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Oregon standoff leader attends meeting, hears chants of 'go'

You clearly know very little about this country then.

Clearly I know NOTHING about the United States compared to your vast knowledge.

I just spilled my blood on some foreign land for her.

That was NOTHING compared to your intellectual prowess.

I stand humbled indeed.
 
If they were brown they would've been killed already.

And this post won't win any awards for being the most enlightening or intelligent post of the thread.
 
Clearly I know NOTHING about the United States compared to your vast knowledge.

I just spilled my blood on some foreign land for her.

That was NOTHING compared to your intellectual prowess.

I stand humbled indeed.
Oh, don't pull the "I bled" card.
That doesn't automatically mean you know about something.

Clearly, these white men are held to a different standard. It's simply a fact of this country that blacks are killed 3 times more than whites.

If they were Muslim, they'd send the army.
 
Clearly I know NOTHING about the United States compared to your vast knowledge.

I just spilled my blood on some foreign land for her.

That was NOTHING compared to your intellectual prowess.

I stand humbled indeed.

Just a point of order. Bleeding doesn't = knowing stuff.

There are many people who bleed in foreign lands who knew nothing. In fact, the military kinda likes the un- or under-educated to do the bleeding.
 
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I'd love to see the actuals. And considering the news agencies are camping people out, I suspect there is an ample return on their investment.

Either way...

Either way it is costing money for the community. I agree probably not as much as 75 grand a day. But even if the residents were becoming rich over this it doesnt make it ok to take over a wildlife refuge in a adjacent State by force and think that its yours now. Yes I know it was unoccupied at the moment, but the Bundy's and their anti-government buddies have made it clear that they came armed and ready to fight if the Feds came to remove them from federal land.

IMO there isnt much difference between these occupiers and the ones that were on Wall Street. Both groups intend(ed) to take over the government and replace it with something not American. They are promoting armed insurrection a rebellious uprising that aims or aimed at toppling the US government. To me that warrants military intervention in both cases. Now that doesnt mean slaughter them, it means come in surround them, and wait for their surrender. Then arrest them and put them on trial for the obvious attempt at armed insurrection.

“These men came to Harney County claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers, when in reality these men had alternative motives to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States,” Sheriff David Ward
 
Oh, don't pull the "I bled" card.
That doesn't automatically mean you know about something.

Clearly, these white men are held to a different standard. It's simply a fact of this country that blacks are killed 3 times more than whites.

If they were Muslim, they'd send the army.

The location is meaningful. The anti-American militia group left town drove 30 odd miles to a deserted complex of buildings. They confronted no one in the process.

Add to that. The FBI doesnt want to give the militia group what they want: are shoot out. The militia group wants the FBI to fire at them so that they can scream "WACO! RUBY RIDGE!" so that all the wannabe militia folk come and start their revolution for them. But the FBI didnt fall for it. Nor did the Sheriff.

This will be resolved before the snow melts. ANd there will be arrests.

Compare that to a solo cop with apparently bad training and some bias towards shooting suspects. It isnt the samething.

As far as if they were Muslims. Would peaceful Muslims take federal property while armed? No probably not. Most likely it would be ISIS supporters and the military would be warranted. But then I think the military should have already surrounded the Bundy's and their idiotic followers. It would give a strong message to them and the others wanting to join them. ANd most likely prevent future events like this one.
 
Either way it is costing money for the community. I agree probably not as much as 75 grand a day. But even if the residents were becoming rich over this it doesnt make it ok to take over a wildlife refuge in a adjacent State by force and think that its yours now. Yes I know it was unoccupied at the moment, but the Bundy's and their anti-government buddies have made it clear that they came armed and ready to fight if the Feds came to remove them from federal land.

IMO there isnt much difference between these occupiers and the ones that were on Wall Street. Both groups intend(ed) to take over the government and replace it with something not American. They are promoting armed insurrection a rebellious uprising that aims or aimed at toppling the US government. To me that warrants military intervention in both cases. Now that doesnt mean slaughter them, it means come in surround them, and wait for their surrender. Then arrest them and put them on trial for the obvious attempt at armed insurrection.

