw the line.
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Now I'm even more proud to be part of the Cruz for President team. As was alluded to in an earlier post: Putting being a Christian first means rendering unto Caesar the things that are Caesars. There's nothing inconsistent about being a Christian first and honoring our nation's laws.
 
I would never willingly vote for anyone who place blind 'faith' ahead of reason, be that faith christian, muslim, hindu or any other sect. I suppose that if I was American I would not often get to vote as it seems that any candidate, for any elected position, has at least to pretend to be in thrall to some primitive belief system.
 
SDET said:
Now I'm even more proud to be part of the Cruz for President team. As was alluded to in an earlier post: Putting being a Christian first means rendering unto Caesar the things that are Caesars. There's nothing inconsistent about being a Christian first and honoring our nation's laws.
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Try telling that to the Christophobes.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Agreed. So is Christianity, or Hinduism, or Judaism, and any other religion when put superior in governance than the law and the people.

Now, a theocracy? Any religion will do. Cruz described a theocratic governing thought process, which is incompatible with our form of a Constitutional Republic.

(BTW, representative Republic is redundant)
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Hyperbolic nonsense.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Are you suggesting that no Christians should be politicians then or that only bad Christians would make good politicians? I most certainly disagree, nor do I agree with your assessment of Christianity and how you are applying it.

I think Christians can most certainly be politicians. I don't think it effects their Christianity what so ever to be an american first and regard the Constitution/people as first while being a politician and making political decisions since that has nothing to do with their personal relationship with god.
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It's a question of identity. I think Cruz is in the right here. (this, for example, is the reason I hate seeing American flags in churches).
 
Beaudreaux said:
You feel that you and Cruz are Apostles? Jesus' disciples? I have never claimed, or was arrogant enough to even think, that I am in parallel with the Apostles.

I, nor anyone else has to delude themselves into thinking that we are as Andrew, Bartholomew, James, the Elder, James, the Younger, John, Judas, Jude, Matthew, Simon Peter, Philip, Simon the Zealot, or Thomas to be considered a Christian in the eyes of Jesus or to be saved.
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Just as it is not my fault that you do not accept the words of Christ, so too it is not my fault that you imagine people to have said things they didn't.
 
Paleocon said:
Just as it is not my fault that you do not accept the words of Christ, so too it is not my fault that you imagine people to have said things they didn't.
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We've had this conversation before - it isn't His words that I do not accept, it is your interpretation of them that I do not accept.
 
Beaudreaux said:
We've had this conversation before - it isn't His words that I do not accept, it is your interpretation of them that I do not accept.
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You can rationalize it however you want.
 
LaylaWindu said:
You didn't really answer. Also you are free to feel as you do but again there's nothing in my religion that says if I was president I must make my decisions based on my religion or God.
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Then, all other things considered, I would vote for you.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Ted Cruz Tells Reporters "I'm a Christian First, American Second" - Yahoo News


As a christian myself I understand that basic feeling but not as a politician. When in office your decisions there have to be american first. Maybe its out of content, maybe what it sounds like is not what he meant but it certainly sounds like his God and his relationship with his God trumps everything else. That's definitely not how I want any politician in america nor could any like that get my vote.
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You really don't understand. If you did you would understand.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Ted Cruz Tells Reporters "I'm a Christian First, American Second" - Yahoo News


As a christian myself I understand that basic feeling but not as a politician. When in office your decisions there have to be american first. Maybe its out of content, maybe what it sounds like is not what he meant but it certainly sounds like his God and his relationship with his God trumps everything else. That's definitely not how I want any politician in america nor could any like that get my vote.
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I think he puts America 3rd. He is a natural born Canadian as well as Christian.
 
Moot said:
I think he puts Ted first.
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Check the guys palms, they are covered in Texas oil, and its not from working the fields

The guy has one priority, his political career
 
yankintx said:
Check the guys palms, they are covered in Texas oil, and its not from working the fields

The guy has one priority, his political career
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There's a lot of greasy palms in congress ...but that doesn't explain why his peers hate his guts.
 
Cephus said:
Anyone who places anything before their duties as President of the United States doesn't deserve the position.
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the constitution says otherwise.
 
ludin said:
the constitution says otherwise.
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Not explicitly; however, the fact that a specific ban on religious tests for public office are in the document shows me that the framers intended that "Christian first, president second" was not in their plans.
 
cpwill said:
It's a question of identity. I think Cruz is in the right here. (this, for example, is the reason I hate seeing American flags in churches).
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Better to have the American flag in a church than a religious flag in the White House.
 
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