“These men came to Harney County claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers, when in reality these men had alternative motives to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States,” Sheriff David Ward
Why make that illogical leap? No one said its 'ok'.

Look...people that are on the ground have made the determination that the best decision is to let this play out peacefully and not create even the potential for a violent conflict. Why that is so hard for others to understand is beyond me. Some will say they dont want blood and they dont want dead bodies...but they are full of ****. They want it...they just know how grotesque they would look actually speaking the words. This is an act of civil disobedience occurring in a shack out in the middle of nowhere. Its not worth killing for it. Its not worth dying for it.
 
I certainly don't want officers busting in there with guns blazing when there is currently no danger to anyone. But I sure as hell wouldn't let them walk around freely or receive freaking supplies. WTF?!
 
Why make that illogical leap? No one said its 'ok'.

Look...people that are on the ground have made the determination that the best decision is to let this play out peacefully and not create even the potential for a violent conflict. Why that is so hard for others to understand is beyond me. Some will say they dont want blood and they dont want dead bodies...but they are full of ****. They want it...they just know how grotesque they would look actually speaking the words. This is an act of civil disobedience occurring in a shack out in the middle of nowhere. Its not worth killing for it. Its not worth dying for it.

It still isnt just a shack. It is actually a complex of buildings. But even if it were just a park with no buildings, that doesnt change anything.

What I see is that for some reason you want to be able to point your finger at people for wanting these anti-Americans to be shot for the scum that they are. I admit that I fantasize about those guys being strung up on a tree. But that isnt actually what I really want to happen. In reality a peaceful surrender would be best. But no one should coddle them. When they surrender (and they will since they are gutless cowards) they should be thrown on the ground and handcuffed. Then whisked off to a federal holding facility to wait for their day in court. Perhaps send them to Gitmo just for fun, or I mean to send a message to their followers.

Or just leave them there on the refuge and wait for more suckers to show up, and collect more charges lol.
 
It still isnt just a shack. It is actually a complex of buildings. But even if it were just a park with no buildings, that doesnt change anything.

What I see is that for some reason you want to be able to point your finger at people for wanting these anti-Americans to be shot for the scum that they are. I admit that I fantasize about those guys being strung up on a tree. But that isnt actually what I really want to happen. In reality a peaceful surrender would be best. But no one should coddle them. When they surrender (and they will since they are gutless cowards) they should be thrown on the ground and handcuffed. Then whisked off to a federal holding facility to wait for their day in court. Perhaps send them to Gitmo just for fun, or I mean to send a message to their followers.

Or just leave them there on the refuge and wait for more suckers to show up, and collect more charges lol.
Its a shack in the middle of a bird refuge in the middle of winter that most couldnt find on a map. Is that worth dying over? Killing over?

And lets be clear...I'm not pointing the finger at you. You are declaring yourself and what you are saying about yourself speaks far more clearly of you than anything I could say.
 
Its a shack in the middle of a bird refuge in the middle of winter that most couldnt find on a map. Is that worth dying over? Killing over?

And lets be clear...I'm not pointing the finger at you. You are declaring yourself and what you are saying about yourself speaks far more clearly of you than anything I could say.

My house isnt the best and it is out in the middle of nowhere for many people standards, but I would kill people who thought they could just move in and take over.

Of course the building complex is not privately owned so the laws are a bit different. But non the less important. I am sure that the wildlife refuge means nothing to you. And you probably didnt even know that it existed before the militia took it for themselves. Do you feel that way about every spot out in the middle of nowhere?

Ok so apparently you think elss of me because I think that all anti-Americans should be strung up from the nearest tree. Did you know that I dont give one **** what you think of me?

And did you miss the part where I agreed that the FBI's tactics for now are good?
 
My house isnt the best and it is out in the middle of nowhere for many people standards, but I would kill people who thought they could just move in and take over.Of course the building complex is not privately owned so the laws are a bit different. But non the less important. I am sure that the wildlife refuge means nothing to you. And you probably didnt even know that it existed before the militia took it for themselves. Do you feel that way about every spot out in the middle of nowhere?Ok so apparently you think elss of me because I think that all anti-Americans should be strung up from the nearest tree. Did you know that I dont give one **** what you think of me? And did you miss the part where I agreed that the FBI's tactics for now are good?
Thats such a sad argument. It gets more embarrassing every time it gets repeated. Occupation of government buildings is considered a time honored act of civil disobedience. Be honest....the only reason you are spun up about it is with regard to WHO is occupying the building...not THAT they are occupying the building. And no...I get that you agree with the FBI tactics for now. In fact...thats the rather comical thing about all of this. SEVERAL people on this site have gotten all frothy at the prospect of a frozen marsh full of dead militiamen (and a few fed cops thrown in the mix...but **** it...as long as they get their redneck blood), and when you point out how ridiculous it is to be so spun up about a shack in the middle of a frozen bird refuge, they start bleating on about how somehow that is siding with or defending those occupying said shack (and of course they cant offer ANY indicator of defense), make the ridiculous claim that if they were minorities they would be dead already, draw foolish comparisons to a federal building and their homes, and THEN...amazingly...they admit their position is the same as mine and has been all along. Go figure.
 
Thats such a sad argument. It gets more embarrassing every time it gets repeated. Occupation of government buildings is considered a time honored act of civil disobedience. Be honest....the only reason you are spun up about it is with regard to WHO is occupying the building...not THAT they are occupying the building. And no...I get that you agree with the FBI tactics for now. In fact...thats the rather comical thing about all of this. SEVERAL people on this site have gotten all frothy at the prospect of a frozen marsh full of dead militiamen (and a few fed cops thrown in the mix...but **** it...as long as they get their redneck blood), and when you point out how ridiculous it is to be so spun up about a shack in the middle of a frozen bird refuge, they start bleating on about how somehow that is siding with or defending those occupying said shack (and of course they cant offer ANY indicator of defense), make the ridiculous claim that if they were minorities they would be dead already, draw foolish comparisons to a federal building and their homes, and THEN...amazingly...they admit their position is the same as mine and has been all along. Go figure.

You seem to be confusing me with someone else.

The only thing that concerns is that they are anti Americans. It doesnt matter if they be rednecks or from Oakland. It doesnt matter if they are on Wall Street protesting or in the middle of nowhere protesting. What matters is that they are a threat to this country and should be dealt with accordingly. You can call it civil disobedience all that you want but I know if I went and did they same thing my ass would be in prison by now. The only reason that these thugs are not in prison is because of Waco and Ruby Ridge and that they are armed militants that already said that they wanted to martyr themselves to start a revolution. Typical occupiers. Hell those idiots with the failed wall street protests are probably jealous as hell. And if it goes on much longer they are probably taking notes and will be taking their own buildings.

But sure you have the moral high ground here right? Its just a group of guys involved in some civil disobedience, move along nothing to see here. Just ignore the guns and the threats of violence and the crimes that they are committing. Oh and dont forget to ignore the anti American rhetoric that they spout, while playing with their dildos.
 
You seem to be confusing me with someone else.

The only thing that concerns is that they are anti Americans. It doesnt matter if they be rednecks or from Oakland. It doesnt matter if they are on Wall Street protesting or in the middle of nowhere protesting. What matters is that they are a threat to this country and should be dealt with accordingly. You can call it civil disobedience all that you want but I know if I went and did they same thing my ass would be in prison by now. The only reason that these thugs are not in prison is because of Waco and Ruby Ridge and that they are armed militants that already said that they wanted to martyr themselves to start a revolution. Typical occupiers. Hell those idiots with the failed wall street protests are probably jealous as hell. And if it goes on much longer they are probably taking notes and will be taking their own buildings.

But sure you have the moral high ground here right? Its just a group of guys involved in some civil disobedience, move along nothing to see here. Just ignore the guns and the threats of violence and the crimes that they are committing. Oh and dont forget to ignore the anti American rhetoric that they spout, while playing with their dildos.
I dont have any ground at all. I'm not claiming any. If they have broken laws they should answer for them. I just think its idiotic for people to be excited for their execution. You can talk **** about the militia all you want, but at the end of the day...if you want to see them...how did you put it..."being strung up on a tree"...you fail miserably by comparison.
 
I can't recall anything like this before.
No matter your spin on the situation this is entirely different than any other. Some have suggested just wait for them to come out and arrest them but here they walk into a community building and no one arrests them and instead the judge and sheriff are on their knees begging. The residents are chanting for them to go but the group returns to the compound fully in charge.

Basically Bundy makes all the calls in Burns, Oregon now. The residents and law enforcement can just hope they will go home someday. Perhaps the county should offer them money to leave the compound.


Oregon standoff leader attends meeting, hears chants of 'go' | Fox News

Did you ever hear of Waco, Texas?

You should Google that and do a little reading.
 
I dont have any ground at all. I'm not claiming any. If they have broken laws they should answer for them. I just think its idiotic for people to be excited for their execution. You can talk **** about the militia all you want, but at the end of the day...if you want to see them...how did you put it..."being strung up on a tree"...you fail miserably by comparison.

Yes of course it would be wrong to string people up for being anti American scum. ANd I never actually said that is what should be done. Its kind of like I think that child rapists should be ganged raped until they die. That doesnt mean at all that I want that done legally.

In this case though we have a group of armed citizens that are holding a piece of federal property while calling for the beginning of a revolutionary war. These people are not your average Americans in the west. Ammon Bundy says that what he is doing is divine. That god told him to do it. So he got together his kool-aid buddies to do it. I dont see why this doesnt seem to bother you. You act as if the place that they took over doesnt matter, its in the middle of nowhere just let them have it?
 
Yes of course it would be wrong to string people up for being anti American scum. ANd I never actually said that is what should be done. Its kind of like I think that child rapists should be ganged raped until they die. That doesnt mean at all that I want that done legally.

In this case though we have a group of armed citizens that are holding a piece of federal property while calling for the beginning of a revolutionary war. These people are not your average Americans in the west. Ammon Bundy says that what he is doing is divine. That god told him to do it. So he got together his kool-aid buddies to do it. I dont see why this doesnt seem to bother you. You act as if the place that they took over doesnt matter, its in the middle of nowhere just let them have it?

No...none of you ever SAY that's what should be done...you just express your fantasies about it being done.

As for the rest of it....I don't much give a **** about them or your thoughts about them. Right now...you have a bunch of people holed up in a shack on a frozen bird refuge. That's all. And we both agree the Feds are handling it best by pretty much ignoring them. The rest of it for you...that's just your spank material.
 
No...none of you ever SAY that's what should be done...you just express your fantasies about it being done.
None of you? Do you think I belong to some group?

As for the rest of it....I don't much give a **** about them or your thoughts about them. Right now...you have a bunch of people holed up in a shack on a frozen bird refuge. That's all. And we both agree the Feds are handling it best by pretty much ignoring them. The rest of it for you...that's just your spank material.

Yes we agree on what the feds are doing..right now. Though they should block the damn road.

And I stand by my assertion that the idiots are scum and should be hung from the nearest tree. Its kind of poetic giving that they where cowboy hats and all. And jeez you take such comments way too seriously.
 
None of you? Do you think I belong to some group?



Yes we agree on what the feds are doing..right now. Though they should block the damn road.

And I stand by my assertion that the idiots are scum and should be hung from the nearest tree. Its kind of poetic giving that they where cowboy hats and all. And jeez you take such comments way too seriously.
I only assign them the meaning they deserve.
 
No...none of you ever SAY that's what should be done...you just express your fantasies about it being done.

As for the rest of it....I don't much give a **** about them or your thoughts about them. Right now...you have a bunch of people holed up in a shack on a frozen bird refuge. That's all. And we both agree the Feds are handling it best by pretty much ignoring them. The rest of it for you...that's just your spank material.

And you continue to attempt to put words in people's mouths, then condemn them for what you made up. :roll:
 
And you continue to attempt to put words in people's mouths, then condemn them for what you made up. :roll:

"being strung up on a tree"

His words...not mine.
 
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